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  1. Anyone ever use something like this on their uni? The owner of the
    local bike shop I frequent gave me a similar pair, and they're awesome
    on the street at night. Just watch out for cars swerving when the
    drivers rubber neck. 😉

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  2. uhh, i would, but ah, i don't like the beartrap pedals too much...

    i have used one of those flashing valvecaps, though...

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  3. Those could be useful if you lived in town and rode at night. But they
    may not be worth having if you live out in the sticks and the nearest
    house is a quarter of a mile away. 🙂

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  4. No but I have had a red white and blue flashing 'tirefly'
    (http://www.tireflys.com) as my valve cap from time to time- Those look
    really cool. A Guy I saw the other night coulda used them, since the
    only reflectors on his bike were on the pedals, and he was riding on
    Route 6 (a highway) on Cape Cod at about 2 in the morning, somewhere
    between exits 1 and 2!

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  5. Trap pedals are not as bad as people say they are. If your not grinding
    on them, there not bad.

    I've never seen those pefals. They look cool. But how do they not use
    batteries? And how do they turn on? The tireflys are neat, but you
    literally have to hop up and down just to turn them on.

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  6. They probably have a little generator in the pedal (look at the picture
    and you can almost tell). It probably turns on whenever you ride and it
    doesn't matter if it turns on in daytime because LEDs last forever.

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  7. I put a pair on my uni, and took them off after about month, the
    bearings are [censored], and they soon developed HUGE amounts of play. There
    is a rather large bulge on the inside of the pedal where all the
    generator / dynamo gubbins site and make them a little uncormfortable.
    but they do look cool at night

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  8. I have some on my Coker and they’re doing fine. They do indeed have a
    small generator in each pedal and start flashing when you ride, no need
    for batteries.

    The generator does get in the way a bit when you mount but is OK when
    your riding, they are plastic so you can guess what the grip is like and
    as Andy has found out they’re not strong, but they do look nifty in the
    dark. They are no good, in my opinion, for anything other than normal
    riding – trials, Muni, freestyle, hockey etc. are out of the question -
    use them for road riding where you want to be seen it's what they're
    designed for.

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  9. I saw some in Halfords today. The spindles turned in quite a notchy
    way. Either cheap bearings, or the slightly uneven resistance of the
    little dynamo that's built into them.

    On a "grown up" point, these are not designed as an alternative to
    proper lighting. Indeed, strictly speaking, they are not legal for road
    use in the UK, even if you have proper lights.

    As a very bike friendly motorist (I have ridden bicycles, tandems,
    unicycles, motorbikes and scooters on the road for many years) I have
    sometimes been momentarily disorientated by flashing LEDs on bikes.
    They can make it difficult for you to judge distance and speed, compared
    to a fixed light.

    On a less grown up point, they look quite fun and I could imagine
    fitting some to my 20 which is sometimes used in dusk and darkness for
    performances with the Morris.

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  10. Sounds like they would be fun on my big wheel (45", not the Coker) for
    the occasional nighttime parades I ride in. Or for my Excessory Cycle,
    if I ever restore the pieces and put it back together...

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  11. Mikefule said:

    *As a very bike friendly motorist (I have ridden bicycles, tandems,
    unicycles, motorbikes and scooters on the road for many years) I have
    sometimes been momentarily disorientated by flashing LEDs on bikes.
    They can make it difficult for you to judge distance and speed,
    compared to a fixed light.*

    It's funny you should say that Mike. My opinion is the exact opposite -
    I always run my rear bike lights in flashing mode (even though it's
    strictly illegal, but I've never been pulled over for it) because when
    I'm driving a car I find a flashing bike light MUCH more visible than a
    steady one. Also, if I see a flashing red light I know it's a bicycle
    (so slow-moving) rather than a motorbike, or a car with one dead lamp.

    Rob

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  12. rob.northcott said:

    *My opinion is the exact opposite - I always run my rear bike lights
    in flashing mode (even though it's strictly illegal, but I've never
    been pulled over for it) because when I'm driving a car I find a
    flashing bike light MUCH more visible than a steady one. *

    I think the general consensus is that a flashing light catches the eye
    easier, but is much harder to localise than a steady light. People can
    see that there is a cyclist out there somewhere, but can't easily tell
    how far away he actually is.

    When out on the bike after dark I just use the steady mode, in
    conjunction with the European Reflective Sticky Tape Mountain (which is
    blummin' great stuff, by the way).

    Technically I think you are legally only allowed a maximum of 2.5W of
    light at the front of a bike; I feel that lights on cycles is a matter
    of common sense rather than the letter of the law.

    Phil

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  13. Which reminds me of a mini-rant... why do rear LED lights need to have
    so many different flashing combinations, most of which are utterly
    useless? The light I have has five different modes, with one button to
    cycle between them... so as I only use steady mode, it takes two presses
    to turn it on and four to turn it off.

    One of them does a night-rider style thingy with only one LED lit at
    once, out of six... what good is that?

    Grrrrrr.

    Phil

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  14. They have several modes because it can be done cheaply, and iy is then
    presented as a "feature" to help the uninformed purchaser choose that
    product from among several similar ones.

    On a much smaller scale, it's similar to poor quality front and rear
    suspension, and 21 badly chosen gears on a cheap mountain bike. "Look,
    it's got 21 gears and front and rear suspension - and it's only £99!"
    Person buys it, and never uses it enough to realise that it's no good.
    Worse still, they don't enjoy using it ebcause it's so poor, and they
    give up on cycling as a bad job.

    I agree that flashing lights are more immediately visible. they catch
    the eye. They also identify you as a cyclist. The problem comes with
    judging distance and speed.

    I remember once in my car driving along an unlit main road, and being
    totally flummoxed by the reflectors on the pedals of a bicycle ahead of
    me. It had no other lights or reflectors (on a dark 60 mph road!) and
    all I could see was two orange things oscillating and occasionally
    flashing. For a second or two, I had no ide whether the bike was 50
    metres away or 200 metres away, or which way it was travelling.

    Most motorists are not very bicycle-friendly, or even bicycle-aware.
    Anyhting that makes it easier for the motorist thas to be good. That's
    clear bright fixed lights at an appropriate height on the bicycle.
    These may be supplemented with reflectors, flashing LEDs etc., but not
    replaced by these things.

    For nearly 25 years, I have read several motor accident reports a day.
    Trust me on this - most motorists believe that when the car in front
    stopped, it caused them to run into the back of it.

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  15. phil said:

    When out on the bike after dark I just use the steady mode, in
    conjunction with the European Reflective Sticky Tape Mountain (which is
    blummin' great stuff, by the way).

    I'm with you and Mike on this. I particularly dislike being stuck
    behind a fast flashing light when I'm cycling.

    I /do/ use a strobing light (Knight Rider style), but that is in
    addition to 3 steady lights.

    Quoted message said:

    Technically I think you are legally only allowed a maximum of 2.5W of
    light at the front of a bike;

    That's nearly right, but not quite. The lighting regs include 2 sets of
    requirements for cycle lights - one set for mandatory lights, another
    set for optional lights.

    You *must* have lights that meet the mandatory lighting requirements.
    One of these requirements is that the lights must meet British
    Standards, or some equivalent foreign standard (my dynamo lights meet
    German standards, for example, and are thus acceptable as my mandatory
    lights). I don't know about current British Standards (they were
    updated a few years ago), but AIUI the old standard used to specify a
    maximum power of 2.4W. I think this was to maximise battery life, the
    standards having been written at a time when battery technology was not
    what it is today.

    Any additional lights only have to meet the less stringent requirements
    for optional lights. So it is legal for me to use my 10 & 20W
    Lumicycles on the public highway, as long as I also use my 2.4W dynamo
    light (and as long as I don't dazzle anyone).

    Quoted message said:

    I feel that lights on cycles is a matter
    of common sense rather than the letter of the law.

    Can you imagine the field day the press would have if the police
    insisted on the letter of the law being followed? "Cyclist prosecuted
    for being too well lit".

    There /was/ a story a couple of years ago about a motorist who killed
    two cyclists and blamed it on one of the cyclists' lights. A group of
    cyclists (well, POBs really) was riding home from the pub. On the
    pavement (US - sidewalk). On the wrong side of the road. One of them
    was displaying what, from the descriptions I read at the time, were
    probably Smart or CatEye 2.5W + 10W twin lights. A speeding motorist
    came round a bend, was dazzled and confused by the oncoming lights and
    drove onto the pavement, into the cyclists.

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  16. Danny Colyer said:

    *
    There /was/ a story a couple of years ago about a motorist who killed
    two cyclists and blamed it on one of the cyclists' lights. .... A
    speeding motorist came round a bend, was dazzled and confused by the
    oncoming lights and drove onto the pavement, into the cyclists.
    *

    My point entirely, and I write as someone who has investigated too many
    motor accidents over too many years, and spoken to too many drivers who
    accept no responsibility for their own actions.

    A genuine example of an accident description, which is by no means
    atypical:
    "The car in front of the car in front of me stopped, causing the car in
    front of me to brake, causing me to run into the back of it."

    Other common expreessions: "The other car came from nowhere" (i.e. I
    didn't see it) or, "He must have been speeding..." (i.e. I didn't see
    him).

    The most annoying example of all: a motorcyclist riding along Douglas
    sea front on the Isle of Man in TT week. His story: I was overtaking
    slow moving traffic when another motorcyclist pulled out from a parked
    position on my left, and facing towards me. At the moment of collision,
    he was still on my side of the road."

    What our policyholder didn't mention was that he had been found guilty
    of dangerous driving (riding) on the day after the accident (a week or
    more before he filled in the form) after 6 witnesses had given evidence
    that he had been doing a high speed power wheelie whislt overtaking on
    the wrong side of the road.

    So, boys and girls, if you want to ride your unicycle on the public
    highway, assume that all motorists are blind, stupid or actively hostile
    until proven otherwise.

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  17. Mikefule said:

    *What our policyholder didn't mention was that he had been found
    guilty of dangerous driving (riding) on the day after the accident (a
    week or more before he filled in the form) after 6 witnesses had given
    evidence that he had been doing a high speed power wheelie whislt
    overtaking on the wrong side of the road.*

    Are you required to remain impartial in cases like this, or are you
    allow to ooze sarcasm and mockery from every pore?

    Phil

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  18. OK, so I seem to be outnumbered here - but I cycle every day all through
    the year and have only been hit twice by cars ever, both in daylight,
    and neither because they couldn't see me. My winter lights, front and
    rear, are chosen for practicality and safety rather than legality, and
    are all strictly illegal on the road in this country. I have two LED
    rear lights (plus a load of relective stuff on shorts, panniers bar
    tape, etc), which are much brighter and more visible than any
    BS-approved filament lamps (there's a reason it's called BS), and I tend
    to leave one on flashing and the backup on steady (I've got two so if
    one konks out I'll have time to notice without having no lights). In
    the summer I use a bright LED front light, which is good for being seen
    in mist and rain but no good for seeing in the dark. In the winter I
    use two powerful lamps, one 5W aimed down and left at the edge of the
    road and a 15W flood pointed straight ahead. When anything comes the
    other way I turn off the 15W (or more usually cover it with my hand), so
    as not to dazzle people - but I find many motorists don't bother dipping
    their lights for a cyclist. These lights are intended for off-roading
    and are not really legal for road use, but without them I would have to
    ride slowly home from work (I don't do slowly) or risk hitting sheep or
    black cows. I often pass the police and they have no problem with my
    lights.

    I still reckon when I'm a motorist that the flashing bike lights are way
    safer.

    Anyway, enough of the ranting - getting a bit off topic.

    Rob

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  19. rob.northcott said:

    *OK, so I seem to be outnumbered here - but I cycle every day all
    through the year and have only been hit twice by cars ever, both in
    daylight*

    I'm intrigued by the assumptions implied by the word "only".

    On a bicycle or a unicycle, you present an obstacle between 5 feet and
    six feet tall, and about 2 foot 6 inches wide, clearly visible, and
    moving in a predictable way at a steady speed - and with the ability to
    take evasive action in some circumstances.

    How many times would it be reasonable to expect such an obstacle to be
    hit by cars when drivers have to pass a statutory driving test before
    being allowed to drive?

    The assumption implied by the word "only" is that twice is reasonable
    and acceptable.:eek:

    Phil wrote: <<Are you required to remain impartial in cases like this,
    or are you allow to ooze sarcasm and mockery from every pore? >>

    A certain amount of sarcasm is not unknown.😉 Someimes being very
    direct works better. My letter to him referred to "a fellow
    motorcyclist" whose "legitimate claim for compensation for serious
    injuries caused by your dangerous driding has been unnecessarily delayed
    as a result of you withholding the full facts from us." (I paraphrase -
    but I like to think that reading the letter spoiled his breakfast.)😄

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  20. I'm not taking the bait any more - didn't come here for an argument :/

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