Nike Spiridon

"Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well Fred, here's where I cum clean and apologize to the ol' thebillrodgers for being such a
[censored]. I just found out I had half a banana still wedged up my ass, but my BF Donovan was able
to pull it out with his tongue for me, and now I'm fine. I owe thebillrodgers a huge apology for
harassing him when I knew he was right all along. It was just good fun while my Donny was away for
the weekend on a business trip to Provincetown, Mass. I love you Bill, you are my idol, my hero,
and the very reason I run.

Your pal, Doug Freese

Sorry, the real Doug Freese knows my name and doesn't use hotmail.

Well Doug, I guess I can forgive you this time, I enjoyed the bantering once you showed you really
had no substance to argue with, and that you actually agree with me. Tell ya what, as a peace
offering send me your address, and I'll send you a weeks supply (55 gal drum) of KY jelly to you.

(Doug Freese) said:

Well Fred, here's where I cum clean and apologize to the ol' thebillrodgers for being such a
[censored]. I just found out I had half a banana still wedged up my ass, but my BF Donovan was able
to pull it out with his tongue for me, and now I'm fine. I owe thebillrodgers a huge apology for
harassing him when I knew he was right all along. It was just good fun while my Donny was away for
the weekend on a business trip to Provincetown, Mass. I love you Bill, you are my idol, my hero,
and the very reason I run.

Your pal, Doug Freese

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"Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The myth man opines:

Come on Willie, can't you see the forest for the trees? If you can't separate quality from
moral issues then you must live in a very black and white world. Let's see, you're also a
conservative Republican that drinks Bud!

Could be worse. He could be a liberal Democrat that cashes his welfare check to buy lottery
tickets and Coors.

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> Your turn? (yes, i know all about it)

Nah, you're way to immature to continue this discussion. Stick to running where you are at
least correct 50% of the time.

Pass the banana please! 🙂 🙂

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TenKMan said:

Sorry, the real Doug Freese knows my name and doesn't use hotmail.

Yeah, I hear he uses "hotmales" LOLOL But seriously, that sure sounds like the real Doug to me. And
here I thought his apology was sincere. I'll play the optimist here and until I hear different
assume it's him.

TenKMan said:

Sorry, the real Doug Freese knows my name and doesn't use hotmail.

At times his smashmouth cockalorum, sans ratiocination, makes me laugh at him. A popinjay
comes to mind.

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Doug Freese said:

TenKMan said:

Sorry, the real Doug Freese knows my name and doesn't use hotmail.

At times his smashmouth cockalorum, sans ratiocination,

What the heck did he say? Translation anbyone?

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akes me laugh at him.

Then I did my job.

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A popinjay comes to mind.

Some kind of [censored]-eroticism?

PeTe said:

What the heck did he say? Translation anbyone?

You're full of [censored]!

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akes me laugh at him.

Then I did my job.

That you did. A little like Andrew Dice Clay - funny for a second or two but got old real fast.

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A popinjay comes to mind.

Some kind of [censored]-eroticism?

Almost.

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Doug Freese said:

PeTe said:

What the heck did he say? Translation anbyone?

You're full of [censored]!

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Ok.

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akes me laugh at him.

Then I did my job.

That you did. A little like Andrew Dice Clay - funny for a second or two but got old real fast.

The Diceman lives!

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popinjay comes to mind.

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Some kind of [censored]-eroticism?

Almost.

I figured...

PeTe said:

Don't give the dummy hints, let him do his own web research. I lost
1.5 hours outta my life to prove him wrong, so he should too. Anybody dumb enough to believe the
junk he is spewing about nike deserves to spend some time getting better educated. He's trying
to defend a whole company with a long history of producing garbage shoes at inflated prices,
based on one shoe that's designed to cater to 5,000 people in the whole USA. Laughable really.

Eh, whatever. I'm moderately company agnostic - if Nike started producing good shoes at reasonable
prices, I'd consider them. I figure after the media bloodbath they had, their 3rd world work
practices are about as (good,bad) as most other shoe companies, so there's no reason to turn a blind
eye _if_ they're actually making a good product. I'm not impressed with their products in general,
but - as one example - the SDM watch + pod is a pretty cool toy.

I'll let someone else do the research and the $100 to figure out if Nike's shoes are any
good, though.

On the other hand, my racing will probably always benefit more and more cheaply from a 10oz less ice
cream than from 2oz less shoe. Maybe once I start dipping down under 5 minute miles I'll appreciate
shoe weight a bit more. At 0.5oz lighter than my DS Verdicts (and $30 more), there'd have to be
something pretty impressively better about them to sell me.

Their flash-only website is a wee bit (!) annoying, though. Style over content... hmm.

-Dave

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Dave Andersen said:

Style over content... hmm.

Just like their shoes...

I like and run in Nike shoes (Span and Streak) and also have shoes from other manufacturers. But
there is nothing special about the Spiridon, in fact the reviews I've read have slammed it pretty
hard. There are tons of shoes in the 10 oz range with good rearfoot cushioning and stability. Here
are a few: Asics DS-Trainer, Mizuno Maverick, Adidas Rotterdam. These are proven shoes that have
gotten good reviews. These shoes have been advertised heavily and I think people are getting sucked
up in the Nike marketing hype. For what it's worth I have cut and pasted some of the Runners World
UK review.

Runners World: "There's also no forefoot Air, so the toe-off area doesn't feel well cushioned. The
contrast between the cushioned rearfoot and the hard forefoot doesn't make for a smooth ride.
Wear-testers also found the midsole narrow in the forefoot, which further limits the appeal. In
short The caged Zoom Air concept shows promise, but the Spiridon doesn't really deliver. Only
efficient, narrow-footed runners, who aren't too bothered about forefoot cushioning will favour it.
There are plenty of better shoes around for £20 less."

"Only efficient, narrow-footed runners..." Doesn't sound like a shoe suited for heel strikers to me.

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Nike announced Thursday that its fiscal 2004 first-quarter profits ran past analysts' forecasts as
the athletic shoe giant scored big overseas and showed signs of reversing a skid in U.S. sneaker
sales. <snip> The average price paid for Nike sneakers has begun to rise after about a year and a
half of declines, <snip> Swift sales of Nike's Shox and Air Zoom Spiridon running shoes, both
priced at $100 or more, helped fuel the increase, Blair said...
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OK, the Shox are inexcusable & have no place on this ng. Their flats were always legit, but I am
sensing Nike has a winner for the real runner with this Spiridon. At my races I am starting to see
this shoe popping up on the feet of serious runners and they seem to rave over it. I'm not strong
enough or talented enough to ball/toe & midsole strike over 10K and I inevitably migrate to heel
striking for a good portion of LD races and thus generally wear a 12 oz stability shoe (for over
10Ks). Unlike a lightweight trainer which really is for midsole striking.... this Spiridon is made
for heel strikers yet offers the forefront flexibility like a flat. I think it's the only under 10
.oz shoe (Sz 9-10) designed for heel strikers...it's really in a class of it's own w/it's weight,
design, and materials.

Anyone out there using the shoe? I've never bought a current model shoe as I generally refuse to
pay retail....(I buy last year's at half price today)....however I am curious about this shoe. Can
we get past the Nike bashing and consider the shoe free of ant-Nike sentiment? It's an intriguing
shoe in my opinion and I am seeing spreading acceptance of it from serious runners. Anyone else
seeing this at their races? I think Nike might have a winner here...

C'mon...most be some running folks out there in this ng w/the shoe?

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I like and run in Nike shoes (Span and Streak) and also have shoes from other manufacturers. But
there is nothing special about the Spiridon, in fact the reviews I've read have slammed it
pretty hard.

I'd heard that too, so it was quite amazing to see someone actuallly using this as an example of a
good shoe. I got a laff out of it anyways...

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There are tons of shoes in the 10 oz range with good rearfoot cushioning and stability.

OH NO! There can't be, only the nike gods could have made such a wonder of modern engineering
<snicker snicker>. The part that really cracks me up is that he not only claimed it was a great
shoe, but that nike was "the only one" with it on the market, when in actuality they weren't even
the 1st or 2nd to copy it.

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re are a few: Asics DS-Trainer, Mizuno Maverick, Adidas Rotterdam. These are proven shoes that have
gotten good reviews. These shoes have been advertised heavily and I think people are getting sucked
up in the Nike marketing hype. For what it's worth I have cut and pasted some of the Runners World
UK review.

Runners World: "There's also no forefoot Air, so the toe-off area doesn't feel well cushioned. The
contrast between the cushioned rearfoot and the hard forefoot doesn't make for a smooth ride.
Wear-testers also found the midsole narrow in the forefoot, which further limits the appeal. In
short The caged Zoom Air concept shows promise, but the Spiridon doesn't really deliver. Only
efficient, narrow-footed runners, who aren't too bothered about forefoot cushioning will favour it.
There are plenty of better shoes around for £20 less."

"Only efficient, narrow-footed runners..." Doesn't sound like a shoe suited for heel
strikers to me.

Tramps like us... baby we were born to run.