NiteRider MiNewt Review



Stephen Harding wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Stephen Harding wrote:
> >
> >
> >>A small light glowing off the side of the road isn't enough
> >>to get the attention of at least 50% of the cars I encounter
> >>in my neighborhood (while walking myself and/or dog at night).

> >
> > I'm always amazed that some people find the world to be such a
> > dangerous place.

>
> Don't tell me there isn't an element of danger in one of my
> dog walk routes. I walk it extremely often, over years.
>
> I don't feel the world is an exceptionally dangerous place
> for walking or riding a bike. Generally people are pretty
> good and other than encountering the rare psychopath on the
> road, you'll be quite safe whether you even use a light at
> all during the night, overall. People aren't out to kill
> you.
>
> But...
>
> This stretch of road is wooded with turns; sparcely settled
> with a town park where ball games run into the night and
> some percentage of young people leave the part in varying
> states of inebriation. Add to that, they go too fast.
>
> You'd be a fool to just happily skip down the road in the
> belief there is nothing to be concerned about because the
> world is a very safe place.


In my mind, there's a difference between "an element of danger" and "a
dangerous place."

There's an element of danger in _everything_. I've read of cars
crashing into houses and injuring people sleeping in their beds. The
question, as usual, is "How much danger?"

For your walking case, I wouldn't have the attitude you describe in
your last paragraph above. First, I rarely skip these days. ;-)
More to the point, I seldom think there is _nothing_ to be concerned
about. I take precautions - but those don't involve blinding anyone.

So what do I do? I carry a small light, and turn it on and swing my
arm naturally when a car approaches. Works for me. If you're not
swinging your light as you walk, you remove an effective clue to the
driver. Try it.

Back to the bike headlight - I still maintain your headlight should not
be blinding, or even irritating, to other road users. It's not
necessary for safety, and it can cause harm.

BTW, I had the experience of passing a cyclist with a badly aimed
super-headlight on a short bike path. I had to shade my eyes with one
hand to keep from being completely blinded. And taking a hand off the
brakes to do that made me pretty unhappy. I think the guy is/was an
inconsiderate jerk.

IIRC, DOT has specs for auto headlights, designed to limit the
blinding of other road users. The logic is simple, and should apply to
bicycles as well.

- Frank Krygowski
 
[email protected] wrote:

> For your walking case, I wouldn't have the attitude you describe in
> your last paragraph above. First, I rarely skip these days. ;-)
> More to the point, I seldom think there is _nothing_ to be concerned
> about. I take precautions - but those don't involve blinding anyone.


I don't know if I'm actually blinding anyone. If I am, it's for
short periods, not unlike in your car when flashing your high
beams at oncoming car who may be unaware they are on high.

Flash a few times. If he doesn't get it, give it up. One person
blind is bad enough, let alone two, at typical car closing speeds!

But that's in my car.

> So what do I do? I carry a small light, and turn it on and swing my
> arm naturally when a car approaches. Works for me. If you're not
> swinging your light as you walk, you remove an effective clue to the
> driver. Try it.


I have. I don't believe it works as well as flashing the light
across someones eyes (my intent). It gets their attention farther
out. I works great and if I'm blinding them, it's only intermittent.

> Back to the bike headlight - I still maintain your headlight should not
> be blinding, or even irritating, to other road users. It's not
> necessary for safety, and it can cause harm.
>
> BTW, I had the experience of passing a cyclist with a badly aimed
> super-headlight on a short bike path. I had to shade my eyes with one
> hand to keep from being completely blinded. And taking a hand off the
> brakes to do that made me pretty unhappy. I think the guy is/was an
> inconsiderate jerk.
>
> IIRC, DOT has specs for auto headlights, designed to limit the
> blinding of other road users. The logic is simple, and should apply to
> bicycles as well.


Pretty much agree for the bicycle. It should be no worse than
flashing high beams in your car, although rather more difficult
to control on a bike since you have no high beam (or shouldn't,
unless you have a second light that functions as one; which should
be off while on the road).

My "blinding is good" comments were over-stated. I only meant while
on foot (I'm in oncoming traffic's lane and *need* to ensure they
know I'm there; furthermore, "blinding" should only be intermittent
as in waving the light back and forth across the windshield). It
*does* get the driver's attention farther out [in my experience].

On a bike, you should not be blinding on-coming traffic, even for
moments. On the rare occasions I've had a car flash his lights at
me, I know I need to re-aim the bike headlight lower.


SMH
 
On 2006-11-21 06:19:55 -0800, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
<[email protected]> said:

>
> Paul Hobson wrote:
>> The original thread expired on my servers so...
>>
>> It's *fantastic*
>>
>> ...

>
> In my experience, it's not Niterider product but their crappy customer
> support. After sending a unit back, and being accused of lying about
> what I put in the box, I don't think I'll be buying any NR stuff for me
> or the shop.


Hmmm. That contradicts my experience with their customer support.
Mine has always been very good -- I had 2 times my BlowTorch wouldn't
start (about 18 months apart)... both times they gave me an RMA and
fixed it no charge. And once that my digital pro 12 crapped the bed...
same experience.

That said, for HID lights, I think the performance of the Lights &
Motion lights are better, and I like their design better. I think the
L&Ms are better products overall, but my experience with NightRider was
always quite good w.r.t. support.

Now NightSun, on the other hand... they wrestle with Bullseye for worst
customer service evAr.