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  1. Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    regards
    Mariusz

  2. mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    regards
    Mariusz

    Mavic in 1989 with ADR/Bottrechia and Lemond. Think Suntour has won
    once. If you ignore Lance, shimano has never been on a sponsored
    winner. (Helmets ON, flac jacket BUCKLED). Interesting but with a van
    full of new parts and a legion of wrenches, what these guys ride
    really means little. I think what is MORE important is the bike frame,
    heart of the bicycle, not the bits strapped onto said frame. Saddles
    and pedals more important also, or anywhere else the rider 'touches'
    the bike, handlebars..............I think Pinarello has been 'under' a
    bunch of winners(Indurain, Ullrich, Riis).

  3. mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    regards
    Mariusz

    Lance rode Shimano. During the 70 until the late 80s everyone rode
    campagnolo. 7-11 rode shimano equipped eddie mercx frames. there may
    have been some riders with mavic groups but I don't remember.

  4. mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.

    ???
    94 th Tour, only 27 winners on Campy

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

  5. On Jul 17, 8:13 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    Quoted message said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Quoted message said:

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    Quoted message said:

    regards
    Mariusz

    Mavic in 1989 with ADR/Bottrechia and Lemond. Think Suntour has won
    once. If you ignore Lance, shimano has never been on a sponsored
    winner. (Helmets ON, flac jacket BUCKLED). Interesting but with a van
    full of new parts and a legion of wrenches, what these guys ride
    really means little. I think what is MORE important is the bike frame,
    heart of the bicycle, not the bits strapped onto said frame. Saddles
    and pedals more important also, or anywhere else the rider 'touches'
    the bike, handlebars..............I think Pinarello has been 'under' a
    bunch of winners(Indurain, Ullrich, Riis).

    Well, at least Pinarello decals were under a bunch of winners.
    Ullrich in
    particular was known for hardly using anything made by his actual
    sponsors.
    While the carbon fiber era has made re-badging particularly difficult,
    a lot of
    guys are still riding Walser TT bikes according to cyclingnews:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_tech_607

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    Campagnolo was the dominant component group for decades, with only
    occasional victories by bikes equipped with other components. Since
    1960 it's been very predominantly Campy. This is mostly due to Campy
    being used by almost every pro team and not necessarily because their
    stuff was "faster."

    Bernard Thevenet won in 1975 or 76 on a mix of Simplex and Stronglight.
    Greg Lemond won his comeback tour in 1989 on Mavic IIRC, I don't
    remember what he used in 1986 or 1990. Certainly from 1991-1998 all the
    winners used Campy, then Lance won his seven Tours on Shimano. No one
    ever won the Tour on Sun Tour.

  7. mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    Jacques Anquetil on Huret
    Roger Pingeon on Simplex (Eddy was a neo-pro for his Peugeot team that
    year, '67, on Simplex)
    The Merckx years are Campagnolo of course
    Luis Ocana on Campagnolo too
    Thevenet on Simplex-Spidel
    PouPou never won (sigh)

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  8. Quoted message said:
    mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.

    M-gineering said:

    ???
    94 th Tour, only 27 winners on Campy

    If I recall, the claim is "more Campagnolo than any other single brand",
    not "more Campagnolo than all others combined"

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  9. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    regards
    Mariusz

    Dear Marius,

    Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
    derailleurs, with additions to 2006:

    40 Campagnolo
    29 forbidden by tour rules
    10 Simplex
    7 Shimano
    3 Huret
    2 Super Champion
    1 Vittoria Marghetta
    1 Mavic

    Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
    and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.

    Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.

    From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.

    The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
    to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
    Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
    French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).

    It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
    in winning the Tour de France.

    The detailed list follows.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    1903 garin la fracaise forbidden 01
    1904 croent cycles j.c. forbidden 02
    1905 trousseller peugeout forbidden 03
    1906 pottier peugeout forbidden 04
    1907 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 05
    1908 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 06
    1909 faber alcyon forbidden 07
    1910 lapize alcyon forbidden 08
    1911 garrigou alcyon forbidden 09
    1912 defraye alcyon forbidden 10
    1913 thys peugeot forbidden 11
    1914 thys peugeot forbidden 12
    1915 no tour x x
    1916 no tour x x
    1917 no tour x x
    1918 no tour x x
    1919 lambot la sportive forbidden 13
    1920 thys la sportive forbidden 14
    1921 lambot peugeot forbidden 15
    1922 pelisier automoto forbidden 16
    1923 bottechia automoto forbidden 17
    1924 bottechia automoto forbidden 18
    1925 buysse automoto forbidden 19
    1925 frantz alcyon forbidden 20
    1928 frantz alcyon forbidden 21
    1929 dewaele alcyon forbidden 22
    1930 leduq generic forbidden 23
    1931 magne generic forbidden 24
    1932 leduq generic forbidden 25
    1933 speicher generic forbidden 26
    1934 magne generic forbidden 27
    1935 r. maes generic forbidden 28
    1936 s. maes generic forbidden 29
    1937 lapeble generic super champion 01
    1938 bartali generic vittoria marghetta 01
    1939 s. maes generic super champion 02
    1940 no tour x x
    1941 no tour x x
    1942 no tour x x
    1943 no tour x x
    1944 no tour x x
    1945 no tour x x
    1946*lazarides france sport campagnolo 01
    * 5-day pseudo-tour
    1947*robic genial-lucifer simplex 01
    *coppi and bartali not allowed
    1948 bartali legano campagnolo 02
    1949 coppi bianchi simplex 02
    1950 kubler frejus simplex 03
    1951 koblet la perle campagnolo 03
    1952 coppi bianchi campagnolo 04
    1953 bobet stella huret 01
    1954 bobet stella huret 02
    1955 bobet louison-bobet mercier-huret 03
    1956 walkowiak geminiani campagnolo 05
    1957 anquetil heylett simplex 04
    1958 gaul learco-guerra campagnolo 06
    1959 bahamontes coppi campagnolo 07
    1960 nencini no brand campagnolo 08
    1961 anquetil heylett simplex 05
    1961 anquetil heylett simplex 06
    1963 anquetil gitane campagnolo 09
    1964 anquetil gitane campagnolo 10
    1965 gimondi magni campagnolo 11
    1966 aimar geminiani campagnolo 12
    1967 pingeon peugeot simplex 07
    1968 janssen lejeune campagnolo 13
    1969 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 14
    1970 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 15
    1971 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 16
    1972 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 17
    1973 ocana motobecane campagnolo 18
    1974 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 19
    1975 thevenet peugeot simplex 08
    1976 van impe gitane campagnolo 20
    1977 thevenet peugeot simplex 09
    1978 hinault gitane campagnolo 21
    1979 hinault gitane campagnolo 22
    1980 zoetemelk gitane campagnolo 23
    1981 hinault gitane campagnolo 24
    1982 hinault gitane campagnolo 25
    1983 fignon gitane simplex 10
    1984 fignon gitane campagnolo 26
    1985 hinault hinault campagnolo 27
    1986 lemond look-hinault campagnolo 28
    1987 roche battglin campagnolo 29
    1988 delgado pinarello campagnolo 30
    1989 lemond bottechia mavic 01
    1990 lemond lemond campagnolo 31
    1991 indurain tvt campagnolo 32
    1992 indurain pinarello campagnolo 33
    1993 indurain pinarello campagnolo 34
    1994 indurain pinarello campagnolo 35
    1995 indurain pinarello campagnolo 36
    1996 riis pinarello campagnolo 37
    1997 ullrich pinarello campagnolo 38
    1998 pantani bianchi campagnolo 39
    1999 armstrong trek shimano 01
    2000 armstrong trek shimano 02
    2001 armstrong trek shimano 03
    2002 armstrong trek shimano 04
    2003 armstrong trek shimano 05
    2004 armstrong trek shimano 06
    2005 armstrong trek shimano 07
    2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

  10. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    regards
    Mariusz

    Dear Marius,

    Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
    derailleurs, with additions to 2006:

    40 Campagnolo
    29 forbidden by tour rules
    10 Simplex
    7 Shimano
    3 Huret
    2 Super Champion
    1 Vittoria Marghetta
    1 Mavic

    Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
    and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.

    Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.

    From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.

    The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
    to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
    Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
    French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).

    It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
    in winning the Tour de France.

    The detailed list follows.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    1903 garin la fracaise forbidden 01
    1904 croent cycles j.c. forbidden 02
    1905 trousseller peugeout forbidden 03
    1906 pottier peugeout forbidden 04
    1907 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 05
    1908 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 06
    1909 faber alcyon forbidden 07
    1910 lapize alcyon forbidden 08
    1911 garrigou alcyon forbidden 09
    1912 defraye alcyon forbidden 10
    1913 thys peugeot forbidden 11
    1914 thys peugeot forbidden 12
    1915 no tour x x
    1916 no tour x x
    1917 no tour x x
    1918 no tour x x
    1919 lambot la sportive forbidden 13
    1920 thys la sportive forbidden 14
    1921 lambot peugeot forbidden 15
    1922 pelisier automoto forbidden 16
    1923 bottechia automoto forbidden 17
    1924 bottechia automoto forbidden 18
    1925 buysse automoto forbidden 19
    1925 frantz alcyon forbidden 20
    1928 frantz alcyon forbidden 21
    1929 dewaele alcyon forbidden 22
    1930 leduq generic forbidden 23
    1931 magne generic forbidden 24
    1932 leduq generic forbidden 25
    1933 speicher generic forbidden 26
    1934 magne generic forbidden 27
    1935 r. maes generic forbidden 28
    1936 s. maes generic forbidden 29
    1937 lapeble generic super champion 01
    1938 bartali generic vittoria marghetta 01
    1939 s. maes generic super champion 02
    1940 no tour x x
    1941 no tour x x
    1942 no tour x x
    1943 no tour x x
    1944 no tour x x
    1945 no tour x x
    1946*lazarides france sport campagnolo 01
    * 5-day pseudo-tour
    1947*robic genial-lucifer simplex 01
    *coppi and bartali not allowed
    1948 bartali legano campagnolo 02
    1949 coppi bianchi simplex 02
    1950 kubler frejus simplex 03
    1951 koblet la perle campagnolo 03
    1952 coppi bianchi campagnolo 04
    1953 bobet stella huret 01
    1954 bobet stella huret 02
    1955 bobet louison-bobet mercier-huret 03
    1956 walkowiak geminiani campagnolo 05
    1957 anquetil heylett simplex 04
    1958 gaul learco-guerra campagnolo 06
    1959 bahamontes coppi campagnolo 07
    1960 nencini no brand campagnolo 08
    1961 anquetil heylett simplex 05
    1961 anquetil heylett simplex 06
    1963 anquetil gitane campagnolo 09
    1964 anquetil gitane campagnolo 10
    1965 gimondi magni campagnolo 11
    1966 aimar geminiani campagnolo 12
    1967 pingeon peugeot simplex 07
    1968 janssen lejeune campagnolo 13
    1969 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 14
    1970 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 15
    1971 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 16
    1972 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 17
    1973 ocana motobecane campagnolo 18
    1974 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 19
    1975 thevenet peugeot simplex 08
    1976 van impe gitane campagnolo 20
    1977 thevenet peugeot simplex 09
    1978 hinault gitane campagnolo 21
    1979 hinault gitane campagnolo 22
    1980 zoetemelk gitane campagnolo 23
    1981 hinault gitane campagnolo 24
    1982 hinault gitane campagnolo 25
    1983 fignon gitane simplex 10
    1984 fignon gitane campagnolo 26
    1985 hinault hinault campagnolo 27
    1986 lemond look-hinault campagnolo 28
    1987 roche battglin campagnolo 29
    1988 delgado pinarello campagnolo 30
    1989 lemond bottechia mavic 01
    1990 lemond lemond campagnolo 31
    1991 indurain tvt campagnolo 32
    1992 indurain pinarello campagnolo 33
    1993 indurain pinarello campagnolo 34
    1994 indurain pinarello campagnolo 35
    1995 indurain pinarello campagnolo 36
    1996 riis pinarello campagnolo 37
    1997 ullrich pinarello campagnolo 38
    1998 pantani bianchi campagnolo 39
    1999 armstrong trek shimano 01
    2000 armstrong trek shimano 02
    2001 armstrong trek shimano 03
    2002 armstrong trek shimano 04
    2003 armstrong trek shimano 05
    2004 armstrong trek shimano 06
    2005 armstrong trek shimano 07
    2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

    Thanks Carl, you saved me the work of listing those. Great book BTW.

    --
    Chas. [email hidden] (Drop spamski to E-mail me)

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    A Muzi said:

    PouPou never won (sigh)

    Alas that we never heard the dulcet voice of Phil Ligget hyperbolize:

    "The little man with the big heart, PouPou is dropping down the mountain
    like a stone."

    "And PouPou negotiates the slippery curves."

    "Oh goodness me, PouPou has hit the floor!"

    Etc.

    Must be time for the annual list of Liggetisms.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    On Jul 17, 8:13 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    Quoted message said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Quoted message said:

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    Quoted message said:

    regards
    Mariusz

    Mavic in 1989 with ADR/Bottrechia and Lemond. Think Suntour has won
    once. If you ignore Lance, shimano has never been on a sponsored
    winner. (Helmets ON, flac jacket BUCKLED). Interesting but with a van
    full of new parts and a legion of wrenches, what these guys ride
    really means little. I think what is MORE important is the bike frame,
    heart of the bicycle, not the bits strapped onto said frame. Saddles
    and pedals more important also, or anywhere else the rider 'touches'
    the bike, handlebars..............I think Pinarello has been 'under' a
    bunch of winners(Indurain, Ullrich, Riis).

    Well, at least Pinarello decals were under a bunch of winners.
    Ullrich in
    particular was known for hardly using anything made by his actual
    sponsors.
    While the carbon fiber era has made re-badging particularly difficult,
    a lot of
    guys are still riding Walser TT bikes according to cyclingnews:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_
    tech_607

    This 2004 example of rebadging is particularly pertinent:

    http://campyonly.com/images/rumors/2004/t-m1.jpg

    T-Mobile team bike with Shimano stickers and obvious Record carbon
    shifters.

    http://campyonly.com/rumors_2004.html

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  13. mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    regards
    Mariusz

    http://www.campyonly.com/tourvictory.html

    For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
    and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
    Campagnolo.

  14. email hidden said:

    http://www.campyonly.com/tourvictory.html

    For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
    and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
    Campagnolo.

    They leave out '75 and '77 because the Super LJ's beat them.

    After '77, the Campy guys were using Simplex Retro shifters and they
    won again.

    (Yeah, that may be a troll :-)

  15. On Jul 17, 12:03 pm, [email hidden] wrote, in small part:

    Quoted message said:

    2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

    I don't think that has been determined yet. Or is it in your mind?

    Regards,

    D'ohBoy

  16. Tim McNamara said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    A Muzi said:

    PouPou never won (sigh)

    Alas that we never heard the dulcet voice of Phil Ligget hyperbolize:

    "The little man with the big heart, PouPou is dropping down the mountain
    like a stone."

    "And PouPou negotiates the slippery curves."

    "Oh goodness me, PouPou has hit the floor!"

    Etc.

    Must be time for the annual list of Liggetisms.

    What a missed opportunity!

    "The spectators are crowding awfully close here...oh my! Pou Pou hit the
    fan! Oh, he really hit the fan on that one!"

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  17. Quoted message said:

    Dear Marius,

    Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
    derailleurs, with additions to 2006:

    40 Campagnolo
    29 forbidden by tour rules
    10 Simplex
    7 Shimano
    3 Huret
    2 Super Champion
    1 Vittoria Marghetta
    1 Mavic

    Thanks for such an interesting informations.
    By the way what was "vittoria marghetta 01" ?
    Does anybody have any information about it ?

    /Mariusz

  18. Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

    Quoted message said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

    Quoted message said:

    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    Quoted message said:

    regards
    Mariusz

    Dear Marius,

    Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
    derailleurs, with additions to 2006:

    40 Campagnolo
    29 forbidden by tour rules
    10 Simplex
    7 Shimano
    3 Huret
    2 Super Champion
    1 Vittoria Marghetta
    1 Mavic

    Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
    and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.

    Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.

    From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.

    The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
    to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
    Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
    French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).

    It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
    in winning the Tour de France.

    The detailed list follows.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    Interesting fact : no one ever won TDF on COLNAGO !

  19. Tim McNamara said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    mariusz said:

    Hi everyone,
    as the wikipedia website says :

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

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    Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
    I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
    especially in 70`s or 80`s.
    Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
    I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
    it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

    Campagnolo was the dominant component group for decades, with only
    occasional victories by bikes equipped with other components. Since
    1960 it's been very predominantly Campy. This is mostly due to Campy
    being used by almost every pro team and not necessarily because their
    stuff was "faster."

    Bernard Thevenet won in 1975 or 76 on a mix of Simplex and Stronglight.
    Greg Lemond won his comeback tour in 1989 on Mavic IIRC, I don't
    remember what he used in 1986 or 1990.

    La Vie Claire and Team 'Z', both Campagnolo.

    Certainly from 1991-1998 all the

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    winners used Campy, then Lance won his seven Tours on Shimano. No one
    ever won the Tour on Sun Tour.

  20. still me said:

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:30:45 -0700, "[email hidden]"

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    http://www.campyonly.com/tourvictory.html

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    For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
    and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
    Campagnolo.

    They leave out '75 and '77 because the Super LJ's beat them.

    Then why would they show the 1999-2002 period if they are so concerned
    about someone besides Campagnolo winning? Your explanation does not
    work given the other facts shown.

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    After '77, the Campy guys were using Simplex Retro shifters and they
    won again.

    (Yeah, that may be a troll :-)

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