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  1. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bda901$bqk$1 @slb6.atl.mindspring.net:

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    Thanks. Do you know if the test actually distinguishes Epogen from endogenous EPO, or is it a
    threshold test, like for testosterone?

    let's get real. if they win, they're on epo.

    Anyone can boost their red blood cell count legally by sleeping in an environment of low air
    pressure. With enough $$ there are numerous ways to do this. I think the winners can probably swing
    it, so why risk being caught doing EPO? Only a bonehead (like Ramundas Rumsas) would do this. Lance
    himself has stated the same recently.

    - Boyd S.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Boyd Speerschneider

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    "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bda901$bqk$1 @slb6.atl.mindspring.net:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Thanks. Do you know if the test actually distinguishes Epogen from endogenous EPO, or is it
    a threshold test, like for testosterone?

    let's get real. if they win, they're on epo.


    Quoted message said:

    Anyone can boost their red blood cell count legally by sleeping in an environment of low air
    pressure. With enough $$ there are numerous ways to do this. I think the winners can probably
    swing it, so why risk being caught doing EPO?

    High altitude sleeping tents present some of their own problems not found with EPO. I'd guess they
    can use EPO up until a time they might get tested then switch over to high altitude methods, or do
    like many others and go live at altitude for a few weeks to get better acclimated to the stresses of
    sleeping at altitude.

    -WG

  3. If you tested a sherpa's hemocrit it would not pass 50%

    The test does not look for EPO so much as an unhealthy hemocrit. Right?

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    In article <[email hidden]>, Boyd Speerschneider

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    "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bda901$bqk$1
    @slb6.atl.mindspring.net:

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Thanks. Do you know if the test actually distinguishes Epogen


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > endogenous EPO, or is it a threshold test, like for testosterone?

    let's get real. if they win, they're on epo.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone can boost their red blood cell count legally by sleeping in an environment of low air
    pressure. With enough $$ there are numerous ways to do this. I think the winners can probably
    swing it, so why risk being caught


    doing

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    Quoted message said:

    EPO?

    High altitude sleeping tents present some of their own problems not found with EPO. I'd guess they
    can use EPO up until a time they might get tested then switch over to high altitude methods, or do
    like many others and go live at altitude for a few weeks to get better acclimated to the stresses
    of sleeping at altitude.

    -WG

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, Lewdvig

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    If you tested a sherpa's hemocrit it would not pass 50%

    I doubt that statement. What eveidence do you have for it?

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    The test does not look for EPO so much as an unhealthy hemocrit. Right?

    They can test for either, or both.

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    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    In article <[email hidden]>, Boyd Speerschneider

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    "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bda901$bqk$1
    @slb6.atl.mindspring.net:

    >>
    >> Thanks. Do you know if the test actually distinguishes Epogen


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> endogenous EPO, or is it a threshold test, like for testosterone?
    >
    > let's get real. if they win, they're on epo.
    >

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone can boost their red blood cell count legally by sleeping in an environment of low air
    pressure. With enough $$ there are numerous ways to do this. I think the winners can probably
    swing it, so why risk being caught


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    EPO?

    High altitude sleeping tents present some of their own problems not found with EPO. I'd guess
    they can use EPO up until a time they might get tested then switch over to high altitude
    methods, or do like many others and go live at altitude for a few weeks to get better acclimated
    to the stresses of sleeping at altitude.

    -WG

  5. "Lewdvig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I did a stint with Doctors Without Borders in Nepal and I know for a fact that sherpas do not have
    such high hemocrit levels. I used to test kids


    for

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    anaemia.

    Sherpas have lived at altitude for generations and presumably have adapted. Other people have not.

    sportsdoping.commethods.html

    Hematocrit values of population residing at few meters from the sea level are significantly lower
    than those observed in population residing in altitude and the relative percentage of subjects with
    values over the normal reference range is lower. Accordingly, it was proved that over 20% of
    athletes sustaining hard training in altitude shows hematocrit values above the reference ranges as
    compared to only 0.8% of athletes sustaining similar loads of training at the sea level. In a
    retrospective study analyzing the distribution of hematocrit levels in 278 control subjects and 46
    athletes participating to the Olympic games emerged that 4% of the athletes and 2% of the control
    population had values over the threshold established by the CIO. In synthesis, the baseline
    hematocrit can rise from 4 to 14 points at 2300 and 4500 mts of altitude, respectively.

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