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  1. I've got a high flange Normandy hub from a 1970s Motobecane Mirage that I bought at the thrift
    store. I like the look of these high flange hubs, and I gave this one an overhaul. The bearing
    surfaces are in good shape, but one of the cones is pitted, so I figured I'd replace the bearings
    and cones. Little did I realize that these are unique cones.

    LBS has a Campy axle (with different thread) and says that the cones are similar enough, but
    obvoiusly you need the Campy axle and the Campy cones (~$30).

    That's probably what I'll do, because the axle looks pretty beat up, and I don't mind replacing it.

    But I would still like to know if there's a solution to this using a 9mm x 1mm alxe. Anybody know?
    Also, if using the Campy axle, are there limitations on which Campy cones will work?

    Thanks in advance,

    Bruce

  2. "Bruce Lange" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hWKX9.5577$6G4.3804@sccrnsc02...

    Quoted message said:


    I've got a high flange Normandy hub from a 1970s Motobecane Mirage that I bought at the thrift
    store. I like the look of these high flange hubs, and


    I

    Quoted message said:

    gave this one an overhaul. The bearing surfaces are in good shape, but one of the cones is pitted,
    so I figured I'd replace the bearings and cones. Little did I realize that these are unique cones.

    LBS has a Campy axle (with different thread) and says that the cones are similar enough, but
    obvoiusly you need the Campy axle and the Campy cones (~$30).

    That's probably what I'll do, because the axle looks pretty beat up, and I don't mind
    replacing it.

    But I would still like to know if there's a solution to this using a 9mm x 1mm alxe. Anybody know?
    Also, if using the Campy axle, are there


    limitations

    Quoted message said:

    on which Campy cones will work?

    When you say 9x1 you mean a front hub, right? Use any current Shimano or Jo You or similar axle set
    for 10x10 3/16" balls . Almost all are patterned after your hub, which was considered the industry
    standard for a good many years. Even cups often fit if you should find the need.

    In classic Campagnolo, use a GranSport or NuovoTipo axle set but not a Record (as those were cut to
    use 10x10 7/32" balls).

    The currently supplied Campagnolo front hubs that use 10x10 3/16" balls are so abysmally awful that
    a pitted Normandy cone would be an improvement. One wonders if anyone at Campagnolo knows what their
    vendor is doing with those horrible things. We change to new bearings and plenty of good grease when
    we find 'em on new bicycles but even stilll their "Cone Consumption Rate"
    ( anew measure of low quality hubs developed just for these) is pretty high. Don't bother.

    --
    Andrew Muzi yellowjersey.orgyellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971

  3. Quoted message said:

    When you say 9x1 you mean a front hub, right?

    Yes it's a front.

    Quoted message said:

    Use any current Shimano or Jo You or similar axle set for 10x10 3/16" balls .

    Thanks Andrew. I think I misspoke at the LBS and said Malliard rather than Normandy. There were some
    unique Malliard axles and cones (even other than Helicomatic) , weren't there? I took a closer look
    at it just now and I see that you are right.

    My mistake!

    -Bruce-

  4. Quoted message said:

    When you say 9x1 you mean a front hub, right?

    Yes it's a front.

    Quoted message said:

    Use any current Shimano or Jo You or similar axle set for 10x10 3/16" balls .

    Thanks Andrew. I think I misspoke at the LBS and said Malliard rather than Normandy. There were some
    unique Malliard axles and cones (even other than Helicomatic) , weren't there? I took a closer look
    at it just now and I see that you are right.

    My mistake!

    -Bruce-

  5. "A Muzi", an authority, wrote in another thread:

    Quoted message said:

    The currently supplied Campagnolo front hubs that use 10x10 3/16" balls are so abysmally awful
    that a pitted Normandy cone would be an improvement.


    Does this mean I should replace the bearings on my new Chorus front hub (which has not even been
    ridden yet)? Brian Plaugher

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    When you say 9x1 you mean a front hub, right?

    "Bruce Lange" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes it's a front.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Use any current Shimano or Jo You or similar axle set for 10x10 3/16" balls .

    "Bruce Lange"> Thanks Andrew. I think I misspoke at the LBS and said Malliard rather than

    Quoted message said:

    Normandy. There were some unique Malliard axles and cones (even other than Helicomatic) , weren't
    there? I took a closer look at it just now and I


    see

    Quoted message said:

    that you are right.

    That's understandable. Among the various brands (M.M.Atom. Maillard, Normandy) the top end equipment
    (Maillard Pro) had a poorly-conceived and quite unusual cone shape that's infamously never
    available*. Your average bike shop employee might easily just say 'no' reflexively, thinking of
    those when asked "Maillard?".

    *quality was good, but the odd cone combined with an extremely fine axle thread to preclude
    interchangeability.
    --
    Andrew Muzi yellowjersey.orgyellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted post said:

    The currently supplied Campagnolo front hubs that use 10x10 3/16" balls


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so abysmally awful that a pitted Normandy cone would be an improvement.

    "Brian Plaugher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Does this mean I should replace the bearings on my new Chorus front hub (which has not even been
    ridden yet)?

    Not at all!

    The current Chorus is IMHO among the best bicycle hub bearing systems (design _and_ execution)
    ever made!

    The Avanti, Xenon and Mirage use 10 balls each side, 3/16", but are pretty low quality overall.
    --
    Andrew Muzi yellowjersey.orgyellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971

  8. Yes! Details please? What years/groups are you seeing problems with? Some of us spend hard-earned
    money on new Campy stuff . . .

    [email hidden] (Brian Plaugher) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "A Muzi", an authority, wrote in another thread:

    Quoted message said:

    The currently supplied Campagnolo front hubs that use 10x10 3/16" balls are so abysmally awful
    that a pitted Normandy cone would be an improvement.


    Does this mean I should replace the bearings on my new Chorus front hub (which has not even been
    ridden yet)? Brian Plaugher

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