NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules

[Fractal]

Or maybe a slight delay when opening car door, with a little recorded
message saying "look in the #$%^^#@ mirror, there might be a cyclist
coming", or a beep like the seat belt not done up warning tone, irritating
but effective.

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>
> My 20 cents worth:
> 1, Hazard lights on cars should be hard-wired to flash whenever a door
> is open or ajar, and
> 2. The speed of the flash should be faster than normal turn indicator
> frequency to differentiate the different intended actions.
> It might give some warning just before idiot drivers fling open the door
> in a parking lane.

 

[beerwolf]

"Fractal" wrote:

> Or maybe a slight delay when opening car door, with a little recorded
> message saying "look in the #$%^^#@ mirror, there might be a cyclist
> coming", or a beep like the seat belt not done up warning tone,
> irritating but effective.

Or even better, a 2-stage door opening procedure where the door opens to
about a 3cm gap, then stops until a second control is pressed. Thereafter
the door should only open further with positive pressure at the outer end
of the door, thus preventing it being flung open by a push.

--
beerwolf

 

[Terryc]

Dorfus Dippintush wrote:

> You're attitude is we should make things dangerous for the driver so as
> to cause bodily harm if he/ she makes a mistake.

Yes, because making it safer for car drivers has made it more dangerous
for everyone else.

> what do you reckon the car driver thinks?

I know that car drivers don't think, so it is a pointless question.

 

[Aeek]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:28:23 +1000, Terryc
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Dorfus Dippintush wrote:
>
>> You're attitude is we should make things dangerous for the driver so as
>> to cause bodily harm if he/ she makes a mistake.
>
>Yes, because making it safer for car drivers has made it more dangerous
>for everyone else.

Not everything. Active aids like ABS and ESC help drivers maneuver
when they don't have the skills. The passive copouts are the problem.

 

[TimC]

On 2007-09-28, Aeek (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:28:23 +1000, Terryc
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Dorfus Dippintush wrote:
>>
>>> You're attitude is we should make things dangerous for the driver so as
>>> to cause bodily harm if he/ she makes a mistake.
>>
>>Yes, because making it safer for car drivers has made it more dangerous
>>for everyone else.
>
> Not everything. Active aids like ABS and ESC help drivers maneuver
> when they don't have the skills. The passive copouts are the problem.

ABS causes people to believe their car has more capabilities than it
really does. People drive *nuts* on gravel, because the car seems to
handle so well and they can brake when things are going well. Until
they hit some kind of rut or other slight anomaly. Give them back
their Mitsubishi Colt '81 hatchback, and then see them driving
stupidly everywhere.

--
TimC
bash awk grep perl sed df du, du-du du-du,
vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!
-- the Swedish BOFH

 

[rooman]

On 2007-09-28, Aeek (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:28:23 +1000, Terryc
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Dorfus Dippintush wrote:
>>
>>> You're attitude is we should make things dangerous for the driver so as
>>> to cause bodily harm if he/ she makes a mistake.
>>
>>Yes, because making it safer for car drivers has made it more dangerous
>>for everyone else.
>
> Not everything. Active aids like ABS and ESC help drivers maneuver
> when they don't have the skills. The passive copouts are the problem.

ABS causes people to believe their car has more capabilities than it
really does. People drive *nuts* on gravel, because the car seems to
handle so well and they can brake when things are going well. Until
they hit some kind of rut or other slight anomaly. Give them back
their Mitsubishi Colt '81 hatchback, and then see them driving
stupidly everywhere.

--
TimC
bash awk grep perl sed df du, du-du du-du,
vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!
-- the Swedish BOFH

EU thinking on this is "unsafë is Safe", see here & here.

I like this thinking as it bears out the anecdotal stuff that's been around for yonks.
Drivers either don't think, or they think they can get away with not thinking and rely on advisory signs and car safety measures... responsibility is abrograted to technology or the mother state... this brings focus on the individual taking responsibility for their actions and inactions.