nutritional deficiencies of cereals

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Tcomeau, May 30, 2004.

  1. Tcomeau

    Tcomeau Guest

    Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together comprise at
    least 75% of the world's grain production. It is clear that
    humanity has become dependent upon cereal grains for the
    majority of its food supply.

    Nutritional Content of Wheats
    Nutritional Data Wheat Wheat
    Wheat for 100 grams Hard Hard
    Soft Wheat Wheat Wheat Red Red
    Red Hard Soft Name Unit Durum
    Winter Spring Winter White White
    Food energy KCal: 339 327 329 331
    342 340 Protein Gms: 13.68 12.61
    15.4 10.35 11.31 10.69 Total
    lipid (fat) Gms: 2.47 1.54 1.92
    1.56 1.71 1.99 Carbohydrate, by
    diff. Gms: 71.13 71.18 68.03
    74.24 75.9 75.36 Total saturated
    fat Gms: 0.454 0.269 0.314 0.289
    0.277 0.368 Ttl monounsaturated
    fat Gms: 0.344 0.2 0.303 0.178
    0.203 0.227 Ttl polyunsaturated
    fat Gms: 0.978 0.627 0.765 0.656
    0.75 0.837 Cholesterol Mg: 0 0 0
    0 0 0 Sodium Mg: 2 2 2 2 2 2
    Total dietary fiber Gms: 12.6
    12.6 Vitamin A Re: 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Vitamin A IU: 0 0 0 0 0 0 Alpha
    tocopherol Mg: Ascorbic acid Mg:
    0 0 0 0 0 0 Thiamin Mg: 0.419
    0.383 0.504 0.394 0.387 0.41
    Riboflavin Mg: 0.121 0.115 0.11
    0.096 0.108 0.107 Niacin Mg:
    6.738 5.464 5.71 4.8 4.381 4.766
    Vitamin B6 Mg: 0.419 0.3 0.336
    0.272 0.368 0.378 Folacin Mcg:
    43.3 38 43 41 37.6 40.6 Vitamin
    B12 Mcg: 0 0 0 0 0 0

    Nutritional Content of Corn and Cornmeal

    Nutritional Data Cornmeal for 100 grams Corn Flour self
    rising Whole Grain Bolted Plain Corn Corn Yellow/ Enriched
    Name Unit Dry Yellow Yellow Yellow Food energy KCal: 357 365
    361 334 Protein Gms: 7.46 9.42 6.93 8.28 Total lipid (fat)
    Gms: 2.08 4.74 3.86 3.4 Carbohydrate, by diff Gms: 79.26
    74.26 76.85 70.28 Total saturated fat gms: 0.29 0.667 0.543
    0.478 Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms: 0.543 1.251 1.018 0.897
    Ttl polyunsaturated fat Gms: 0.924 2.163 1.759 1.55
    Cholesterol Mg: 0 0 0 0 Sodium Mg: 3 35 5 1247 Total dietary
    fiber Gms: 11 47 13.4 Vitamin A Re: 17 47 47 47 Vitamin A
    IU: 170 469 469 469 Thiamin Mg: 0.231 0.385 0.246 0.661
    Riboflavin Mg: 0.087 0.201 0.08 0.4 Niacin Mg: 2.43 3.627
    1.9 5.291 Vitamin B6 Mg: 0.206 0.622 0.37 0.54 Folacin Mcg:
    25 19 25 57 Vitamin B12 Mcg: 0 0 0 0

    Nutritional Content of Rice for 100 Grams.

    Rice Rice Brown White
    Nutrient Unit ------- -------
    Food energy KCal: 370.000
    365.000 Protein Gms: 7.940
    7.130 Total lipid (fat) Gms:
    2.920 0.660 Carbohydrate, by
    diff. Gms: 77.240 79.950
    Total saturated fat Gms:
    0.584 0.180 Ttl
    monounsaturated fat Gms:
    1.056 0.206 Ttl
    polyunsaturated fat Gms:
    1.044 0.177 Cholesterol Mg :
    0.000 0.000 Sodium Mg : 7.000
    5.000 Total dietary fiber
    Gms: 3.500 1.300 Vitamin A Re
    : 0.000 0.000 Vitamin A IU :
    0.000 0.000 Alpha tocopherol
    Mg : 0.680 0.110 Ascorbic
    acid Mg : 0.000 0.000 Thiamin
    Mg : 0.401 0.576 Riboflavin
    Mg : 0.093 0.049 Niacin Mg :
    5.091 4.192 Vitamin B6 Mg :
    0.509 0.164 Folacin Mcg:
    20.000 8.000 Vitamin B12 Mcg:
    0.000 0.000

    **************

    No vitamin A, vitamin C and vitamin b12. The frightening
    thing is that vitamin C cannot be created, it must be
    gotten from food. Any diet using these grains as the main
    source of carbohydrates will be deficient of these vitamins
    especially C.

    TC
     
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  2. "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together comprise at
    > least 75% of the world's grain production. It is clear
    > that humanity has become dependent upon cereal grains for
    > the majority of its food supply.

    Yes, if you are poor, grains are your best bet. But there
    are better grains than these. My fav- orite grains--indeed,
    the only grains I eat--are barley and oats. I soak and
    sprout them until their roots about one-quarter or three-
    eighth inch long and then I steam them. You seem to be
    coming around, tcomeau. If you'd like to order some organic
    barley or oats sprouting seeds, try

    http://www.sprouting.com/

    This is Mumm's Sprouting Seeds, located in Canada, but they
    ship overseas. If you would like any tips on how to sprout,
    cook, and pre- pare the seeds, ask on this newsgroup. Aren't
    whole grains wonderful? There's no need to cycle grains
    through animals to enjoy their nu- trition.

    GWC
     
  3. Pizza Gurl

    Pizza Gurl Guest

    Lysine is missing from them all. You missed listing the most
    important nutrients, the building blocks of all human flesh,
    amino acids.

    "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together comprise at
    > least 75% of the world's grain production. It is clear
    > that humanity has become dependent upon cereal grains for
    > the majority of its food supply.
    >
    > Nutritional Content of Wheats Nutritional Data
    > Wheat Wheat Wheat for 100 grams Hard Hard Soft
    > Wheat Wheat Wheat Red Red Red Hard Soft Name Unit
    > Durum Winter Spring Winter White White Food energy
    > KCal: 339 327 329 331 342 340 Protein Gms: 13.68
    > 12.61 15.4 10.35 11.31 10.69 Total lipid (fat)
    > Gms: 2.47 1.54 1.92 1.56 1.71 1.99 Carbohydrate,
    > by diff. Gms: 71.13 71.18 68.03 74.24 75.9 75.36
    > Total saturated fat Gms: 0.454 0.269 0.314 0.289
    > 0.277 0.368 Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms: 0.344 0.2
    > 0.303 0.178 0.203 0.227 Ttl polyunsaturated fat
    > Gms: 0.978 0.627 0.765 0.656 0.75 0.837
    > Cholesterol Mg: 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sodium Mg: 2 2 2 2 2 2
    > Total dietary fiber Gms: 12.6 12.6 Vitamin A Re: 0
    > 0 0 0 0 0 Vitamin A IU: 0 0 0 0 0 0 Alpha
    > tocopherol Mg: Ascorbic acid Mg: 0 0 0 0 0 0
    > Thiamin Mg: 0.419 0.383 0.504 0.394 0.387 0.41
    > Riboflavin Mg: 0.121 0.115 0.11 0.096 0.108 0.107
    > Niacin Mg: 6.738 5.464 5.71 4.8 4.381 4.766
    > Vitamin B6 Mg: 0.419 0.3 0.336 0.272 0.368 0.378
    > Folacin Mcg: 43.3 38 43 41 37.6 40.6 Vitamin B12
    > Mcg: 0 0 0 0 0 0
    >
    >
    > Nutritional Content of Corn and Cornmeal
    >
    > Nutritional Data Cornmeal for 100 grams Corn Flour self
    > rising Whole Grain Bolted Plain Corn Corn Yellow/ Enriched
    > Name Unit Dry Yellow Yellow Yellow Food energy KCal: 357
    > 365 361 334 Protein Gms: 7.46 9.42 6.93 8.28 Total lipid
    > (fat) Gms: 2.08 4.74 3.86 3.4 Carbohydrate, by diff Gms:
    > 79.26 74.26 76.85 70.28 Total saturated fat gms: 0.29
    > 0.667 0.543 0.478 Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms: 0.543 1.251
    > 1.018 0.897 Ttl polyunsaturated fat Gms: 0.924 2.163 1.759
    > 1.55 Cholesterol Mg: 0 0 0 0 Sodium Mg: 3 35 5 1247 Total
    > dietary fiber Gms: 11 47 13.4 Vitamin A Re: 17 47 47 47
    > Vitamin A IU: 170 469 469 469 Thiamin Mg: 0.231 0.385
    > 0.246 0.661 Riboflavin Mg: 0.087 0.201 0.08 0.4 Niacin Mg:
    > 2.43 3.627 1.9 5.291 Vitamin B6 Mg: 0.206 0.622 0.37 0.54
    > Folacin Mcg: 25 19 25 57 Vitamin B12 Mcg: 0 0 0 0
    >
    >
    > Nutritional Content of Rice for 100 Grams.
    >
    > Rice Rice Brown White
    > Nutrient Unit ------- -------
    > Food energy KCal: 370.000
    > 365.000 Protein Gms: 7.940
    > 7.130 Total lipid (fat)
    > Gms: 2.920 0.660
    > Carbohydrate, by diff. Gms:
    > 77.240 79.950 Total
    > saturated fat Gms: 0.584
    > 0.180 Ttl monounsaturated
    > fat Gms: 1.056 0.206 Ttl
    > polyunsaturated fat Gms:
    > 1.044 0.177 Cholesterol Mg
    > : 0.000 0.000 Sodium Mg :
    > 7.000 5.000 Total dietary
    > fiber Gms: 3.500 1.300
    > Vitamin A Re : 0.000 0.000
    > Vitamin A IU : 0.000 0.000
    > Alpha tocopherol Mg : 0.680
    > 0.110 Ascorbic acid Mg :
    > 0.000 0.000 Thiamin Mg :
    > 0.401 0.576 Riboflavin Mg :
    > 0.093 0.049 Niacin Mg :
    > 5.091 4.192 Vitamin B6 Mg :
    > 0.509 0.164 Folacin Mcg:
    > 20.000 8.000 Vitamin B12
    > Mcg: 0.000 0.000
    >
    > **************
    >
    > No vitamin A, vitamin C and vitamin b12. The frightening
    > thing is that vitamin C cannot be created, it must be
    > gotten from food. Any diet using these grains as the main
    > source of carbohydrates will be deficient of these
    > vitamins especially C.
    >
    > TC
     
  4. Pizza Gurl

    Pizza Gurl Guest

    Most grains cause agglutination of many blood types invitro

    "George W. Cherry"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]_s01...
    >
    > "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together comprise
    > > at least 75% of the world's grain production. It is
    > > clear that humanity has become dependent upon cereal
    > > grains for the majority of its food supply.
    >
    > Yes, if you are poor, grains are your best bet. But there
    > are better grains than these. My fav- orite grains--
    > indeed, the only grains I eat--are barley and oats. I soak
    > and sprout them until their roots about one-quarter or three-
    > eighth inch long and then I steam them. You seem to be
    > coming around, tcomeau. If you'd like to order some
    > organic barley or oats sprouting seeds, try
    >
    > http://www.sprouting.com/
    >
    > This is Mumm's Sprouting Seeds, located in Canada, but
    > they ship overseas. If you would like any tips on how to
    > sprout, cook, and pre- pare the seeds, ask on this
    > newsgroup. Aren't whole grains wonderful? There's no need
    > to cycle grains through animals to enjoy their nu-
    > trition.
    >
    > GWC
     
  5. Tcomeau

    Tcomeau Guest

    "George W. Cherry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s01>...
    > "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together comprise
    > > at least 75% of the world's grain production. It is
    > > clear that humanity has become dependent upon cereal
    > > grains for the majority of its food supply.
    >
    > Yes, if you are poor, grains are your best bet. But there
    > are better grains than these. My fav- orite grains--
    > indeed, the only grains I eat--are barley and oats. I soak
    > and sprout them until their roots about one-quarter or three-
    > eighth inch long and then I steam them. You seem to be
    > coming around, tcomeau. If you'd like to order some
    > organic barley or oats sprouting seeds, try
    >
    > http://www.sprouting.com/
    >
    > This is Mumm's Sprouting Seeds, located in Canada, but
    > they ship overseas. If you would like any tips on how to
    > sprout, cook, and pre- pare the seeds, ask on this
    > newsgroup. Aren't whole grains wonderful? There's no need
    > to cycle grains through animals to enjoy their nu-
    > trition.
    >
    > GWC

    Cereals are deficient in vitamins A, D and C. Barley and
    oats are as well.

    Barley amount 1.00 cup total weight 200.00 g Basic
    Components nutrient amount %DV calories 270.00 calories
    from fat 19.44 calories from saturated fat 3.64 protein
    7.42 g carbohydrates 59.40 g dietary fiber 13.60 g 68.00
    soluble fiber 2.76 g insoluble fiber 10.84 g sugar - total
    1.40 g monosaccharides 0.00 g disaccharides 0.00 g other
    carbs 44.40 g fat - total 2.16 g saturated fat 0.40 g mono
    fat 0.28 g poly fat 1.22 g trans fatty acids 0.00 g
    cholesterol 0.00 mg water 130.44 g ash 0.60 g Vitamins
    nutrient amount %DV vitamin A IU 0.00 IU 0.00 vitamin A RE
    0.00 RE A - carotenoid 0.00 RE 0.00 A - retinol 0.00 RE A -
    beta carotene 0.00 mcg thiamin - B1 0.16 mg 14.55
    riboflavin - B2 0.06 mg 5.45 niacin - B3 2.84 mg 20.29
    niacin equiv 4.90 mg vitamin B6 0.18 mg 13.85 vitamin B12
    0.00 mcg 0.00 biotin 0.00 mcg 0.00 vitamin C 0.00 mg 0.00
    vitamin D IU 0.00 IU 0.00 vitamin D mcg 0.00 mcg vitamin E
    alpha equiv 1.20 mg 8.00 vitamin E IU 1.78 IU vitamin E mg
    3.12 mg folate 16.18 mcg 4.04 vitamin K 0.46 mcg 0.73
    pantothenic acid 0.50 mg 10.00

    Oats, Whole Grain amount 1.00 cup total weight 234.00 g
    Basic Components nutrient amount %DV calories 145.08
    calories from fat 21.06 calories from saturated fat 3.79
    protein 6.08 g carbohydrates 25.27 g dietary fiber 3.98 g
    19.90 soluble fiber 2.34 g insoluble fiber 1.64 g sugar -
    total 0.94 g monosaccharides g disaccharides g other carbs
    20.36 g fat - total 2.34 g saturated fat 0.42 g mono fat
    0.75 g poly fat 0.87 g trans fatty acids g cholesterol 0.00
    mg water 199.60 g ash 0.70 g Vitamins nutrient amount %DV
    vitamin A IU 37.44 IU 0.94 vitamin A RE 4.68 RE A -
    carotenoid 4.68 RE 0.09 A - retinol 0.00 RE A - beta
    carotene mcg thiamin - B1 0.26 mg 23.64 riboflavin - B2 0.05
    mg 4.55 niacin - B3 0.30 mg 2.14 niacin equiv 1.71 mg
    vitamin B6 0.05 mg 3.85 vitamin B12 0.00 mcg 0.00 biotin mcg
    0.00 vitamin C 0.00 mg 0.00 vitamin D IU 0.00 IU 0.00
    vitamin D mcg 0.00 mcg vitamin E alpha equiv 0.23 mg 1.53
    vitamin E IU 0.35 IU vitamin E mg 0.23 mg folate 9.36 mcg
    2.34 vitamin K mcg 0.00 pantothenic acid 0.47 mg 9.40

    The best use for cereals is to feed animals and then eat
    the animals.

    TC
     
  6. "Pizza Gurl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Most grains cause agglutination of many blood types
    > invitro

    Actually, dear, I don't eat "grains". I eat seedlings, that
    is, sprouted grains, as I explain below.

    > "George W. Cherry"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]_s01...
    > >
    > > "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together comprise
    > > > at least 75% of the world's grain production. It is
    > > > clear that humanity has become dependent upon cereal
    > > > grains for the majority of its food supply.
    > >
    > > Yes, if you are poor, grains are your best bet. But
    > > there are better grains than these. My fav- orite grains--
    > > indeed, the only grains I eat--are barley and oats. I
    > > soak and sprout them until their roots about one-quarter
    > > or three-eighth inch long and then I steam them. You
    > > seem to be coming around, tcomeau. If you'd like to
    > > order some organic barley or oats sprouting seeds, try
    > >
    > > http://www.sprouting.com/
    > >
    > > This is Mumm's Sprouting Seeds, located in Canada, but
    > > they ship overseas. If you would like any tips on how to
    > > sprout, cook, and pre- pare the seeds, ask on this
    > > newsgroup. Aren't whole grains wonderful? There's no
    > > need to cycle grains through animals to enjoy their nu-
    > > trition.
    > >
    > > GWC
    > >
    >
     
  7. ddunfee

    ddunfee Guest

    Fermented foods are great, life style is a personal choice,
    one can take nutritianal info into account if desired.
    Humans eat/have eaten whatever surrounds them, we were
    designed to do so. The "problems" you mention don't seem to
    be the norm in those parts of the world where the diet is
    75 percent refined carbs. I think the low carb gospel will
    soon catch up to reality as some serious research is now
    being done.

    >I guess we were meant to have run away yeast based
    >digestion systems then. Diarrhea, constipation, bloating
    >and big fat guts were meant to be.
    >
    >
    ><[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >net.com...
    >> "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    >>
    >> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    >>
    >> Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    >> rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    >> such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in the
    >> charts are quite high in the sprout forms of plants,
    >> remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of the devil.
     
  8. markd

    markd Guest

    I see my role as setting the feet firmly on the ground
    based on research evidence questions and answers as applied
    to nutrition.. There is no new paradymn demonstrated, only
    some wishful thinking and marketing fluff by some authors
    of diet books. Get over it, carbs are not evil. "Better"
    with regard to what evidence based benchmark is the
    question. The assumption that carbs/grains/beans are
    assumed bad one only need then show sprouts are in some
    ways similar is an empty exercise.

    >> "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    >>
    >> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    >>
    >> Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    >> rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    >> such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in the
    >> charts are quite high in the sprout forms of plants,
    >> remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of the devil.
    >
    >Sometimes the words give it away. Sprouts are not a whole
    >lot better *relative* to the *grain*.
    >
    >You appear to be arguing and critiquing for no other
    >reason than to be arguing and critiquing. Either you are
    >way too uptight for no reason at all or you have a fiscal
    >interest in opposing the new paradigm in nutrtional
    >science. Which is it?
    >
    >TC
     
  9. markd

    markd Guest

    Ah, I now know the error of my ways, it is my belief system,
    I picked the wrong nutritional guru at whose feet to
    worship. No wait, an idea is forming, yes, here it is, due
    to my present iron/carb status how else could I behave but
    to be in such a poor state of understanding, to fail to
    grasp the golden thread of the master and be led into
    nutritional lala land.

    >> I see my role as setting the feet firmly on the ground
    >> based on research evidence questions and answers as
    >> applied to nutrition..
    >
    >Then you have failed. Miserably, I may add.
    >
    >There is no new
    >> paradymn demonstrated, only some wishful thinking and
    >> marketing fluff by some authors of diet books.
    >
    >You believe what you want to believe, the rest of us will
    >live in the real world.
    >
    >> Get over it, carbs are not evil.
    >
    >I've never said that.
    >
    >> "Better" with regard to what evidence based benchmark is
    >> the question.
    >
    >No it is not. The last post was comparing sprouts to
    >grains. Pretty damned straightforward for those of us who
    >aren't mentally retarded.
    >
    >> The assumption that carbs/grains/beans are assumed bad
    >> one only need then show sprouts are in some ways similar
    >> is an empty exercise.
    >
    >Carbs, grains and beans are not the same and I have never
    >lumped them together as if they were the same. That is a
    >construct of your mentally deficient imagination,
    >paraphrasing an idiot, an empty exercise.
    >
    >Your posts offer nothing to any of these discussions.
    >Consider yourself killfiled.
    >
    >TC
    >
    >
    >>
    >> >> "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    >> >>
    >> >> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    >> >>
    >> >> Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    >> >> rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    >> >> such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in
    >> >> the charts are quite high in the sprout forms of
    >> >> plants, remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of
    >> >> the devil.
    >> >
    >> >Sometimes the words give it away. Sprouts are not a
    >> >whole lot better *relative* to the *grain*.
    >> >
    >> >You appear to be arguing and critiquing for no other
    >> >reason than to be arguing and critiquing. Either you are
    >> >way too uptight for no reason at all or you have a
    >> >fiscal interest in opposing the new paradigm in
    >> >nutrtional science. Which is it?
    >> >
    >> >TC
     
  10. markd

    markd Guest

    Ah, but an apple is neither a grain or bean, it is a highly
    carb laden fancy bobble, a tool of the devil for sure.

    >> plants, remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of
    >> the devil.
    >
    >Are you sure? : o ) Didn't the devil in the form of a
    >serpent persuade Eve to eat an apple?
     
  11. Tcomeau

    Tcomeau Guest

    Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:

    http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html

    TC

    "George W. Cherry"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:<[email protected]_s52>...
    > "Pizza Gurl" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:c-
    > [email protected]
    > > Most grains cause agglutination of many blood types
    > > invitro
    >
    > Actually, dear, I don't eat "grains". I eat seedlings,
    > that is, sprouted grains, as I explain below.
    >
    > > "George W. Cherry"
    > > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > message news:[email protected]_s01...
    > > >
    > > > "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message ne-
    > > > ws:[email protected]
    > > > > Three cereals: wheat, maize and rice together
    > > > > comprise at least 75% of the world's grain
    > > > > production. It is clear that humanity has become
    > > > > dependent upon cereal grains for the majority of its
    > > > > food supply.
    > > >
    > > > Yes, if you are poor, grains are your best bet. But
    > > > there are better grains than these. My fav- orite grains--
    > > > indeed, the only grains I eat--are barley and oats. I
    > > > soak and sprout them until their roots about one-
    > > > quarter or three-eighth inch long and then I steam
    > > > them. You seem to be coming around, tcomeau. If you'd
    > > > like to order some organic barley or oats sprouting
    > > > seeds, try
    > > >
    > > > http://www.sprouting.com/
    > > >
    > > > This is Mumm's Sprouting Seeds, located in Canada, but
    > > > they ship overseas. If you would like any tips on how
    > > > to sprout, cook, and pre- pare the seeds, ask on this
    > > > newsgroup. Aren't whole grains wonderful? There's no
    > > > need to cycle grains through animals to enjoy their
    > > > nu- trition.
    > > >
    > > > GWC
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
     
  12. Tcomeau

    Tcomeau Guest

    [email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I see my role as setting the feet firmly on the ground
    > based on research evidence questions and answers as
    > applied to nutrition..

    Then you have failed. Miserably, I may add.

    There is no new
    > paradymn demonstrated, only some wishful thinking and
    > marketing fluff by some authors of diet books.

    You believe what you want to believe, the rest of us will
    live in the real world.

    > Get over it, carbs are not evil.

    I've never said that.

    > "Better" with regard to what evidence based benchmark is
    > the question.

    No it is not. The last post was comparing sprouts to grains.
    Pretty damned straightforward for those of us who aren't
    mentally retarded.

    > The assumption that carbs/grains/beans are assumed bad one
    > only need then show sprouts are in some ways similar is an
    > empty exercise.

    Carbs, grains and beans are not the same and I have never
    lumped them together as if they were the same. That is a
    construct of your mentally deficient imagination,
    paraphrasing an idiot, an empty exercise.

    Your posts offer nothing to any of these discussions.
    Consider yourself killfiled.

    TC

    >
    > >> "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > >>
    > >> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > >>
    > >> Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    > >> rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    > >> such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in
    > >> the charts are quite high in the sprout forms of
    > >> plants, remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of
    > >> the devil.
    > >
    > >Sometimes the words give it away. Sprouts are not a whole
    > >lot better *relative* to the *grain*.
    > >
    > >You appear to be arguing and critiquing for no other
    > >reason than to be arguing and critiquing. Either you are
    > >way too uptight for no reason at all or you have a fiscal
    > >interest in opposing the new paradigm in nutrtional
    > >science. Which is it?
    > >
    > >TC
     
  13. Pizza Gurl

    Pizza Gurl Guest

    Fermented foods meaning "breads" and other fermented,
    yeasted grains?

    <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    net.com...
    >
    > Fermented foods are great, life style is a personal
    > choice, one can take nutritianal info into account if
    > desired. Humans eat/have eaten whatever surrounds them, we
    > were designed to do so. The "problems" you mention don't
    > seem to be the norm in those parts of the world where the
    > diet is 75 percent refined carbs. I think the low carb
    > gospel will soon catch up to reality as some serious
    > research is now being done.
    >
    >
    > >I guess we were meant to have run away yeast based
    > >digestion systems
    then.
    > >Diarrhea, constipation, bloating and big fat guts were
    > >meant to be.
    > >
    > >
    > ><[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > >net.com...
    > >> "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > >>
    > >> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > >>
    > >> Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    > >> rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    > >> such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in
    > >> the charts are quite high in the sprout forms of
    > >> plants, remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of
    > >> the devil.
     
  14. Pizza Gurl

    Pizza Gurl Guest

    Maybe we can sell him a watch?

    "George W. Cherry"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]_s04...
    >
    > "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > [email protected] wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > > >
    > > > http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > > >
    > > > Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    > > > rhetoric, to
    be
    > > > able to say anything substantive about such things.
    > > > Many of the
    antiox
    > > > goodies not shown in the charts are quite high in the
    > > > sprout forms of plants, remember grains/beans are
    > > > plants, not tools of the devil.
    > >
    > > Sometimes the words give it away. Sprouts are not a
    > > whole lot better *relative* to the *grain*.
    >
    > The link you supplied shows that sprouts are many times
    > richer in vital nutrients. Can you read the "Sprouts/Seeds
    > Nutritional Ratio" column? Your author has a great deal
    > more work to do on you-- you are still a mediocre program.
    > As an Artificial Intelligence program, you are circa 1960.
    > Get help from a competent AI programmer.
    >
    > GWC
     
  15. Tcomeau

    Tcomeau Guest

    "George W. Cherry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s04>...
    > "tcomeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > [email protected] wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > > >
    > > > http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > > >
    > > > Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    > > > rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    > > > such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in
    > > > the charts are quite high in the sprout forms of
    > > > plants, remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of
    > > > the devil.
    > >
    > > Sometimes the words give it away. Sprouts are not a
    > > whole lot better *relative* to the *grain*.
    >
    > The link you supplied shows that sprouts are many times
    > richer in vital nutrients. Can you read the "Sprouts/Seeds
    > Nutritional Ratio" column? Your author has a great deal
    > more work to do on you-- you are still a mediocre program.
    > As an Artificial Intelligence program, you are circa 1960.
    > Get help from a competent AI programmer.
    >
    > GWC

    Many times a small amount is still a small amount. Sprouts
    are infinitely better in many ways to the grain themselves
    but they are still no panacea.

    TC
     
  16. Wolfbrother

    Wolfbrother Guest

    "George W. Cherry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s53>...
    > [email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]
    > net.com>...
    > > "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > >
    > > http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > >
    > > Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    > > rhetoric, to be able to say anything substantive about
    > > such things. Many of the antiox goodies not shown in the
    > > charts are quite high in the sprout forms of plants,
    > > remember grains/beans are plants, not tools of the
    > > devil.
    >
    > Are you sure? : o ) Didn't the devil in the form of a
    > serpent persuade Eve to eat an apple?

    Heheh, now that is funny. Tools of the devil indeed.
     
  17. Pizza Gurl

    Pizza Gurl Guest

    How do you like them apples?

    "Wolfbrother" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "George W. Cherry"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:<[email protected]_s53>...
    > > [email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]
    > > net.com>...
    > > > "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > > >
    > > > http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > > >
    > > > Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark, not
    > > > rhetoric, to
    be
    > > > able to say anything substantive about such things.
    > > > Many of the
    antiox
    > > > goodies not shown in the charts are quite high in the
    > > > sprout forms of plants, remember grains/beans are
    > > > plants, not tools of the devil.
    > >
    > > Are you sure? : o ) Didn't the devil in the form of a
    > > serpent persuade Eve to eat an apple?
    >
    > Heheh, now that is funny. Tools of the devil indeed.
     
  18. Other things that are fermented are black tea, sauerkraut,
    wine, beer, mead, hard cider, some pickles, green olives,
    black olives, coffee, cacao, citron, vinegar, food yeast,
    yeast cultures, soy sauce, miso, tamari sauce, tempeh,
    chinese red yeast, natto, tofu, fermented wheat gluten aka
    minchin, idli, poi, fermented fish, chinese preserved eggs,
    sour cream, some cheeses, kefir, skyr, taette, yogurt,
    acidophilus milk, and buttermilk.

    Note also that other vegetables such as spinach, chard, beet
    greens, mustard greens, turnip greens are prepared in a
    manner like that of sauerkraut. Green tomatoes can be
    fermented in a manner that is similar but slower.

    I couldn't resist as the book was within reach........
    ...............................................William A.
    Noyes

    - "Pizza Gurl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Fermented foods meaning "breads" and other fermented,
    > yeasted grains?
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > net.com...
    > >
    > > Fermented foods are great, life style is a personal
    > > choice, one can take nutritianal info into account if
    > > desired. Humans eat/have eaten
    whatever
    > > surrounds them, we were designed to do so. The
    > > "problems" you mention don't seem to be the norm in
    > > those parts of the world where the diet is
    75
    > > percent refined carbs. I think the low carb gospel will
    > > soon catch up
    to
    > > reality as some serious research is now being done.
    > >
    > >
    > > >I guess we were meant to have run away yeast based
    > > >digestion systems
    > then.
    > > >Diarrhea, constipation, bloating and big fat guts were
    > > >meant to be.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > ><[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > > >net.com...
    > > >> "Sprouts are not a whole lot better than the grain:
    > > >>
    > > >> http://waltonfeed.com/grain/sprtnutr.html"
    > > >>
    > > >> Relative to what? One needs an accepted benchmark,
    > > >> not rhetoric, to
    be
    > > >> able to say anything substantive about such things.
    > > >> Many of the
    antiox
    > > >> goodies not shown in the charts are quite high in the
    > > >> sprout forms of plants, remember grains/beans are
    > > >> plants, not tools of the devil.
     
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