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  1. Barry Gaudet

    Barry Gaudet Guest

    Apologies for being off topic but this is downright spooky.

    From the world Health Organizations List of Acute Respiratory and then Severe Acute Respiratory
    Syndrome updates; starting in 1999 in Afghanistan. Note the timeline and progression

    http://www.who.int/disease-outbreak-news/disease/SY02.htm

    Here is the list of alerts in reverse chronological order

    Reading the actual alerts is definitely spooky.

    Draw your own conclusions.

    2003 21 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 35 19 Apr
    2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 34 18 Apr 2003 Severe
    Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 33 17 Apr 2003 Severe Acute
    respiratory syndrome (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 32 16 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory
    syndrome (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 31 15 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome
    (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 30 14 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 29 12 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 28 11 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 27 10 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 26 9 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 25 8 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 24 7 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 23 5 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 22 4 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 21 3 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 20 2 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 17 2 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 18 2 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 19 1 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 16 31 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 15 29 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 14 28 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 13 27 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 12 27 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 11 26 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 10 25 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 9 24 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 8 22 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 7 21 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 6 20 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 5 19 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 4 18 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 3 17 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 2 16 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -
    multi-country outbreak- Update 15 Mar 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) - multi-country
    outbreak 12 Mar 2003 Acute respiratory syndrome in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China
    20 Feb 2003 Acute respiratory syndrome in China - Update 3 14 Feb 2003 Acute respiratory syndrome in
    China - Update 2 12 Feb 2003 Acute respiratory syndrome in China - Update 11 Feb 2003 Acute
    respiratory syndrome in China

    2002 20 Dec 2002 Acute respiratory syndrome in Democratic Republic of the Congo - Update 2 12 Dec
    2002 Acute respiratory syndrome in Democratic Republic of the Congo - Update 29 Nov 2002 Acute
    respiratory syndrome in Democratic Republic of the Congo 5 Aug 2002 Acute respiratory syndrome in
    Madagascar 3 May 2002 Acute respiratory syndrome in Greece - Update 2 26 Apr 2002 Acute respiratory
    syndrome in Greece - Update 25 Apr 2002 Acute respiratory syndrome in Greece

    1999 1 Mar 1999 Acute respiratory infection in Afghanistan, Updat

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  2. Doug Kanter

    Doug Kanter Guest

    "Barry Gaudet" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Apologies for being off topic but this is downright spooky.
    >
    > From the world Health Organizations List of Acute Respiratory and then Severe Acute Respiratory
    > Syndrome updates; starting in 1999 in Afghanistan. Note the timeline and progression
    >
    > http://www.who.int/disease-outbreak-news/disease/SY02.htm
    >
    > Here is the list of alerts in reverse chronological order
    >
    > Reading the actual alerts is definitely spooky.
    >
    > Draw your own conclusions.
    >
    > 2003 21 Apr 2003 Severe Acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) - multi-country outbreak- Update 35

    Assuming the virus was not designed in a laboratory by someone nasty, I don't find anything spooky
    about it. It's doing what viruses do. And, it's doing it more quickly in 3rd world countries,
    where various factors may keep governments from reacting correctly. What *I* find spooky is that
    the Chinese still follow their bullsh*t code of secrecy. There ought to be some sort of hideous
    public punishment for the officials responsible for not releasing every bit of information they
    had to the rest of the world. Perhaps something only slightly milder could be arranged for a few
    Canadians who were interviewed on NPR last week, saying they didn't think any part of their
    religious services should be altered because of the disease. They were OK with sharing a wine
    chalice and having their entire congregation kiss the same crucifix. Apparently, fully functional
    minds prevailed in some churches.
     
  3. I'm going over to SE ASia in a weeks time for a three month bike ride. I'm not really worried. What
    with the huge poulation density in places like Hong Kong and Singapore and there's still only been a
    hundred or so deaths, I figure I'm much more likely to get hit by a bus.

    --
    Cheers Damian Harvey

    This space reserved for standard disclaimer, witty quote, plug for own business in caps and large,
    bad ASCII art.
     
  4. Jpfler

    Jpfler Guest

    >Damian Harvey wrote:

    >I'm not really worried. What with the huge poulation density in places like Hong Kong and
    >Singapore and there's still only been a hundred or so deaths, I figure I'm much more likely to get
    >hit by a bus.

    Full of people with SARS.

    Jim
     
  5. "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > Assuming the virus was not designed in a laboratory by someone nasty, I don't find anything spooky
    > about it. It's doing what viruses do. And, it's doing it more quickly in 3rd world countries,
    > where various factors may keep governments from reacting correctly. What *I* find spooky is that
    > the Chinese still follow their bullsh*t code of secrecy.

    That bullshit code of secrecy maintains the Communist Party in power and ensures its
    legitimacy....The maintenance of your power, in any system, is always more important than your
    concern for your subjects. Democratic systems minimise this by making the maintenance of power
    explicitly contingent on at least some concern or consultation with the governed.

    Not a defense of the CCP, merely an elucidation of their internal logic.

    >There ought to be some sort of hideous public punishment for the officials responsible for not
    >releasing every bit of information they had to the rest of the world. Perhaps something only
    >slightly milder could be arranged for a few Canadians who were interviewed on NPR last week, saying
    >they didn't think any part of their religious services should be altered because of the disease.
    >They were OK with sharing a wine chalice and having their entire congregation kiss the same
    >crucifix. Apparently, fully functional minds prevailed in some churches.

    Nobody compels you to venerate the cross by kissing it, nor has anybody compelled anybody else to
    drink from the chalice since the days of Jan Hus and the Utraquists.

    -Luigi "Ubi in Roma, fac ut Romani" -S. Beda
     
  6. Doug Kanter

    Doug Kanter Guest

    "Luigi de Guzman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    > Nobody compels you to venerate the cross by kissing it, nor has anybody compelled anybody else to
    > drink from the chalice since the days of Jan Hus and the Utraquists.
    >
    > -Luigi "Ubi in Roma, fac ut Romani" -S. Beda

    Nobody compels you or I, but there are still people who live in fear of violating church rules or
    changing traditions. Sad, but true.
     
  7. Doug Kanter

    Doug Kanter Guest

    "Chris Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 24 Apr 2003 06:01:51 -0700, [email protected] (Luigi de Guzman) wrote...
    >
    > (snip)
    > >That bullshit code of secrecy maintains the Communist Party in power and ensures its
    > >legitimacy....The maintenance of your power, in any system, is always more important than your
    > >concern for your subjects. Democratic systems minimise this by making the maintenance of power
    > >explicitly contingent on at least some concern or consultation with the governed.
    >
    > Get your politics right Luigi. China is not a communist state (the media could be blamed for this
    > misconception).
    >

    Listen more closely to the news. There are still *plenty* of leftovers, in places of power in China.
    It may not be called a "communist state" any more, but some old habits die hard. Pointless secrecy
    is one of those habits.
     
  8. Chris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message news:

    > Get your politics right Luigi. China is not a communist state (the media could be blamed for this
    > misconception).

    They might not be much for the workers and peasants anymore, but they're still communists. and they
    still have power.

    My Asian Politics supervisor is a china-watcher. He keeps a portrait of Sun Yat-sen in his office.
    It's the easiest way to save offense.

    -Luigi
     
  9. Kirk

    Kirk Guest

  10. <snip>

    > -Luigi "Ubi in Roma, fac ut Romani" -S. Beda

    fac me? fac U! And the ubi you rode in on.
     
  11. On 24 Apr 2003 16:17:03 -0700, [email protected] (Luigi de Guzman) wrote...

    >Chris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
    >
    >> Get your politics right Luigi. China is not a communist state (the media could be blamed for this
    >> misconception).
    >
    >They might not be much for the workers and peasants anymore, but they're still communists. and they
    >still have power.
    >
    >My Asian Politics supervisor is a china-watcher. He keeps a portrait of Sun Yat-sen in his office.
    >It's the easiest way to save offense.

    There never has been a communist state. The same could even be said for democracy. A few people get
    into power and take advantage of the mass populace for their own personal gain / power and that of
    their friends. This happens under so-called 'communist' states, and also so-called 'democracies'.
    Real communists tend to spend most of their time in talking shops, not really getting anywhere. You
    won't find any in positions of power, in China or anywhere else. They may be labelled communists, or
    call themselves communists but they are not. The Communist Manifesto makes for an interesting (if
    outdated) read.

    -Chris
     
  12. Mike Kruger

    Mike Kruger Guest

    "Pbwalther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > >Nobody compels you to venerate the cross by kissing it, nor has anybody compelled anybody else to
    > >drink from the chalice since the days of Jan Hus and the Utraquists.
    > >
    >
    > True. In the Episcopal Church most people seem to think that the
    eucharist
    > somehow kills microbes. I come from a background in the biological
    sciences
    > and the idea of sharing a glass with 150 other people makes my skin crawl
    and
    > that comes from the days when the worst you would get was a cold.

    Our church may have gone a little overboard on this choice issue. There's 4:
    1. Wine in chalice
    2. Small individual, reusable container with wine.
    3. Small individual, reusable container with grape juice, for the young or those avoiding alcohol.
    4. Small individual, reusable container with water.

    Rather few take choice #1 anymore.

    As Pbwalther notes, an old superstition was/is that it would be disorderly for God to allow you to
    be sick from sharing a cup at a worship service, OR that the alcohol provided sufficient protection.
     
  13. Doug Kanter

    Doug Kanter Guest

    "Mike Kruger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    > As Pbwalther notes, an old superstition was/is that it would be disorderly for God to allow you to
    > be sick from sharing a cup at a worship service,
    OR
    > that the alcohol provided sufficient protection.
    >

    Pretty obvious. Wine turns to vinegar pretty quickly. Only a silly person (or a fundamentalist)
    would argue against the presence of microorganisms in the bottle, despite the alcohol.
     
  14. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > >Nobody compels you to venerate the cross by kissing it, nor has anybody compelled anybody else to
    > >drink from the chalice since the days of Jan Hus and the Utraquists.
    > >
    >
    > True. In the Episcopal Church most people seem to think that the eucharist somehow kills microbes.
    > I come from a background in the biological sciences and the idea of sharing a glass with 150 other
    > people makes my skin crawl and that comes from the days when the worst you would get was a cold.
    >

    The trick is to fill it with 100% proof Russian vodka.
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