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  1. Offal

    Jonathan Ray The Spectator

    For some reason - such as sheer bloody-mindedness - a few
    days after his 75th birthday my father announced that he
    could keep up the charade no longer and was coming out as a
    vegetarian. He did add, however, that his particular wing of
    vegetarianism regarded oxtail and oysters as honorary
    vegetables. A few weeks later he widened this dispensation
    to include pig's trotters, especially those in jelly. It
    always seemed rather a capricious diet to me - offal or
    tofu. In any case it proved too much for my mother, who
    skilfully put an end to any further septuagenarian silliness
    by serving him a dish of baked turnip stuffed with semolina.

    I thought of him the other week in France, when I spotted
    tripe à la mode on a menu. Sadly, on ordering, I was told by
    a doleful waiter, 'Alas, monsieur, we are a little low in
    the tripes today.' At least in France it isn't a rarity to
    see offal on a menu or indeed in the supermarkets, whereas
    in these days of sanitised pre-packaged meat it is virtually
    impossible to find decent offal in England. Even chickens
    don't come with their giblets any more.

    Since sampling his sublime homemade sausages I've been
    cultivating our local butcher, and I got terribly excited
    when I saw a tray of pig's trotters in his window. I bought
    four - at 30p each - although I wasn't quite sure what I
    was going to do with them. My wife finally agreed to pop
    them into some cassoulet she had spent the best part of a
    week preparing, but confessed to finding them rather grim
    to handle. And this from a girl whose mum boils pigs' heads
    for brawn!

    Apart from at my in-laws, I have yet to find a better place
    for offal than the Smithfield restaurant St John, co-owned
    by the guru of nose-to-tail eating, Fergus Henderson, whom I
    joined for lunch last week. I suppose that a throbbing
    hangover is not the most sensible of conditions in which to
    approach a meal consisting of extreme examples of offal - a
    word which refers to the organs and extremities of a beast -
    and I did rather regret my kümmel-swilling of the previous
    night. The sight of two dead sucking pigs in the open
    kitchen, lying pale and waxy on the slab, their stomachs
    slit open ready to receive a serious stuffing, did stop me
    briefly in my tracks, as did Fergus's whispered promise, 'We
    have rather a nice bit of pig's spleen up our sleeve for the
    first course.'

    A glass of Ruinart, combined with Fergus's infectious
    enthusiasm for all things offal, helped me to get a grip as
    I studied the menu and I suddenly realised that I was
    remarkably hungry. Having had no problem deciding on my main
    course, I allowed myself to be goaded by Fergus into
    splitting three starters with him. First up was a plate of
    St John's signature dish, roast bone marrow and parsley
    salad. Taken from the middle leg of a calf, these were five
    or six inches of bone, within the tube of which nestled some
    deliciously jelly-like marrow. I can assure you that there
    is no more pleasurable or efficient a hangover cure than a
    piece of warm, creamy and unctuous marrow, freshly scooped
    from the bone, spread on wholemeal toast and sprinkled
    lightly with rock salt and plenty of flat-leaf parsley.
    Until I ate it I hadn't realised that this is what I had
    been craving all morning. 'Ah, yes,' agreed Fergus, when I
    admitted to my parlous state, confident that I was now on
    the mend. 'Bone marrow does indeed have a remarkably
    steadying and uplifting quality.'

    A tasty confit of pig's tongue in duck fat served with
    shredded celeriac followed, after which I was invited to
    tuck into an elegant 'Swiss roll' of spleen, bacon and
    sage, accompanied by chopped gherkins, red onion and red-
    wine vinegar. 'I can't understand why more people don't eat
    spleen,' said Fergus. 'It's a beautifully behaved organ and
    cruelly overlooked. Nobody minds eating liver, which
    filters heaven-knows-what in the body, but they always
    ignore the spleen.'

    The main course of pigeon and pig's trotter pie is one of
    those dishes that sad people like me dream about when we
    should be having healthy and invigorating dreams about
    Claudia Schiffer. I had three helpings of it, with just
    enough buttered cabbage to keep scurvy at bay. Set under a
    crisp brown lid of fresh suet, the pigeon breasts -
    notorious for being dry - had been kept astonishingly moist
    thanks to what Fergus calls 'trotter gear'. The secret, he
    told me, is to braise some trotters in madeira, chicken
    stock and vegetables until the flesh falls off the bone,
    after which it will set into a gloopily meaty jelly as it
    cools. This jelly, Fergus assured me, is one of the great
    gastronomic tools. Meats prone to drying out, such as pigeon
    and venison, are invariably improved from being cooked in
    it, and it is an obligatory ingredient in coq au vin in the
    Henderson household.

    I swear that Fergus became quite misty-eyed as he spoke of
    his love of offal. 'Chicken necks make great snacks, as does
    sliced ox heart and chips,' he said. 'And there's nothing of
    a pig that you can't use. Indeed, it seems so rude to the
    animal not to eat every bit of it, be it the tongue, heart,
    stomach, spleen, chitterlings, kidneys, snout, ears,
    trotters or tail.'

    I told him that he was making me nostalgic for that great
    English delicacy, the Bath chap - a breadcrumbed piece of
    fatty pig's cheek combined with a sliver of tongue - which I
    had barely seen since my childhood. 'You should have said!'
    exclaimed Fergus. 'We've got Bath chap on the menu at St
    John Bread and Wine in Spitalfields.' A hurried phone call
    to his other establishment confirmed that there was one Bath
    chap left, whereupon I was hustled out of the restaurant and
    into a cab. What finer reason to dash across town than in
    quest of a Bath chap?

    As we sped through the City, we reminisced about our
    favourite dishes and memorable meals with the same hushed
    reverence used by fortysomething soccer nerds to discuss FA
    Cup-winning teams of the 1970s. I recalled some wild boar
    that I had eaten in France as a youngster, on which occasion
    the chef, tickled by my delighted enjoyment, had presented
    me solemnly with the animal's tusks, while Fergus eulogised
    about a birthday breakfast of devilled kidneys and black
    velvet that he had once had in Scotland.

    It was a crushing blow to discover that some rotter had
    nabbed my Bath chap from behind the waiter's back just as he
    was confirming its existence on the phone, and Fergus looked
    utterly bereft on my behalf. 'Never mind,' he consoled me,
    'you must come back again and I'll make sure that the finest
    of all Bath chaps awaits you. Done well, when the cheek has
    done enough exercise and the fat's all creamy and the tongue
    is tender, a Bath chap is like the oyster of a bird, a real
    hidden treasure.'

    And when, I'd like to know, did you last hear someone extol
    a lentil in such terms?

  2. "Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Offal

    Jonathan Ray The Spectator


    <snip>

    A wonderful piece. Thank you. Tomorrow my wife and I are off
    to France for a couple of weeks where we'll celebrate our
    40th in villa in Provence and I have high expectations of
    some adventurous cuisine. The article you posted made me
    salivate disgustingly!!

  3. There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff sed.
    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead
    already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey
    really *is* what it's all about? "][email hidden]

  4. Kate Connally said:


    There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff sed.

    (laughing) Funny.

    nancy

  5. Kate Connally said:


    There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff
    sed. Kate

    --


    LOL clearly you speak a different form of English than I do.
    The two words don't sound alike at all to me when pronounced
    correctly.

  6. LOL! We had liver and onions last night. Best we've made in
    a long while.

    "Kate Connally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff
    sed. Kate

    --
    Kate Connally "If I were as old as I feel, I'd be dead
    already." Goldfish: "The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off." What if the hokey pokey
    really *is* what it's all about? "][email hidden]

  7. Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] writes:

    Tomorrow my wife and I are off to a villa and I have high
    expectations of


    some adventurous cuisine.

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  8. A book about organ meats by Fergus Henderson is being re-
    issued in paperback. It's title is "The Whole Beast: Nose To
    Tail Eating" and a short time ago, there was a commercial on
    the radio station to which I am listening.

    The woman who was talking about the book kept mentioning
    "awful" over and over again and finally I realized that she
    was speaking of "offal", which had just recently been the
    object of a thread on rfc and thus I knew that "awful" is
    the proper pronunciation, not "off-all", the way I had been
    saying it until I read the thread.

    BTW, it was a very good and short review and will appear in
    tomorrow's NYT's Book Review section, with about fourteen
    other very short reviews, including one of Bobby Flay's "Boy
    Gets Grill" .

  9. Arri London said:


    Kate Connally said:


    There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff
    sed. Kate

    --


    LOL clearly you speak a different form of English than I
    do. The two words don't sound alike at all to me when
    pronounced correctly.

    According to the American Heritage dictionary the 1st
    pronunciation of "offal" is exactly the same as the only
    pronunciation of "awful".

    How do you pronounce it?

    Kate
    --
    Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead
    already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey
    really *is* what it's all about? "][email hidden]

  10. Kate Connally said:


    Arri London said:


    Kate Connally said:


    There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff
    sed. Kate

    --


    LOL clearly you speak a different form of English than I
    do. The two words don't sound alike at all to me when
    pronounced correctly.

    According to the American Heritage dictionary the 1st
    pronunciation of "offal" is exactly the same as the only
    pronunciation of "awful".

    How do you pronounce it?

    Kate

    LOL obviously I don't usually speak American English.
    'Offal' would be pronounced with 'al' on the end, perhaps
    like the beginning of 'alarm', and 'awful' would be
    pronounced with the 'ul' at the end, along the lines of
    the beginning of 'under'. Those two sounds are very
    different for me.

    What is the other pronunciation of 'offal' in your American
    dictionary (I only have English dictionaries)?

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff
    sed. Kate

    --

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LOL clearly you speak a different form of English than I
    do. The two words don't sound alike at all to me when
    pronounced correctly.

    According to the American Heritage dictionary the 1st
    pronunciation of "offal" is exactly the same as the only
    pronunciation of "awful".

    How do you pronounce it?

    Kate
    --
    Kate Connally "If I were as old as I feel, I'd be dead
    already." Goldfish: "The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off." What if the hokey pokey
    really *is* what it's all about?

    m-w.comcgi
    bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=offal

    click on the little speaker icon and get an audible
    pronounciation

  12. Arri London said:


    Kate Connally said:


    Arri London said:


    Kate Connally wrote:
    >
    > There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is. 'Nuff
    > sed. Kate
    >
    > --
    >
    LOL clearly you speak a different form of English than
    I do. The two words don't sound alike at all to me
    when pronounced correctly.

    According to the American Heritage dictionary the 1st
    pronunciation of "offal" is exactly the same as the only
    pronunciation of "awful".

    How do you pronounce it?

    Kate

    LOL obviously I don't usually speak American English.
    'Offal' would be pronounced with 'al' on the end, perhaps
    like the beginning of 'alarm', and 'awful' would be
    pronounced with the 'ul' at the end, along the lines of
    the beginning of 'under'. Those two sounds are very
    different for me.

    What is the other pronunciation of 'offal' in your
    American dictionary (I only have English dictionaries)?

    The second pronunciation is with the o pronounced as in pot
    - that is, a short o. Too bad I can't make the diacritical
    marks they use to indicate pronunciation. I think the Amer.
    pronunciation of pot is not too different from the British
    pronunciation. The pronunciation of the vowel in the second
    syllable is the schwa which is usually represented in
    phonetics as an upside down e. In the words you mentioned
    above the first vowel in alarm would be a schwa in Amer.
    Eng. Many vowels in unstressed syllables become a schwa in
    Amer. Eng. The schwa sound is the same as the vowel sound in
    "uh". The second vowel in both offal and awful and the first
    vowel in under are all schwas in Amer. Eng.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead
    already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey
    really *is* what it's all about? "][email hidden]

  13. Kate Connally said:


    Arri London said:


    Kate Connally said:


    Arri London wrote:
    >
    > Kate Connally wrote:
    > >
    > > There's a reason it's pronounce the way it is.
    > > 'Nuff sed. Kate
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > LOL clearly you speak a different form of English
    > than I do. The two words don't sound alike at all to
    > me when pronounced correctly.

    According to the American Heritage dictionary the 1st
    pronunciation of "offal" is exactly the same as the
    only pronunciation of "awful".

    How do you pronounce it?

    Kate

    LOL obviously I don't usually speak American English.
    'Offal' would be pronounced with 'al' on the end,
    perhaps like the beginning of 'alarm', and 'awful' would
    be pronounced with the 'ul' at the end, along the lines
    of the beginning of 'under'. Those two sounds are very
    different for me.

    What is the other pronunciation of 'offal' in your
    American dictionary (I only have English dictionaries)?

    The second pronunciation is with the o pronounced as in
    pot - that is, a short o. Too bad I can't make the
    diacritical marks they use to indicate pronunciation. I
    think the Amer. pronunciation of pot is not too different
    from the British pronunciation.

    Maybe not too different, but it is different. I hear the
    American version as tending towards a short 'a' sound,
    while the British version I use is more of an 'o' sound;
    tighter perhaps.

    The pronunciation of the vowel in the

    Quoted message said:

    second syllable is the schwa which is usually represented
    in phonetics as an upside down e. In the words you
    mentioned above the first vowel in alarm would be a schwa
    in Amer. Eng. Many vowels in unstressed syllables become
    a schwa in Amer. Eng. The schwa sound is the same as the
    vowel sound in "uh". The second vowel in both offal and
    awful and the first vowel in under are all schwas in
    Amer. Eng.

    Kate

    Gotcha!

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