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  1. I know weve talked about this before and a few handy characters have developed their own...The Blue Heelers are now trialling them...

    [font=Century Gothic](Optus home page news today-ABCNews)....[/font]
    [font=Century Gothic]Officers fitted with camera hats
    12:46 PM January 7 [/font]

    [font=Century Gothic][/font][font=Century Gothic]Two Brisbane police officers are trialling the use of cameras in their hats as part of efforts to enforce liquor licensing laws in busy entertainment precincts.[/font]

    [font=Century Gothic]The head-mounted miniature cameras are being worn by the officers in Fortitude Valley and the city centre.[/font]

    [font=Century Gothic]Police say the trial is very limited and there are no plans to extend it.[/font]

    [font=Century Gothic]The move is believed to be an Australian first.[/font]

    Good to see, and this is such a neat device for evidence (please) can some spark/techy produce a model we could all add to our helmets for "evidence" of the transgressors when that witness the Police demand cant be found...

    my digi cam is still a bit big and has limited scope to record only about 8 mins on 1Gig at useful res, and my cam battery wouldnt last a 2 hour ride if on all the time...

    a small CCD and a strong little battery and a microprocessor could be the go...

    anyone! anyone ? ??

  2. rooman said:


    I know weve talked about this before and a few handy characters have
    developed their own...The Blue Heelers are now trialling them...

    (Optus home page news today-ABCNews)....
    -*Officers fitted with camera hats
    *12:46 PM January 7 -

    ---Two Brisbane police officers are trialling the use of cameras in
    their hats as part of efforts to enforce liquor licensing laws in busy
    entertainment precincts.-

    -The head-mounted miniature cameras are being worn by the officers in
    Fortitude Valley and the city centre.-

    -Police say the trial is very limited and there are no plans to extend
    it.-

    -The move is believed to be an Australian first.-

    Fail to see the point of it.
    A sworn officers word on what he saw is as much evidence as a Video on
    court.

  3. In aus.bicycle on Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:14:07 GMT

    RV said:

    A sworn officers word on what he saw is as much evidence as a Video on
    court.

    Because a good lawyer can pick the evidence apart. Remembering after
    a long interval is difficult, and if the witness is uncertain about a
    small detail it is easy enough to cause enough doubt on the rest.

    IF the cop doesn't make good enough notes soon enough, which can be
    hard, then even without the lawyer it can get difficult, especially in
    cases of IDing several drunks having a bit of a blue.

    Zebee

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zebee Johnstone said:

    IF the cop doesn't make good enough notes soon enough

    And a picture is worth a thousand words.

    I was walking near an intersection recently when I saw a motorcycle cop
    put on his light and indicate to the car in front to pull over. The road
    was congested so the guy pulled into a carpark (McDonald's, as it
    happens). The car looked brand new, but there were no number plates
    displayed, trade or otherwise.

    First thing the cop did was reach into a panier, pull out an ordinary
    looking digital camera, and take a photo of the plate-less car.

    --
    Shane Stanley

  5. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:14:07 GMT

    RV said:

    A sworn officers word on what he saw is as much evidence as a Video on
    court.

    Because a good lawyer can pick the evidence apart. Remembering after
    a long interval is difficult, and if the witness is uncertain about a
    small detail it is easy enough to cause enough doubt on the rest.

    IF the cop doesn't make good enough notes soon enough, which can be
    hard, then even without the lawyer it can get difficult, especially in
    cases of IDing several drunks having a bit of a blue.

    Zebee

    Yep...in criminal proceedings cops may (limited by Evidence Act) eg: (sect33CmwlthEv Act 1995) refer to notes only made at the time or soon after the occurance) , so lawyers can attack departures and embellishment to go to quality and honesty of the oral testimony.
    A court is not bound to accept a sworn officer's testimony and will assess weight of evidence - it is often said that h[font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]onest police officers are likely to have their observations and recollection affected by the excitement of the situation.[/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]Police can present the vidcaps to defence lawyers before they get to court to encourage admissions and pleas and reduce sitting times for defended matters. [/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]I am sure this is something they would have considered, not just to corroborate to a court but to hurry things along...[/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]"Some" defendants want to engage police in protracted court process and away from community policing ( common in many areas in Qld, that I do know!)...this might just curtail some of that too![/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]I would hope in the not too distant future,we as bike riders, have this technology too, at an affordable price.[/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]That's why I kicked this off, it would certainly help us when we are faced with no witness and the police have their hands tied by no presentable evidence other than a crumpled body and bike bits and the other party saying " I didnt see him/her!"... (and we would say if we could talk "Oh you mean you didnt look!!")[/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]vid caps... good...sooner the better...the bike rider's "black box"[/font][/font]

  6. In aus.bicycle on Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:53:57 +1100

    rooman said:

    I would hope in the not too distant future,we as bike riders, have this
    technology too, at an affordable price.

    Cheapest I've seen is A$160 which is a camera the size of a single C
    cell torch which saves to an SD card.
    MDrawback is there is no viewer, so you have to have an SD capable
    handheld with you, or strap it to the bike with known good aim and
    hope what you want to see is in its field. It can be strapped to a
    lid, but it's a fraction larger than IU'd really want on a helmet.

    Zebee

  7. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:53:57 +1100

    rooman said:

    I would hope in the not too distant future,we as bike riders, have this
    technology too, at an affordable price.

    Cheapest I've seen is A$160 which is a camera the size of a single C
    cell torch which saves to an SD card.
    MDrawback is there is no viewer, so you have to have an SD capable
    handheld with you, or strap it to the bike with known good aim and
    hope what you want to see is in its field. It can be strapped to a
    lid, but it's a fraction larger than IU'd really want on a helmet.

    Zebee


    Thanks Zeebee, was that at DSE, Jaycar, etc?, would like to check it out...

    I know of the ELMO, here: tinyurl.comygo6v6

    not able to price it in Oz ye, but will search it out...but looks exy! but it does have a preview/review screen and is MPEG4...if pricy might work on doing a home build similar...
    🙂

  8. Torpedo7 advertise a camera that looks like what you are after - no
    idea if it's workable.

    Donga

  9. The Viosport: and some cool stuff at : helmetcameracentral.comhelmetcameracentral.com

    [left]Image in Officers fitted with camera hatsThe defacto “helmet cam” systems for the last 10 years have consisted of simple security camera style lipstick cameras attached to a helmet with wires sprouting forth like vines in a jungle. The "]Viosport system has not eliminated the all the wires, but it has significantly raised the bar for lipstick style camera setups.
    [/left]
    [left]The "]Adventure Cam 3 Helmet Cam camera is Viosport’s flagship external helmet camera. With a shiny silver housing, 520 lines of resolution, spiral stretch cable, quick release connections, and integrated microphone the Viosport Adventure Cam 3 represents a highly refined version of the typical mass produced lipstick style security cameras. Keep in mind that this is NOT a fully integrated system - this means there is an external battery pack with wires and the the camera itself must be attached to a recording device such as a camcorder (not included) with external video inputs. The Adventure Cam 3 helmet cam comes with the camera, AA battery pack, nessecary A/V cables, a camera mount, and a tool kit. The cost: $329.95. Read on for the rest of the review of the Viosport Adventure Cam 3 Helmet Cam system.
    [/left]

  10. These guys are at intersection of Nepean and Centre Rd Brighton (The Eyespyshop) and online at:

    helmetcamera.com.auhome.htm

    start at $299AU for the "Joyride" model of a 420TVL Sony Water Proof bullet camera, but kit doesnt include recording device (need a dig camcorder to hook up to in your back pack or jersey pockets)...still looking

    but they have heaps of bits to make a system up at their shop EyespyShop in Brighton and Adelaide and distributors all over the place...
    check out www.eyespyworld.com.au

  11. rooman said:

    cool, , need to do more work...the ELMO SUV-Cam is $1080 USD ...ech!
    (velly noice, but ...cant see too many on commuters helmets for a
    bit...)

    SUV-cam - is that the one they put in the rear end of the Ford Explorer
    - also known as the 'brown eye'?

    Donga

  12. Courtesy of another cycling-related list (that several folks from Sydney maybe subscribed to)

    Jan 07: Forget building one, try this camera from Oregon Scientific "Action Cam"
    http://bikecam.wiradjuri.net/

  13. cfsmtb said:

    Courtesy of another cycling-related list (that several folks from Sydney maybe subscribed to)

    Jan 07: Forget building one, try this camera from Oregon Scientific "Action Cam"
    bikecam.wiradjuri.netbikecam.wiradjuri.net


    yeah it might be the one Zeebee mentioned, there's another tech revue of it here:
    tinyurl.comyc2j4e

    retails in US for $129USD...so it may be cheaper here than $169 if the dollar hangs in there and there is word of a new model too with better fps and less shudder... but for the doosh seems cool compared to the "brown eye"..

  14. Bleve said:


    What makes you so paranoid that you feel the need to be armed with a
    camera on all the time?

    "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"
    Over the decades, I have experienced enough incidents of assault from
    just rinding along that a video recording of it would be a wonderful
    thing to get fat constable plod off his [censored] and to go out and talk to
    the offender.

    The problem is that the time they sucessfully pull me off my bicycle, I
    am the one who suffers and they get away scott free, even if I get their
    number.

  15. In aus.bicycle on 8 Jan 2007 03:55:44 -0800

    Bleve said:


    Zebee Johnstone said:

    But then it only needs the one.

    You could fit the 'bent with a lightening rod too. Only takes one
    strike ...

    Indeed. And as I know someone who was struck by lightning while
    riding their motorcycle it might be an idea.

    Once the camera's installed then the only hassle would be remembering
    to switch it on. It uses SD cards so just overwrite the old one until
    you need to keep the footage.

    If it doesn't interfere with riding I can't see why someone shouldn't
    do it.

    I have had the camera for some months now and not fitted it yet
    because I haven't had the need. I will eventually fit bentcam so I
    can send Mum some footage of the route I ride. If I catch someone
    doing something stupid to me or someone else then good oh.

    Zebee

  16. --
    Frank
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    Drop DACKS to reply
    "Terryc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden].
    ...

    Quoted message said:
    Bleve said:


    What makes you so paranoid that you feel the need to be armed with a
    camera on all the time?

    "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"
    Over the decades, I have experienced enough incidents of assault from
    just rinding along that a video recording of it would be a wonderful
    thing to get fat constable plod off his [censored] and to go out and talk to
    the offender.

    The problem is that the time they sucessfully pull me off my bicycle, I
    am the one who suffers and they get away scott free, even if I get their
    number.

    Yup - sh1t happens with astonishing regularity.
    Saturday evening in Gosnells, WA, I rode to my shop in Kelmscott to pick up
    a few things. Along a few kms on Corfield St I was yelled at four times, had
    a can and a bottle thrown at me (the bottle hit my bars, smashed, and cut my
    finger) and I was forced off the road. Every car involved had P plates
    displayed.

    I can't help thinking of conversations with the local police I've had: when
    my partner's 13 year old son asked a cop happens when the cop sees a kid
    riding without a helmet, the reply was "We've got more important things to
    do" - needless to say, the young bloke (who previously rigorously wore his
    helmet) now rides bare headed. Another conversation, when my partner's son's
    friend, borrowing son's bike, was pushed off the bike, bashed and the bike
    nicked by members of one of the local problem families: Me: "What are you
    doing about it? We've told you where the bike is, and who stole it!"
    Response: "Do you know how busy we are here?" Me: "If I was bashed and $450
    cash (the cost of the bike) was stolen you'd be treating it as a robbery
    with violence!" Response: " Don't worry about it - it's only a bike. Can't
    you claim it on the insurance?"

    At least two things occur to me: First, the local police seem to think that
    bikes are not important and that bike safety is too trivial to bother with.
    Second, it seems to me that they are making rods for their own backs. By not
    enforcing the "little" laws - like helmet use - they create a culture where
    non-compliance is the norm. That might be relatively harmless in the case of
    kids and helmets, but those kids turn into motorists with an embedded idea
    that non-compliance is OK. The cops have said they are too busy to worry
    about 'minor' stuff. Any wonder the Gossie (and similar areas) are so
    fraught? Motorists expect cyclists to not comply, cyclists expect motorists
    to be abusive - everyone expects 'hoonism'.

    Some time ago an old dear was hassled for money while sitting at a cafe. She
    was pushed to the ground and abused when she didn't hand over a couple of
    dollars. The paper reported that people should be safe when just having a
    cuppa and how sad it is that an elderly woman now feels threatened. My first
    thought was "Gee, I wouldn't go to that cafe - to many hassles in that area"
    Then I checked myself and thought it's even more sad that I (and most
    others) don't expect to feel safe in Gosnells. That's especially true when
    riding in the area - so many incidents and aggression and so little action
    from the police. I don't even bother reporting anymore. Sad, sad, sad.

    Carl - perhaps you are lucky (or I'm unlucky!) to not cop all this cr@p. If
    you lived and/or cycled in one of the areas where policing is so cavalier
    perhaps you'd think differently about wanting to take more personal action,
    like fitting a helmet cam...

    Cheers,

    Frank

  17. Terryc said:

    "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"
    Over the decades, I have experienced enough incidents of assault from
    just rinding along that a video recording of it would be a wonderful
    thing to get fat constable plod off his [censored] and to go out and talk to
    the offender.

    If its any recompense to fellow cyclists, in the 70's & 80's my folks used to carry around a Polaroid instamatic in the glovebox. Why? Well other cars used to literally bounce off the old Valiant Safari and Dad always prefered the "just in case" opinion if a incident went completely t*ts up either at the scene or later with insurance claims.

  18. Plodder (remove DAKS to reply) said:

    --

    Quoted message said:

    Carl - perhaps you are lucky (or I'm unlucky!) to not cop all this cr@p. If
    you lived and/or cycled in one of the areas where policing is so cavalier
    perhaps you'd think differently about wanting to take more personal action,
    like fitting a helmet cam...

    I ride through Dandenong, Rowville etc a lot, and Lilydale, and other
    such places (they're as bad as Gosnells). I've had my share of random
    stuff thrown at me etc, but I still can't see the point of carrying a
    camera around with the level of complexity etc that a helmet camera
    would involve.

  19. In aus.bicycle on 8 Jan 2007 17:40:39 -0800

    Bleve said:


    I ride through Dandenong, Rowville etc a lot, and Lilydale, and other
    such places (they're as bad as Gosnells). I've had my share of random
    stuff thrown at me etc, but I still can't see the point of carrying a
    camera around with the level of complexity etc that a helmet camera
    would involve.

    Depends on the complexity. The simple one I have will fit on the bars
    or the helmet and be no more complex than an LED light running on AAs.

    The setup I'm in the middle of sourcing is more complex as it involves
    a camcorder and probably some GPS info. It's not for possible traffic
    hassles, but for using on the motorcycle to show road design problems
    as part of working with councils anbd traffic engineers.

    I'd not bother with that on a daily basis, but the simple camera would
    be set and forget.

    Zebee

  20. rooman said:

    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]I would hope in the not too distant future,we as bike riders, have this technology too, at an affordable price.[/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]That's why I kicked this off, it would certainly help us when we are faced with no witness and the police have their hands tied by no presentable evidence other than a crumpled body and bike bits and the other party saying " I didnt see him/her!"... (and we would say if we could talk "Oh you mean you didnt look!!")[/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]vid caps... good...sooner the better...the bike rider's "black box"[/font][/font]


    Why isn't this available in cars?

    Think about it. Cars are easily more capable of running this sort of thing than cyclists are yet to the best of my knowledge cameras in cars are very rare.

    Do you think that car drivers would have no use for this sort of thing? Car drivers are almost as likely as cyclists to have accidents so why don't we have black boxes in cars?

    The subtext of my question's basically this: if car drivers aren't using it there are probably reasons for that. Those reasons should be considered before deciding whether it's worth doing for cyclists.

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