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  1. Mirek Fidler said:
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    Because it is way too complicated? Actually, *EXACT* mechanism is not
    known in many other cases - e.g. nobody knows *EXACT* mechanisms that
    are involved in cumbustion engines - but we still can build them and
    measure their fuel consumption.

    How about a general description of the process? You know the cells,
    enzymes, hormones, bio-chemical cascades involved? We know virtually
    everything about the inner workings of every organ and cell in the
    human body,

    Actually, this claim is false. What you perhaps do not understand is
    that we just barely start to know how our bodies work.

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    We know the exact mechanism of how internal combustion engines work.

    Well, general principle maybe, but not exact mechanism.

    You are kidding, right? I am no mechanical engineer but I can describe
    to you exactly how an gasoline internal engine works, with every part
    and every aspect of the process. An engineer can give you specific
    number in terms of compression, bore, stroke, horse power, torque etc.

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    We
    can create hundreds of variant designs of various sizes and
    efficiencies using various types of fuels anytime we want.

    But we can only estimate their real-world behaviour, based on previous
    designs and emprical data and never really know the exact parameters
    before we build them.

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    There is
    abolutely no mystery as to how engines work. It is not a black box and
    neither is our metabolic system.

    Well, try to describe them using quantum mechanics. Even at this level,
    which is not final, you will not be able to solve shrodinger's equations
    and really demonstrate what makes the piston move.

    All of our "knowing" is just estimates. We have quite precise estimates
    about engines, less precise about bodies.

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    That is the problem. Restricting high calorie foods is not the same
    thing as restricting calories.

    But the strategy has always been to cut back high-calorie foods
    (ie.fats) and consume low-calorie foods (ie, carbs). In fact studies
    have shown that since the 1970's people are eating about 10% less fat
    and about 10 or 12% more carbs, on average, and they are fatter than
    ever. Obesity has more than tripled.

    Well, but that is not the same thing as "calories do count" claim, you
    know? We both agree that increasing carbs to fats is the worst thing you
    can do to lose weight.

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    Low carb has been attacked as being silly simply because it encouraged
    the consumption of high calorie fats and discouraged the consumption of
    low-calorie carbs. Scientists were publicly condemning the diet because
    it was supposed to go against the very basic laws of thermodynamics.
    Atkins was a quack because he was purported to be pushing a diet that
    was scientifically impossible.

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    Restricting fats is absolutely synonymous with restricting calories.
    They are one and the same.

    OK, if this is what is "calorie counting" for you, I can agree, but be
    aware that the rest of the world shares completely different definition.
    Perhaps this could explain to you why everybody is arguing you when you
    start your "calories do not count" claims.

    Next time please rather claim that "fat % do not count".

    Mirek


  2. Quoted message said:
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    Well, general principle maybe, but not exact mechanism.

    You are kidding, right? I am no mechanical engineer but I can describe
    to you exactly how an gasoline internal engine works, with every part
    and every aspect of the process. An engineer can give you specific
    number in terms of compression, bore, stroke, horse power, torque etc.

    Yes, but all those numbers are estimates based on approximate models.

    Mirek

  3. Mirek Fidler said:
    Quoted message said:
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    Well, general principle maybe, but not exact mechanism.

    You are kidding, right? I am no mechanical engineer but I can describe
    to you exactly how an gasoline internal engine works, with every part
    and every aspect of the process. An engineer can give you specific
    number in terms of compression, bore, stroke, horse power, torque etc.

    Yes, but all those numbers are estimates based on approximate models.

    Mirek

    That have been confirmed to be accurate and correct and to actually
    work in the real world, and which is successfully applied constantly
    and repeatedly in millions of instances daily.

    Which is infinitely more than can be be said for the calorie concept
    which fails in 95%+ of cases.

    TC

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