Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers

Response to klimek:

Quoted message said:

Just received Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p95&tbv=ORTLIEB_Back_Roller_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags
and actually I don't like the top (there is no lid-its looks
complicated to close the panniers)
Is it better to swap them to the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic?
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p99&tbv=ORTLIEB_Bike_Packer_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags

I certainly wouldn't - I've got Ortlieb rollers, and having no lid makes
it *easier* in my experience to close the panniers - I just roll them up
as much or as little as the contents allow, and click the strap. It
can't get much simpler than that.

I've not used Ortliebs with lids, but I've used lids on other panniers,
and it can be a bit more of a pain getting the lid down, especially if
(like me) you over-fill them. Stick with what you've got, IMHO, they're
possibly the best panniers you can get.

--
Mark, UK
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
sewer and die."

klimek said:

Hallo!!!

Just received Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p95&tbv=ORTLIEB_Back_Roller_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags
and actually I don't like the top (there is no lid-its looks
complicated to close the panniers)
Is it better to swap them to the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic?
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p99&tbv=ORTLIEB_Bike_Packer_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags

I've tried both the Roller and the Bike Packer/Sport Packer, although in my case they are the 'Plus' version with the mesh
pockets.
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p100
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p102

I much prefer the 'lid' fitting although the two draw cords can occasionally need unwrangling.
I like the separate area created under the lid between the first drawcord and the second, which can be used for storing items
required during the day, and small items purchased en-route (aka cakes). The mesh pocket is also a bonus.
I've found the roller top better for packing up and closing, but not so convenient for quick access during a day's ride.

Most use is given to my 30ltr Sport Packer version which I find perfect for cycle-camping, as I find if I use the 40ltr Bike
Packer Plus rather on the large side.

I'd go for the swap.

John B

John B said:

klimek said:

Hallo!!!

Just received Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p95&tbv=ORTLIEB_Back_Roller_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags
and actually I don't like the top (there is no lid-its looks
complicated to close the panniers)
Is it better to swap them to the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic?
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p99&tbv=ORTLIEB_Bike_Packer_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags

I've tried both the Roller and the Bike Packer/Sport Packer, although in my case they are the 'Plus' version with the mesh
pockets.
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p100
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p102

I much prefer the 'lid' fitting although the two draw cords can occasionally need unwrangling.
I like the separate area created under the lid between the first drawcord and the second, which can be used for storing items
required during the day, and small items purchased en-route (aka cakes). The mesh pocket is also a bonus.
I've found the roller top better for packing up and closing, but not so convenient for quick access during a day's ride.

Most use is given to my 30ltr Sport Packer version which I find perfect for cycle-camping, as I find if I use the 40ltr Bike
Packer Plus rather on the large side.

I'd go for the swap.

Or try the Altura Dryline 50s . . .

druidh

klimek said:

Just received Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers
and actually I don't like the top (there is no lid-its looks
complicated to close the panniers)

Try it for a while... I actually find roll-tops easier to use than
lids, especially if you want to over-pack them, and there's no
plink-plink-plink of the straps you've just forgotten to close
knocking against the spokes!

Quoted message said:

Is it better to swap them to the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic?

Spend an evening getting a feel for the roll closure before you
decide. In practice it's very easy to use and I personally prefer it.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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druidh said:

John B said:

Most use is given to my 30ltr Sport Packer version which I find perfect for cycle-camping, as I find if I use the 40ltr Bike
Packer Plus rather on the large side.

I'd go for the swap.

Or try the Altura Dryline 50s . . .

You could then sleep in them too ;-)

John B

Peter Clinch said:

klimek said:

Just received Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers
and actually I don't like the top (there is no lid-its looks
complicated to close the panniers)

Try it for a while... I actually find roll-tops easier to use than
lids, especially if you want to over-pack them, and there's no
plink-plink-plink of the straps you've just forgotten to close
knocking against the spokes!

The straps aren't long enough on the Bike Packer version to get anywhere
near the spokes.

John B

John B said:

The straps aren't long enough on the Bike Packer version to get anywhere
near the spokes.

In which case are they long enough for a 50% overpack? That's how the
straps on my Alturas and Carradice panniers were long enough to bounce
off the wheels.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

John B said:

The straps aren't long enough on the Bike Packer version to get anywhere
near the spokes.

In which case are they long enough for a 50% overpack?

50% may be pushing it, (I'd say about 30% would be possible) but the straps
are also contained safely behind the useful mesh pocket area which prevents
them from dangling in places they shouldn't.

Quoted message said:

That's how the
straps on my Alturas and Carradice panniers were long enough to bounce
off the wheels.

Nasty.

John B

John B said:

50% may be pushing it, (I'd say about 30% would be possible) but the straps
are also contained safely behind the useful mesh pocket area which prevents
them from dangling in places they shouldn't.

Good designers, those Ortlieb folk!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's how the
straps on my Alturas and Carradice panniers were long enough to bounce
off the wheels.

Nasty.

Not at all, you just get a plink plink plink noise which is mildly
annoying on the one hand, but does remind you haven't close the lid
properly...
There may be /some/ potential for the buckle to get into the spokes, but
in the dozens of times I've forgotten over the years it's yet to happen,
and I haven't heard of it happening to anyone else.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's how the
straps on my Alturas and Carradice panniers were long enough to bounce
off the wheels.

Nasty.

There may be /some/ potential for the buckle to get into the spokes, but
in the dozens of times I've forgotten over the years.....

Ah, yes. the problems of getting older ;-)

John B

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Quoted message said:

Hallo!!!

Just received Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p95&tbv=ORTLIEB_Back_Rolle
r_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags
and actually I don't like the top (there is no lid-its looks
complicated to close the panniers)
Is it better to swap them to the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic?
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b4s74p99&tbv=ORTLIEB_Bike_Packe
r_Classic_PARTS_&_ACCESSORIES_Bags_-_Pannier_Bags

I have the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic, love them. And the roll top for my
Brompton touring bag. I feel the ordinary lid is a little easier and faster
to deal with, but Ortlieb say the roll-top is so waterproof that the bag
"floats" while the lid bag is merely "sprayproof".

The lid one doesn't have the shoulder strap though :-(

--
Erik Sandblom
my site is EriksRailNews.com
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Erik Sandblom said:

I have the Ortlieb Back Packer Classic, love them. And the roll top for my
Brompton touring bag. I feel the ordinary lid is a little easier and faster
to deal with, but Ortlieb say the roll-top is so waterproof that the bag
"floats" while the lid bag is merely "sprayproof".

This is true. The reason I went for the roll top was so they could do
double duty as dry-bags for canoeing. While not advertised as
waterproof with submerging, you'd still have a good chance of dry kit if
they were.
But though that's why I originally went for the rollers, I found they're
not too much different in ease of use to conventional lids.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/