OT-Bicycles and Protest In NYC

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/newyork/politics/nyc-bike0827,0,5131693.story?coll=nyc-homepage-headlines

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Plus the non-sport of Golf.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/226614p-194587c.html

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Your point being don't trust reported arrest figures ?

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What's a 150 people or so?? I have this image in my mind of Drag Race and
the police trying to catch elusive riders. Ah, I do wish I still lived
there at moments like this.

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Your point being don't trust reported arrest figures ?

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Sandy
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Ah, I do wish I still lived
there at moments like this.

It's times like these that have me looking forward to retiring in about
fifteen years to some place like Jackson Hole, or maybe even some place
smaller.

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how many riders are killed by careless drivers every year there ?
cyclists have a valid point that the road does not belong exclusively
to the automobile- this reaction by the bloody cops is 100% overkill-
in toronto, cops chaperon critical mass rides, telling irate drivers
to relax... the rides happen and everyone leaves in peace.
bikers in nyc should be given respect for their courage and
contribution to the environment.

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What's a 150 people or so?? I have this image in my mind of Drag Race and
the police trying to catch elusive riders. Ah, I do wish I still lived
there at moments like this.

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Your point being don't trust reported arrest figures ?

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Sandy
Paris FR

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how many riders are killed by careless drivers every year there ?
cyclists have a valid point that the road does not belong exclusively
to the automobile- this reaction by the bloody cops is 100% overkill-
in toronto, cops chaperon critical mass rides, telling irate drivers
to relax... the rides happen and everyone leaves in peace.
bikers in nyc should be given respect for their courage and
contribution to the environment.

Hey Laz,

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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:44:48 -0500, "hold my beer and watch this..."
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:44:48 -0500, "hold my beer and watch this..."
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Hey anon,

Keith, just so you know, if you stick around for a while, you'll
understand that Brian isn't really anonymous.

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Howard Kveck said:

Keith, just so you know, if you stick around for a while, you'll
understand that Brian isn't really anonymous.

*** I know.

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That's almost as funny as this:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

how many riders are killed by careless drivers every year there ?
cyclists have a valid point that the road does not belong exclusively
to the automobile- this reaction by the bloody cops is 100% overkill-
in toronto, cops chaperon critical mass rides, telling irate drivers
to relax... the rides happen and everyone leaves in peace.
bikers in nyc should be given respect for their courage and
contribution to the environment.

Cops in NYC generally ignore cyclists doing thier thing on the street. Even
when it is something illegal, like running red lights. Friday, the CM ride
turned nasty and they were screwing up traffic. So I doubt the reaction
was overkill. Thanks to the RNC, the city is already a mess and the cops
are spread pretty thin. So they can't be baby sitting a bunch of mis-behaving
cyclists all night. Some idiot in city government wasn't thinking when they
thought having the RNC in NYC was a good idea. I'm sure this is going to
end up costing us tax payers a lot of money. NYC is like a police state with
cops, and cop cadets, all over the place. You can't walk a block without
seeing group of cops.
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"Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Some idiot in city government wasn't thinking when they
thought having the RNC in NYC was a good idea. I'm sure this is going to
end up costing us tax payers a lot of money. NYC is like a police state

with

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cops, and cop cadets, all over the place. You can't walk a block without
seeing group of cops.

The point is that now the entire world is seeing what American Liberals are.
And they don't like what they're seeing. Neither does the overwhelming
majority of voters in this country.

So I suppose it was a really good idea. If we can get the Democratic Party
back to the sort that John F. Kennedy was in perhaps we cold have another
country worth living in for Americans and not just illegal aliens.

Tom Kunich said:

"Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Some idiot in city government wasn't thinking when they
thought having the RNC in NYC was a good idea. I'm sure this is going to
end up costing us tax payers a lot of money. NYC is like a police state

with

Quoted message said:

cops, and cop cadets, all over the place. You can't walk a block without
seeing group of cops.

The point is that now the entire world is seeing what American Liberals are.

That they aren't really liberals, but are socialists?

http://www.belmont.edu/lockesmith/essay.html

I'm a liberal, and they are nothing like me.

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And they don't like what they're seeing. Neither does the overwhelming
majority of voters in this country.

That isn't what the polls say.

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So I suppose it was a really good idea. If we can get the Democratic Party
back to the sort that John F. Kennedy...

I won't hope for that.

Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom, pp 1-3

Introduction

IN A MUCH QUOTED PASSAGE in his inaugural address, President
Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask
what you can do for your country.” It is a striking sign of the
temper of our times that the controversy about this passage cen-
tered on its origin and not on its content. Neither half of the
statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his gov-
ernment that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society.
The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies
that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view
that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility
for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your
country” implies that government is the master or the deity, the
citizen, the servant or the votary. To the free man, the country
is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something
over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and
loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a
means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts,
nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served. He
recognizes no national goal except as it is the consensus of the
goals that the citizens severally serve. He recognizes no national
purpose except as it is the consensus of the purposes for which
the citizens severally strive.
The free man will ask neither what his country can do for
him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather
What can I and my compatriots do through government, to
help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our
several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our free
dom? And he will accompany this question with another: How
can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frank
enstein that will destroy the very freedom we establish it to pro-
tect? Freedom is a rare and delicate plant. Our minds tell us,
and history confirms, that the great threat to freedom is the
concentration of power. Government is necessary to preserve our
freedom, it is an instrument through which we can exercise
our freedom; yet by concentrating power in political hands, it is
also a threat to freedom. Even though the men who wield this
power initially be of good will and even though they be not
corrupted by the power they exercise, the power will both attract
and form men of a different stamp.