OT: Chernobyl Ride

taywood said:

This was posted on the mountain bike group and someone
called it a page turner. I thought it was too.

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Quite possibly one of the scariest things I've ever read

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taywood said:

This was posted on the mountain bike group and someone
called it a page turner. I thought it was too.

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TW

Rivetting. Read it from beginning to end and remembering
when it all happened. Thanks for posting the link

Tony

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taywood said:

This was posted on the mountain bike group and someone
called it a page turner. I thought it was too.

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TW

Rivetting. Read it from beginning to end and remembering
when it all happened. Thanks for posting the link

Tony

Ditto thanks - one of the most powerful things I've ever
seen on the net.

Russ

A truly thought-provoking web site. Thanks for the link.

Cheers, helen s

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taywood posted ...

Quoted message said:

This was posted on the mountain bike group and someone
called it a page turner. I thought it was too.

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TW

Wow .. uncompromising .. and very thought provoking. Thanks
for posting the link.

Makes my little gripes seem like such a waste of time ..

I can remember Chernobyl happening quite well because at the
time I was working as an external contractor at JET (Joint
European Torus) near Abingdon, Oxford, making sure the
remote handling arms stayed bolted together .. and the
joints were tolerant of the expected prevailing conditions
inside the torus.

We knew the work there had nothing to do with Russian
Nuclear plants blowing up, indeed it wasn't even working
IIRC, but I still remember a few sleepless nights .. 😉

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

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Quoted message said:

This was posted on the mountain bike group and someone
called it a page turner. I thought it was too.

angelfire.comkiddofspeedOpen ↗

On a similar note, spent a night shift sifting through
pictures of Grozny like these.
users.westnet.grgrozny.htmOpen ↗

Simon M.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Wow .. uncompromising .. and very thought provoking.
Thanks for posting the link.

Not merely uncompromising: played for maximum impact. In a
flat country with serious snow, the time of snow-melt
leaves the country largely waterlogged, and is a very bleak
season indeed. Another month or so from those and the
outdoor shots could have looked holiday-brochure beautiful
with everything in bloom.

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I can remember Chernobyl happening quite well because at
the time I was

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The other
was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage than
Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death and
suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

--
Nick Kew

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I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death and
suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

And of course the dead bodies at Bhopal had brown skin, and
the fallout was far enough away not to threaten us. Plus the
"baddies" at Bhopal were a good Capitalist firm, rather than
the Evil Commies who could be blamed for Chernobyl.

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Just zis Guy said:

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Quoted message said:

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death
and suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

And of course the dead bodies at Bhopal had brown skin,
and the fallout was far enough away not to threaten us.
Plus the "baddies" at Bhopal were a good Capitalist firm,
rather than the Evil Commies who could be blamed for
Chernobyl.

Whereas for Seveso......?

Tony

Nick Kew posted ...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wow .. uncompromising .. and very thought provoking.
Thanks for posting the link.

Not merely uncompromising: played for maximum impact. In a
flat country with serious snow, the time of snow-melt
leaves the country largely waterlogged, and is a very
bleak season indeed. Another month or so from those and
the outdoor shots could have looked holiday-brochure
beautiful with everything in bloom.

Quoted message said:

I can remember Chernobyl happening quite well because at
the time I was

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death and
suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

I also remember Bhopal, but as far as I know, no-one's done
a website about it similar to this one ... But really have
little clue as to the full damage statistics, and to be
frank it didn't affect me in anything like the same way. It
had little that I could relate to.

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

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Nick Kew posted ...

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In article <[email hidden]-
berlin.de>,

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Quoted message said:

Wow .. uncompromising .. and very thought provoking.
Thanks for posting the link.

Not merely uncompromising: played for maximum impact. In
a flat country with serious snow, the time of snow-melt
leaves the country largely waterlogged, and is a very
bleak season indeed. Another month or so from those and
the outdoor shots could have looked holiday-brochure
beautiful with everything in bloom.

Quoted message said:

I can remember Chernobyl happening quite well because at
the time I was

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death
and suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

I also remember Bhopal, but as far as I know, no-one's
done a website about it similar to this one ... But really
have little clue as to the full damage statistics, and to
be frank it didn't affect me in anything like the same
way. It had little that I could relate to.

No one's done a website similar to this because there is no
20 mile exclusion zone: the victims who've been unable to
move are still stuck there, still drinking water polluted
from the chemical works, which are still in the state they
were in on the day of the explosion without a cleanup.

The were about 7000 deaths on the night of the chemical
link, with several times that number occuring later, and
birth defects still occuring in those that were exposed.

For further details and an expose of the way in which those
responsible have escaped responsibility, see www.bhopal.com
. No, don't, see www.bhopal.org or www.bhopal.net .

Ambrose

Ambrose Nankivell posted ...

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For further details and an expose of the way in which
those responsible have escaped responsibility, see
www.bhopal.com . No, don't, see www.bhopal.org or
www.bhopal.net .

To be honest, I'm not that interested .. There is little at
Bhopal that I can relate to or that affects me in any way.

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

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Ambrose Nankivell posted ...

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For further details and an expose of the way in which
those responsible have escaped responsibility, see
www.bhopal.com . No, don't, see www.bhopal.org or
www.bhopal.net .

To be honest, I'm not that interested .. There is
little at Bhopal that I can relate to or that affects
me in any way.

Yeah. Thank God that British companies are paragons of
virtue, and that there are no chemical plants here.

--
Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeithOpen ↗ "Treason doth
never prosper"

Quoted message said:

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death and
suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

The website talked about 300,000 - 400,000 total deaths from
Chernobyl.

Mark Thompson said:

The website talked about 300,000 - 400,000 total deaths
from Chernobyl.

Greenpeace don't claim more than 2,500 deaths and they are
likely to be at the higher end of estimates:
archive.greenpeace.orgchernobOpen ↗. The best
estimates of the impact are from the UN Scientific Committee
on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) who concluded
in 2000 that apart from the 30 direct deaths of power
station workers and firemen and 1800 cases of non-fatal
child thyroid cancer (which could have been substantially
reduced if iodine tablets had been issued post the
accident), there was no major public health impact, no
increase in cancer rates or mortality (other than the child
thyroid cancers), no increase in birth defects and no
increase in leukemia.
unscear.orggareport.pdfOpen ↗

Tony

Keith Willoughby posted ...

Quoted message said:

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Ambrose Nankivell posted ...

Quoted message said:

For further details and an expose of the way in which
those responsible have escaped responsibility, see
www.bhopal.com . No, don't, see www.bhopal.org or
www.bhopal.net .

To be honest, I'm not that interested .. There is
little at Bhopal that I can relate to or that affects
me in any way.

Yeah. Thank God that British companies are paragons of
virtue, and that there are no chemical plants here.

Heh, I also remember Flixborough. Living in Doncaster and
having relations

the scale of Bhopal, but then, as I said, I don't have
anything that I can relate to regarding Bhopal ...

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The website talked about 300,000 - 400,000 total deaths
from Chernobyl.

Greenpeace don't claim more than 2,500 deaths and they are
likely to be at the higher end of estimates:
archive.greenpeace.orgchernobOpen ↗. The
best estimates of the impact are from the UN Scientific
Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) who
concluded in 2000 that apart from the 30 direct deaths of
power station workers and firemen and 1800 cases of non-
fatal child thyroid cancer (which could have been
substantially reduced if iodine tablets had been issued
post the accident), there was no major public health
impact, no increase in cancer rates or mortality (other
than the child thyroid cancers), no increase in birth
defects and no increase in leukemia.
unscear.orggareport.pdfOpen ↗

angelfire.comchapter6.htmlOpen ↗

I guess the author must have got confused between deaths and
people relocated (the Greenpeace page mentioned hundred of
thousands relocated). Ho hum.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:23:31 +0100, [email hidden] (Nick Kew)
wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death and
suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

Of course there are three factors at work here which make
Chernobyl merit greater attention without holding different
standards -

Chernobyl's after-effects last longer.

Chernobyl's after-effects had a larger global footprint -
remember that there were farmers in the UK that had their
livestocks banned from sale due to Chernobyl - equivalent to
Bhopal affecting Qatar, Tehran or Korea.

Chernobyl directly affected us here in the UK - Bhopal did
not directly affect us.

Plus of course Chernobyl was a nuclear accident - and we all
know that being nuclear automatically makes it worse...

(The amount of dread folk have for a technology is based in
part on how new it is, and how visible it is. Nuclear is
newer than chemical, and radiation is less visible or
smellable than most chemical escapes.)

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:23:31 +0100,
[email hidden] (Nick Kew) wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

I remember two major accidents at around the time. The
other was Bhopal, and did hundreds of times more damage
than Chernobyl measured in terms either of human death and
suffering or environmental damage. But as with road
accidents vs others, we hold up different activities to
different standards.

Of course there are three factors at work here which make
Chernobyl merit greater attention without holding
different standards -

Chernobyl's after-effects last longer.

Chernobyl's after-effects had a larger global footprint -
remember that there were farmers in the UK that had their
livestocks banned from sale due to Chernobyl

There still are some farmers in Britain who cannot sell some
livestock grazed on some pasture because of Chernobyl fall
out. The all clear has not yet been given.

Having said that, the Bhopal 'accident' was of the same
order of magnitude.

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