OT: One Shot, One Kill

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:28:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal has
a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

Not from predators, to exhaution. When they die tensed up, the meat is
tough. Same is true of humans, I have several body parts in my freezer
now that are tough as nails.

John Hanson said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I assume the regulation against using dogs is to prevent pack hunting:
sending a bunch of Dogos, or deer-trained Coonhounds, or American Bulldogs,
to track down, and then run down, the deer. I can understand using that
method on predators, or dangerous game, but it would be pretty cruel on a
deer.

Not only is hunting deer with dogs illegal, it's perfectly legal to
shoot a dog chasing a deer.

Dogs Pursuing Big Game
No persons may allow their dog to chase or kill big game.
Between January 1 and July 14 a dog that is observed wounding,
killing, or pursuing in a way that endangers big game may be killed by
any person. A peace officer or conservation officer may kill a dog
that endangers big game at any time of the year. The officer or person
is not liable for damages for killing the dog.

In Cheeseland, only a conservation officer can shoot a dog pursuing
deer.

But Chuck, your Hanson Dogointer, would not be "pursuing" or
"endangering" the deer. Chuck would only be "tracking" the deer and
then whispering "Dad, he's over there".

Be a test case!

David

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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You're splitting 'hares' here.

If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

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a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:28:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal
has
a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

Not from predators, to exhaution. When they die tensed up, the meat is
tough.

makes sense

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Same is true of humans, I have several body parts in my freezer
now that are tough as nails.

You have my sympathy

On 9 Nov 2005 18:42:45 -0800, "David Cohen" <[email hidden]>
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John Hanson said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I assume the regulation against using dogs is to prevent pack hunting:
sending a bunch of Dogos, or deer-trained Coonhounds, or American Bulldogs,
to track down, and then run down, the deer. I can understand using that
method on predators, or dangerous game, but it would be pretty cruel on a
deer.

Not only is hunting deer with dogs illegal, it's perfectly legal to
shoot a dog chasing a deer.

Dogs Pursuing Big Game
No persons may allow their dog to chase or kill big game.
Between January 1 and July 14 a dog that is observed wounding,
killing, or pursuing in a way that endangers big game may be killed by
any person. A peace officer or conservation officer may kill a dog
that endangers big game at any time of the year. The officer or person
is not liable for damages for killing the dog.

In Cheeseland, only a conservation officer can shoot a dog pursuing
deer.

But Chuck, your Hanson Dogointer, would not be "pursuing" or
"endangering" the deer. Chuck would only be "tracking" the deer and
then whispering "Dad, he's over there".

Be a test case!

Hehe

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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>You're splitting 'hares' here.

If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

Quoted message said:

a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all
the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs? They
must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>You're splitting 'hares' here.

If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

Quoted message said:

a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all
the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs? They
must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

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Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs?

They

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must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

It's well known in the industry that cattle slaughtered under subdued
lighting with soft jazz playing in the background are the most delectable.

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

I assume the regulation against using dogs is to prevent pack hunting:
sending a bunch of Dogos, or deer-trained Coonhounds, or American
Bulldogs,
to track down, and then run down, the deer. I can understand using that
method on predators, or dangerous game, but it would be pretty cruel on a
deer.

Not to mention that it'd totally ruin the meat...
Seriously. It would be very stupid for that reason alone.

I be confused. How would dog pack hunting ruin meat? Dogs that hunt in this
manner either corner/tree the game, waiting for the hunter to kill it, or,
in the example of American Bulldogs hunting wild boar, catch and hold the
pig, but do not kill or eat it.

'Splain yourself!

David

Traumatizing an edible mammal like that gets the adrenalin going, and it
also depletes muscle glycogen.
It alters the flavor and texture of the meat. This is why quick kills
are recommended in the meat industry.

Well, one reason anyway. ;-)

Man, I had a tough time googling for this one. It's common talk on any
farming list:

http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/003/X6909E/x6909e04.htm

There are probably better sites.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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You're splitting 'hares' here.

If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal has
a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

It's not quite the same thing... ;-)
I finally found some references when I googled for "stress and meat
quality".

It's an item that is paid attention to at slaughter houses for cattle
and pigs.
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Om.

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> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>>You're splitting 'hares' here.
>
> If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
> wouldn't have anything to do with it.
> Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

Quoted message said:

a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all
the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs? They
must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

The abbatoirs actually take care to stress the animals as little as
possible.
--
Om.

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Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs?

They

Quoted message said:

must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

It's well known in the industry that cattle slaughtered under subdued
lighting with soft jazz playing in the background are the most delectable.

And then there is Kobe beef....... ;-)
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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> Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
> flavors.
>
How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs?

They

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must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

It's well known in the industry that cattle slaughtered under subdued
lighting with soft jazz playing in the background are the most
delectable.

And then there is Kobe beef....... ;-)

at $100 per lb (plus the air fare to Kobe!)

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> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>You're splitting 'hares' here.
> >
> > If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the
> > dog
> > wouldn't have anything to do with it.
> > Oh "hares" I get it hahaha
>
> With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the
> animal
has
> a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all
> the
> freaking time-at least every day -
>

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs?
They
must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

The abbatoirs actually take care to stress the animals as little as
possible.

Yes I can understand they make the animals think they are going to use the
shower and they are in a kind of camp - the sign at the abattoir says
"Arbeit macht frei"

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> "MrRobottow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>You're splitting 'hares' here.
> >
> > If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the
> > dog
> > wouldn't have anything to do with it.
> > Oh "hares" I get it hahaha
>
> With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the
> animal
has
> a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all
> the
> freaking time-at least every day -
>

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

How about the adrenalin bath when cows are lining up at the abbatoirs?
They
must feel fear even though they aren't being chased.

The abbatoirs actually take care to stress the animals as little as
possible.

Yes I can understand they make the animals think they are going to use the
shower and they are in a kind of camp - the sign at the abattoir says
"Arbeit macht frei"

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:45:07 -0600, "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in
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> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>>You're splitting 'hares' here.
>
> If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
> wouldn't have anything to do with it.
> Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

Quoted message said:

a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

Some Indian tribes preferred this flavor and would purposely terrorize
the animals they killed. I forget which tribe.

Speaking of meat. I just cut the back straps out of the deer and
cooked them up. Absolutely delicious. I even gave Buddy a couple of
scraps as he was drooling all over my carpet. Well, I would have
given him some anyway as we always share game.

And he is your "Buddy"...... ;-)

Back strap is supposed to be the best cut!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:45:07 -0600, "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in
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> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>>You're splitting 'hares' here.
>
> If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
> wouldn't have anything to do with it.
> Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

Quoted message said:

a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

Some Indian tribes preferred this flavor and would purposely terrorize
the animals they killed. I forget which tribe.

Speaking of meat. I just cut the back straps out of the deer and
cooked them up. Absolutely delicious. I even gave Buddy a couple of
scraps as he was drooling all over my carpet. Well, I would have
given him some anyway as we always share game.

And he is your "Buddy"...... ;-)

Back strap is supposed to be the best cut!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:45:07 -0600, "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>You're splitting 'hares' here.

If my cat chased down the deer it'd still be spolied meat, and the dog
wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Oh "hares" I get it hahaha

With all due respect, however, is what you are saying that if the animal

has

Quoted message said:

a good run, the meat is not worth eating? All freaking animals run all the
freaking time-at least every day -

Something about being marinated in adrenaline gives the meat some off
flavors.

Some Indian tribes preferred this flavor and would purposely terrorize
the animals they killed. I forget which tribe.

Speaking of meat. I just cut the back straps out of the deer and
cooked them up. Absolutely delicious. I even gave Buddy a couple of
scraps as he was drooling all over my carpet. Well, I would have
given him some anyway as we always share game.

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Maybe you should develop a deer hunting dog breed. Something that has a good
nose for tracking, does so silently, locates the deer, and then points.

Beaten to it:

The Vizla: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/vizsla.htm
The GSP: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshorthairedpointer.htm
The Weimaraner: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimaraner.htm

Lots of guys here use these breeds (and mongrels) to do just that.

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