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  1. Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We're just looking at the moment, but as with most things one is thinking of
    buying, there is so much choice it is bewildering as we have no experience
    of camping.

    That's about it really - we like the idea of camping as it seems more
    felxible than having to rent a holiday cottage for a week, but so far know
    nothing about it. Personal recommendations or experience of others is
    generally vastly better than a company's glossy brochure.

    Thanks

    Jim & Becca & kids...

  2. jim said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at

    Cycling and camping go very well together ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    Well respected makes are Vango, Coleman, Saunders. I'm not familiar
    with any of the latest range so can't make a personal recommendation.

    However, for larger groups such as yourself there are a couple of
    options that I see:

    Dome-style tents, which are generally simple to erect but necessitate
    living on your hands and knees.

    Frame tents are less resilient in the wind, require more swearing to
    erect them, and are much heavier...BUT you can stand up in them - a
    feature which may be the crucial difference between a happy five year
    old and a bored five year old.

    Don't rule out using two smaller tents: the 3 and 5 year old could
    share if you can pitch the two units close enough together to satisfy
    their safety.

    Out of interest, how will your one year old sleep? Remember that there
    is no such thing as a warm tent. It is your bedding which keeps you
    warm.

    Quoted message said:

    We're just looking at the moment, but as with most things one is thinking of
    buying, there is so much choice it is bewildering as we have no experience
    of camping.

    Depending on your chosen design, you may be using a tent which has an
    inner and outer skin. Being able to pitch the waterproof outer skin
    first is better than having to pitch the non-waterproof inner first.

    Quoted message said:

    That's about it really - we like the idea of camping as it seems more
    felxible than having to rent a holiday cottage for a week, but so far know
    nothing about it.

    Definitely more flexible. The only contraindication to how often you
    move on is how easy/difficult your tent is to manage.
    --
    Amazon: "If you are interested in 'Asimov's I-Robot',
    you may also be interested in 'Garfield - The Movie'.
    ... erm, how do they figure that one out?

  3. jim said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We're just looking at the moment, but as with most things one is thinking of
    buying, there is so much choice it is bewildering as we have no experience
    of camping.

    That's about it really - we like the idea of camping as it seems more
    felxible than having to rent a holiday cottage for a week, but so far know
    nothing about it. Personal recommendations or experience of others is
    generally vastly better than a company's glossy brochure.

    Thanks

    Jim & Becca & kids...

    Best bet is to visit one of the "Camping and Outdoors" type of shows
    (probably advertised on the web) and have a good look at the various
    options for yourself. We had many happy years family camping in a frame
    tent. My only advice is get a larger tent than you think you need. We
    were 4 in a tent allegedly for 7 and we appreciated the space.

    Have fun.
    --
    Brian G

  4. jim said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We're just looking at the moment, but as with most things one is thinking of
    buying, there is so much choice it is bewildering as we have no experience
    of camping.

    That's about it really - we like the idea of camping as it seems more
    felxible than having to rent a holiday cottage for a week, but so far know
    nothing about it. Personal recommendations or experience of others is
    generally vastly better than a company's glossy brochure.

    If it's not something you plan to carry on a bike then I can recommend
    a Karsten. <http://www.karstententen.nl/>.

  5. Richard Bates composed the following ...

    Quoted message said:

    Well respected makes are Vango, Coleman, Saunders. I'm not familiar
    with any of the latest range so can't make a personal recommendation.

    We have a Coleman 500, Dome Tent which we have as a backup for when we don't
    have or can't take the caravan. Excellent tent, easy to erect, easy to
    live in and work in .. we race and use it as a sleeping area and a pits area
    during the day. We have two kids 9 and 12 and they also like it. Sleeping
    areas are not totally separate, but in our eyes this is beneficial in that
    we have easy access to the kids if they 'feel sick' or have a nightmare etc
    ... 😉

    Quoted message said:

    Dome-style tents, which are generally simple to erect but necessitate
    living on your hands and knees.

    er, why? Our Dome is easily large enough for us all to stand up in .. in
    fact has much more space than our last 'traditional' ridge tent. It also
    accomodates a 'camp kitchen' that we leave up all day and a table and four
    chairs easily, with enough room for the kids to play Monopoly or somesuch on
    wet days.

    Quoted message said:

    Depending on your chosen design, you may be using a tent which has an
    inner and outer skin. Being able to pitch the waterproof outer skin
    first is better than having to pitch the non-waterproof inner first.

    Very important feature and one that ought to be checked with whoever you buy
    the tent from. We've had to pitch in howling gales and rain, and it is much
    easier and way more comfortable if you can keep the inner sleeping quarters
    separate and dry.

    --
    Paul ...
    http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
    (8(!) Homer Rules ... 😉
    "A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

  6. jim said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We've had a few tents and the ones we've liked best have been Vaude
    ones. You'd probably need a larger one than the Monolith we currently
    use, but the range seem particularly well designed.

    --
    Carol
    "Mmmmooooowooooff!" - the Moobark, "The Treacle People"

  7. Carol Hague said:
    jim said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We've had a few tents and the ones we've liked best have been Vaude
    ones. You'd probably need a larger one than the Monolith we currently
    use, but the range seem particularly well designed.

    Hi,
    With young children I would echo getting a tent larger than you would
    think you will need. However camping is not a 'cheap' option because
    apart from the tent there are many other things which it will take a
    number of years to build up. Trying to buy everything in one hit is
    very expensive. Another thing to consider is the size of the vehicle
    which will be carrying all the gear, it takes up a good deal of space.
    I would advise only taking this route for a holiday option if your
    really committed to the idea of camping for a number of years. Frankly
    I would not advise 'personal' camping with a baby in the UK. I would
    hire a tent in Holland or somewhere 'summer warm/hot' through Eurocamp
    or the like.
    If you do consider buying your own kit there are good tents to be had
    from various providers, you pay your money and take your choice. I
    would advise you to go for branded kit rather than copies. Copies tend
    to have problems, cuts tend to be loose resulting in odd pull angles and
    creases when set. These can be impossible to get rid of and may be
    prone to leaks. Other than that make sure it has a sewn in groundsheet
    otherwise you will have the field running through the tent.
    Been there, done that, if I had to again I would wait until the baby was
    5. Seriously look into this a bit more...
    Sniper8052

  8. "jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We're just looking at the moment, but as with most things one is thinking


    of

    Quoted message said:

    buying, there is so much choice it is bewildering as we have no experience
    of camping.

    That's about it really - we like the idea of camping as it seems more
    felxible than having to rent a holiday cottage for a week, but so far know
    nothing about it. Personal recommendations or experience of others is
    generally vastly better than a company's glossy brochure.

    Thanks

    Jim & Becca & kids...

    I haven't got anything to add to what has already been said as far as


    the tent is concerned, but I have to disagree with what some people are
    saying about camping with the baby. I presume you don't intend to take
    him/her camping until summer? That means that as he/she is 1 year old now
    he/she will be at least 18 months then.
    My children all camped from an early age - my oldest son first camped at
    ten weeks old, in the UK. I used a camp cot and dressed them warmly at night
    (bedding can be kicked off). They suffered no ill effects whatsoever, were
    perfectly happy at the time and are now all healthy teenagers.
    Jo

  9. In article said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    We're just looking at the moment, but as with most things one is thinking of
    buying, there is so much choice it is bewildering as we have no experience
    of camping.

    That's about it really - we like the idea of camping as it seems more
    felxible than having to rent a holiday cottage for a week, but so far know
    nothing about it. Personal recommendations or experience of others is
    generally vastly better than a company's glossy brochure.

    Thanks

    Jim & Becca & kids...

    I thought camping was fantastic when I was little and still do.
    Certainly one thing to consider is the size and weight of a tent when
    packed- frame tents can be *very* bulky and heavy (my parents tent would
    consume half of the boot space). Camping at the end of the summer it was
    suprising how good family sized dome tents have become- the good ones
    seemed to have 6' plus of headroom and acres of space in non-sleeping
    areas for eating or sitting and playing games out of the inevitable
    rain🙂

    Whilst not relevant to your question I'd suggest that good
    sleeping bags and cooking gear is just as important to enjoying camping.
    A good tent will keep the rain off but it's sleeping bags which keep you
    warm at night.

    Have fun!
    --
    Tim.
    (who can't wait to get out and use the Terra Nova tent he was given for
    Christmas!)

  10. In message <[email hidden]>,
    "Sniper8052(L96A1)" <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Carol Hague said:
    jim said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).


    We've had a few tents and the ones we've liked best have been Vaude
    ones. You'd probably need a larger one than the Monolith we currently
    use, but the range seem particularly well designed.

    Hi,
    With young children I would echo getting a tent larger than you would
    think you will need.

    Agreed. Space so as not to be too cramped in wet colder weather is nice

    Quoted message said:

    However camping is not a 'cheap' option because apart from the tent
    there are many other things which it will take a number of years to
    build up.

    it can be relatively cheap. You can start off with cheap kit and upgrade
    as necessary - borrowing stuff at first is handy if you aren't sure what
    you want or need, and stuff such as cooking pans from the kitchen etc.
    can be pressed into service. Ebay is a good source of cheaper kit. And
    now is quite good time to buy tents as there are often deals on last
    years models. ands tuff can be resold on for decent prices.

    Quoted message said:

    Trying to buy everything in one hit is very expensive.

    It can be, see above.

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing to consider is the size of the vehicle which will be
    carrying all the gear, it takes up a good deal of space.

    It doesn't have to. Families go cycle camping. but if you have big
    tent, chairs, table etc. etc. then a big roofbox is handy for the car.

    Quoted message said:

    I would advise only taking this route for a holiday option if your
    really committed to the idea of camping for a number of years. Frankly
    I would not advise 'personal' camping with a baby in the UK. I would
    hire a tent in Holland or somewhere 'summer warm/hot' through Eurocamp
    or the like.

    Hiring can be good way to try it out, and certainly a cold damp week in
    the Uk can put some people off as their first experience

    Quoted message said:

    Been there, done that, if I had to again I would wait until the baby
    was 5

    I'd disagree with that, I find camping with young children quite easy.
    we first camped with DD1 when she was 18 months, DD2 will be about 6
    months when she first goes this year. DD1 loves camping, she loves the
    freedom of the campsite, the excitement of life under canvas, running
    about he campsite in the rain in her waterproofs etc.

    Re the OP question re tents -much depends on how much space you want,
    how compact the packed tent must be, budget etc. Is this for car camping
    or tent camping.

    My favourite tent is my old trusty Spacepacker, but that's a tad small
    for 5. We bought a ludicrously large Kyham Frontier which is great in
    different way. It has oodles of space. Is relatively easy to put up for
    such a large tent. It is very stable in winds (this is important in the
    UK even at low level). It is good, but Kyham are expensive, and probably
    not a first time purchase unless you are sure of what you want.

    The Kyham is bit big and time consuming to put up for quick weekend
    trips at the moment, so we also bought cheap last year a smaller Vango
    tent - with a sort of domed living area with sleeping area off it. Big
    enough for standing up in the living area and with space for sitting
    around. A separate 'room' for the kids to sleep in may be useful.
    Sunncamp also make good family tents.

    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  11. chris French said:


    My favourite tent is my old trusty Spacepacker, but that's a tad small
    for 5. We bought a ludicrously large Kyham Frontier which is great in
    different way. It has oodles of space. Is relatively easy to put up for
    such a large tent. It is very stable in winds (this is important in the
    UK even at low level). It is good, but Kyham are expensive, and probably
    not a first time purchase unless you are sure of what you want.

    We've got a Kyham XXL. Brilliant. Rock solid, spacious, quicker than
    frame tents to put up. We've got a standard bedroom at one side for
    Mrs. Hall and I, and the larger bedroom, which is divided into two,
    for the kids, on the other side.

    It's interesting, for trainspotter values of interesting, to compare
    the later versions with our 4 or 5 year old version. Smaller door,
    shrouded hinges, more guy ropes. Several of our friends have them, so
    we form a little coraal of tents when we go away together. Which is
    nice.

    The instructions were on a video cassette, with music straight from a
    late 70s p0rn film. Or so I've been told.

    We had a Kyham vis-a-vis before that, which was a bit too small,
    according to Mrs. Hall, for a fortnight's camping for four of us.

    Tim

  12. jim <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I know this has nothing to do with cycling, but having had a look at
    uk.rec.camping and rec.outdoors.camping I thought I'd ask here if anyone
    could offer any advice about a suitable tent for our family, which is
    currently mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    If you're taking bikes, somewhere under cover to tinker with them is
    good.

    Friends have a dome-type tent with two "bedrooms" and a bedroom-sized
    space between them which has a doorway each side. Either or both doors
    can be propped up as awnings.
    In wet weather the extra space is very useful for cooking and for their
    kids.

    --
    Sue ];(🙂

    What goes down must come up again - Confucius' Law of Mountain Biking

  13. Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

    I would advise only taking this route for a holiday option if your
    really committed to the idea of camping for a number of years. Frankly
    I would not advise 'personal' camping with a baby in the UK. I would
    hire a tent in Holland or somewhere 'summer warm/hot' through Eurocamp
    or the like.
    Been there, done that, if I had to again I would wait until the baby was
    5. Seriously look into this a bit more...

    I was going to give the try a hire tent holiday first advice for slightly
    different reasons. Camping can be great fun or miserably hard work
    depending on the weather and the temperament of fellow campers. Before
    investing quite a lot of money in tent and associated gear try it out to see
    if it works for your family.
    --
    Reference Manual: Object that raises the monitor to eye level.
    Also used to compensate for that short table leg.
    Steph Peters delete invalid from [email hidden]
    Tatting, lace & stitching page <http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm>

  14. In message <[email hidden]>, Tim Hall
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    chris French said:


    My favourite tent is my old trusty Spacepacker, but that's a tad small
    for 5. We bought a ludicrously large Kyham Frontier which is great in
    different way. It has oodles of space. Is relatively easy to put up for
    such a large tent. It is very stable in winds (this is important in the
    UK even at low level). It is good, but Kyham are expensive, and probably
    not a first time purchase unless you are sure of what you want.

    We've got a Kyham XXL. Brilliant. Rock solid, spacious, quicker than
    frame tents to put up. We've got a standard bedroom at one side for
    Mrs. Hall and I, and the larger bedroom, which is divided into two,
    for the kids, on the other side.


    Our Frontier is basically bigger version of the XXL - it was on sale
    cheaper than the XXL we were going to get.

    Quoted message said:

    It's interesting, for trainspotter values of interesting, to compare
    the later versions with our 4 or 5 year old version.

    They've moved to modular arrangement now, where 'bedroom's can be added
    or removed, looks interesting.
    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  15. MatSav said:
    Quoted message said:

    ...mum, dad and 3 kids (5, 3 and 1 yrs old).

    A 5-year old father and a 3-year old mother with 1-year old triplets?!!!!
    Have you contacted the Guinness Book of Records? ;-)

    Er.. ITYM a 3-year old father and 5-year old mother... Let's not stretch
    the limits of credibility here! :-)

    <mutters>3-year old mother... what will they think of next? </mutters>

    Jon

  16. The key question is whether you are carrying it / cycling with it.

    If you are carrying it then consider...

    proper brand names such as Wild-country, Hilleberg and the like. They
    are very nice but relatively expensive (mine's a Wild-country - v. happy
    customer and all that). I've also used a Vaude, and been extremely
    impressed with the severe conditions it stood up in - bearing in mind it
    wasn't even claimed as a proper mountain tent. The Vaude was also
    exceptionally easy to put up too - a big advantage when you're moving on
    each day, or it's raining and you arrive late etc.The improvements over
    cheap tents are in small details - rather than overall design. Worth it in
    my opinion, but poorer value all the same so it depends on how much you'll
    use one, and budget etc. So if I had to carry / cycle with it, I'd probably
    get a Hilleberg, and pay the considerable money, or perhaps a Vaude
    (slightly cheaper) - which stood up to some very severe conditions on one
    occasion.. These are typically 3 feet high style tents, so probably not
    ideal for you, unless you really have to carry yourself.

    On the other hand, if you will be car-camping ...
    then there is a great deal to be said for a family camping tent, or
    something close to it. Also even the cheaper tents in this sector are still
    reasonably good. In my humble opinion, the traditional frame tent is now
    obsolete, as it's really so heavy, and a team effort to put up (but v. good
    as living-space). I think I'd get something like a giant hiking tents - with
    a room one or both ends . Perhaps something like this, or at least this sort
    of design (though I've not actually used this exact one)

    http://www.fieldandtrek.com/product.asp?cat_id=EQUITENTFAMI&pf_id=32573&cid=SYU7UEYCG7CAQQLYEF9OYII5NYG89ZBW

    Vango do one similar which I have sat in all day on a very rainy trip, and
    which wasn't too bad to put up

    However one design I'd avoid looks just like a giant-sized geodesic
    4-crossed-pole mountain tent - very good at first glance, but to put it up
    relies on you first erecting two small inner tents an exact distance appart
    then putting the overall flysheet over both. This is just daft and is a
    pain.

    Some tents exist looking like a star-shapped moonbase (possibly also
    Vango) - but these are a pain to put up - needing a team-effort - too much
    so in my view. Although spacious once it's done.

    There is a secondary question as to whether you are stopping in one place
    for a week, or moving on every few days - this gives you the big, luxury
    tent, versus modest, easy to put up, equation.

    If you're going to France at some point, then Decathlon often do tents
    extremely cheaply at the end of a season. Their own brands, though inferior
    in various small details, than the "designer labels", are still stoking good
    value for what they are. Vangos etc also appear in Decathlon I'm told.

    Another thought is that there's really no point in a proper mountain tent
    for camping on campsites. On my caving trips, cavers being "outdoor types"
    have all bought small mountaineering tents, but on wet days, everone seems
    to be sitting in someone's family tent, not skulking in their small mountain
    tents !

    Another, ostensibly obvious, comment is that (unless you have to physically
    carry it), there is no point buying special camping saucepans and plates
    etc. Use proper saucepans and china plates from home rather than some daft 1
    thou' aluminium nonsense which burns the food. Similarly it's better to eat
    proper food than dehydrated space-porridge and the like.

    Cheers

    Hywel

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