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  1. As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a spokesman
    for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated that the
    accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that for cars. He
    also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but that was just 'the
    laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    You give truck drivers extra training, more rigorous medical and eyesight
    conditions, a slow vehicle, and send them on long steady runs and they only
    manage to have _half_ the accidents of the amateur drivers they so despise.

    Is it the trucks themselves that are uncontrollable, or are the drivers not
    the professional knights of the road they would portray themselves as?

  2. Budstaff said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a spokesman
    for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated that the
    accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that for cars. He
    also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but that was just 'the
    laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    You give truck drivers extra training, more rigorous medical and eyesight
    conditions, a slow vehicle, and send them on long steady runs and they only
    manage to have _half_ the accidents of the amateur drivers they so despise.

    Is it the trucks themselves that are uncontrollable, or are the drivers not
    the professional knights of the road they would portray themselves as?

    to be fair the problem with crashes unless its you and a tree, it
    normally takes two.

    also got a lot of cheap truckers with not a clue where they are.

    roger

  3. In news:[email hidden],
    Budstaff <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
    tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a
    spokesman for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks,
    stated that the accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was
    half of that for cars. He also conceded that truck accidents were
    more serious, but that was just 'the laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    You give truck drivers extra training, more rigorous medical and
    eyesight conditions, a slow vehicle, and send them on long steady
    runs and they only manage to have _half_ the accidents of the amateur
    drivers they so despise.
    Is it the trucks themselves that are uncontrollable, or are the
    drivers not the professional knights of the road they would portray
    themselves as?

    Could be that lorries have many accidents as a result of cars being
    conducted by menks who fail to appreciate that forty-four tonnes of steel,
    plastic and baked beans cannot decelerate with the alacrity of a 911?

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Ha ha, you fool! You've fallen victim to one of the classic
    blunders! The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war
    in Asia"

  4. Budstaff said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a spokesman
    for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated that the
    accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that for cars. He
    also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but that was just 'the
    laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    I shall write to my MP demanding that the laws of physics be changed
    forthwith. I propose that 90% of lorry inertia be reallocated to
    badgers. This will greatly shorten the braking distances for lorries and
    also seriously increase the respect given to road crossing badgers.

  5. "Budstaff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a
    spokesman for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated
    that the accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that
    for cars. He also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but
    that was just 'the laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    You give truck drivers extra training, more rigorous medical and eyesight
    conditions, a slow vehicle, and send them on long steady runs and they
    only manage to have _half_ the accidents of the amateur drivers they so
    despise.

    Is it the trucks themselves that are uncontrollable, or are the drivers
    not the professional knights of the road they would portray themselves as?

    If we are to believe Conor from uk.transport then most of the lorry
    accidents are caused by, as he puts it, "[censored] in cars".

  6. Budstaff wrote on 07/03/2007 08:10 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a spokesman
    for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated that the
    accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that for cars. He
    also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but that was just 'the
    laws of physics'.

    A disingenuous statistic. The accident rate may be lower but the
    fatality rate is much higher.

    Deaths per Bn vehicle km

    Cars 0.9
    HGVs 1.8

    (Road Casualties Great Britain 2005, Table 42)

    --
    Tony

    "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
    wildly inaccurate..."
    Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  7. Adam Lea said:

    "Budstaff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a
    spokesman for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated
    that the accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that
    for cars. He also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but
    that was just 'the laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    You give truck drivers extra training, more rigorous medical and eyesight
    conditions, a slow vehicle, and send them on long steady runs and they
    only manage to have _half_ the accidents of the amateur drivers they so
    despise.

    Is it the trucks themselves that are uncontrollable, or are the drivers
    not the professional knights of the road they would portray themselves as?

    If we are to believe Conor from uk.transport then most of the lorry
    accidents are caused by, as he puts it, "[censored] in cars".

    You'd believe anything from uk.transport? Blimey.

  8. Tomorrow they're on about getting cyclists and caravans off the roads.
    Mr and Mrs Excitable have predictably already been on several times this
    week.

    Is anyone going to bet on how long it takes before the RLJ argument
    comes up? Not if; when. And of course, car drivers never RLJ, as we
    all know.

    Has anyone actually worked out what the point of this week's exercise
    is? It basically seems to be an excuse for selfish motorists to rant
    about getting everyone else off the roads. How many heated arguments
    must there be in workplaces all over the country as a result of this
    ridiculous show.

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Roger
    Merriman says...

    Quoted message said:


    to be fair the problem with crashes unless its you and a tree, it
    normally takes two.


    I'm not sure about that. After all, I'm sure you'd agree that a
    collision between a car and a bike is not necessarily the fault of both
    of them. ;-)

    Steve

  10. On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:54:04 GMT

    Steve said:

    I'm not sure about that. After all, I'm sure you'd agree that a
    collision between a car and a bike is not necessarily the fault of
    both of them. ;-)

    Not necessarily.

    But fortunately, it usually is. That's why road users can make
    mistakes and *almost always* get away with them. A collision
    happens when one road user makes a mistake *and* another
    fails to take adequate evasive action - a rare coincidence.

    A useful safety feature of a bike is the fact that it
    requires less space than larger vehicles to avoid trouble.

    --
    not me guv

  11. Steve said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Roger
    Merriman says...

    Quoted message said:


    to be fair the problem with crashes unless its you and a tree, it
    normally takes two.


    I'm not sure about that. After all, I'm sure you'd agree that a
    collision between a car and a bike is not necessarily the fault of both
    of them. ;-)

    Steve

    as nick put it well, it does require both or more parties. why juntions
    are allways danger zones.

    roger

  12. "TheMgt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Budstaff said:

    As part of Vine's current filler on people's vehicle prejudices, a
    spokesman
    for the Road Transport Association, defending trucks, stated that the
    accident rate for trucks per vehicle kilometre was half of that for cars.
    He
    also conceded that truck accidents were more serious, but that was just
    'the
    laws of physics'.

    Am I alone in finding this totally unacceptable?

    I shall write to my MP demanding that the laws of physics be changed
    forthwith. I propose that 90% of lorry inertia be reallocated to
    badgers. This will greatly shorten the braking distances for lorries and
    also seriously increase the respect given to road crossing badgers.

    LOL - congrats on an inspired piece of context removal.

    Badgers?? You are Bill Bailey AICMFP!

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