Ouch!

helmet issue to one side - I am very, very glad you are okay, Pete. Have the police been informed?
They should be.

Take care and mend completely.

Cheers, helen s

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helmet issue to one side - I am very, very glad you are okay, Pete. Have the police been informed?
They should be.

Take care and mend completely.

Cheers, helen s

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Thanks Helen. Yes police attended, have names of 4 witnesses from them.

Pete
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Peter Grange said:

An interesting footnote, part of the ambulance crew's report says "Helmet worn and in situ on our
arrival". This is presumably because driver's insurance company might try to shift blame to
cyclist in the case of head injuries if no helmet? If so, sounds unreasonable to me, driver wasn't
wearing one.....

Did you actually hit your head?

Glad you're OK.

There is a small but growing minority of drivers who think it's cyclists' job to get out of their
way. Some of them drive buses.

Colin McKenzie

"Peter Grange" <peter@REMOVE_THISplgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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A nice variation on SMIDSY, whilst I was lying in the road a voice, presumably the driver, said "I
thought you'd seen me", which presumably means she saw me but still turned anyway.

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Peter Grange

Nice quote, like to see her get out of that one if the witnesses heard it (though I'm sure the
insewerants company will try.)

Glad to hear you're OK

Tim S

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An interesting footnote, part of the ambulance crew's report says "Helmet worn and in situ on our
arrival". This is presumably because driver's insurance company might try to shift blame to
cyclist in the case of head injuries if no helmet? If so, sounds unreasonable to me, driver wasn't
wearing one.....

Can't see that being the case, since it's not a legal requirement to wear one. I would have thought
that this would be useful info for the doctors as they look for injuries to your bonce. Hope you
recover OK.

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:43:19 +0100, Peter Grange <peter@REMOVE_THISplgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:

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Glad you're OK. Sadly the driver is immune from the standard penalty for this kind of behaviour,
lacking as she does the goolies which would otherwise be cut off.

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A nice variation on SMIDSY, whilst I was lying in the road a voice, presumably the driver, said "I
thought you'd seen me", which presumably means she saw me but still turned anyway.

That's what's technically known as an "admission of liability" :-)

Quoted message said:

An interesting footnote, part of the ambulance crew's report says "Helmet worn and in situ on our
arrival". This is presumably because driver's insurance company might try to shift blame to cyclist
in the case of head injuries if no helmet?

They have been known to try, and have so far been slapped down every time they've tried it with the
CTC's legal people. John Franklin apparently has a steady business informing courts of the limited
effectiveness of helmets.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Colin McKenzie <[email hidden]> writes

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Peter Grange said:

An interesting footnote, part of the ambulance crew's report says "Helmet worn and in situ on our
arrival". This is presumably because driver's insurance company might try to shift blame to
cyclist in the case of head injuries if no helmet? If so, sounds unreasonable to me, driver
wasn't wearing one.....

Did you actually hit your head?

Glad you're OK.

There is a small but growing minority of drivers who think it's cyclists' job to get out of their
way. Some of them drive buses.

Colin McKenzie

I honestly don't know if I did hit my head. There is some scratching on the helmet which suggests it
hit something, I guess it hit the tarmac eventually. I will replace it anyway, hopefully at the
expense of the offending driver's ins co. Whilst I'm typing, I should have said in my original post
that the 'passers by' did include other drivers. Credit where credit's due.

Pete
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Grange peter@REMOVE_THISplgrange.demon.co.uk said:

A nice variation on SMIDSY, whilst I was lying in the road a voice, presumably the driver, said "I
thought you'd seen me", which presumably means she saw me but still turned anyway.

AIUI drivers can be required to undertake retraining after an accident. That sounds like very strong
grounds for it!

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Without prejudice (just in case) I seem to have got off lightly, lots of things hurt today but
nothing broken. Haven't dared look at the bike yet.

Will be phoning the CTC accident line tomorrow.

Sounds like you have things well in hand. Good luck with getting back to normal (you and the
bike both).

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Colin McKenzie said:

Peter Grange said:

An interesting footnote, part of the ambulance crew's report says "Helmet worn and in situ on our
arrival". This is presumably because driver's insurance company might try to shift blame to
cyclist in the case of head injuries if no helmet? If so, sounds unreasonable to me, driver wasn't
wearing one.....

Did you actually hit your head?

Glad you're OK.

There is a small but growing minority of drivers who think it's cyclists' job to get out of their
way. Some of them drive buses.

Most of the ones round here seem to drive black cabs, but thats only to be expected as they think
they are the salt of the earth. I think they are the same but would spell salt differently.

I had a similar accident to the one you describe, outside a police station witnessed by off duty
police, it still took a month of Sunday's for the driver's insurance to pay up. That was without CTC
assistance though.

Anyway glad to hear it's nothing serious and hope you get back on your bike ASAP.

Daniel.

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"Peter Grange" <peter@REMOVE_THISplgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A nice variation on SMIDSY, whilst I was lying in the road a voice, presumably the driver, said
"I thought you'd seen me", which presumably means she saw me but still turned anyway.

Nice quote, like to see her get out of that one if the witnesses heard it (though I'm sure the
insewerants company will try.)

An admission of liability if ever I heard one. :-)

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Glad to hear you're OK

Ditto. Hope your bike's OK too, Peter, and you're out on it again in no time.

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