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  1. I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley, Swaffham,
    Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting home, I've had
    two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on the inside of my
    thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself, or
    perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this please,
    so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    It hasn't spoiled a great day out though 🙂

    --
    Chris

  2. "Succorso" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    It hasn't spoiled a great day out though 🙂

    --
    Chris

    and/or: -lack of training -lack of water -lack of food
    (early stage of hypoglycemea) -lack of Mg, or Ca, or Na, or
    K -lack of stretching -lack of legs with identical length

    --
    Posted by news://news.nb.nu

  3. On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:19:36 +0100, Succorso <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley, Swaffham,
    Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting home, I've had
    two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on the inside of my
    thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    Mainly dehydration - how much did you drink?

    Regards! Stephen

  4. Succorso said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    It hasn't spoiled a great day out though 🙂

    --
    Chris

    btw, I forgot to mention - yesterday I pretty much exhausted
    myself installing two 50kg RSJs in the kitchen, so whether
    that had any bearing, I'm not sure.

    --
    Chris

  5. Steve McGinty said:

    On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:19:36 +0100, Succorso <chris@ivy-

    house.net said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    Mainly dehydration - how much did you drink?

    Regards! Stephen

    er, about 3 litres - I have no idea whether that was enough
    - there were a couple of occasions when I thought "Hmmm...
    I'm thirsty" which probably means "not enough".

    --
    Chris

  6. Succorso said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ooh, nasty :-(

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    Wot the others said. Can be shortage of salt, water,
    potassium, food - all sorts of things - but in my
    experience (and I get cramp quite frequently) it's
    overworking tired muscles which really causes the problem,
    especially in cold weather. Slow down and use a slower
    cadence is the only cure without stopping. I usually manage
    to work through it, though.

    Guy

  7. Succorso said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    Salt deficiency is highly unlikely in the modern diet.
    Dehydration by itself doesn't cause cramp - TdF riders
    used to finish stages horribly dehydrated in the old days.
    It's mainly caused by muscles not being up to the demands
    you're putting on them. When your main leg muscles get
    tired you unconsciously shift the load onto muscles that
    don't normally do as much work (the calves are the usual
    problem) and then they cramp up. It goes away with a bit
    of training - I've always had horrible cramp in the first
    TT of the year!

    IME cold weather doesn't help, so wear tights if it's below
    about 15 deg C.

  8. Zog The Undeniable said:
    Succorso said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    Salt deficiency is highly unlikely in the modern diet.
    Dehydration by itself doesn't cause cramp - TdF riders
    used to finish stages horribly dehydrated in the old days.
    It's mainly caused by muscles not being up to the demands
    you're putting on them. When your main leg muscles get
    tired you unconsciously shift the load onto muscles that
    don't normally do as much work (the calves are the usual
    problem) and then they cramp up. It goes away with a bit
    of training - I've always had horrible cramp in the first
    TT of the year!

    IME cold weather doesn't help, so wear tights if it's
    below about 15 deg C.

    Thanks for that - glad to say it was warm today, so it
    probably wasn't temperature related. Seems to have passed
    now - having had dinner and wine 🙂

    --
    Chris

  9. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    Wot the others said. Can be shortage of salt, water,
    potassium, food
    - all sorts of things - but in my experience (and I get
    cramp quite frequently) it's overworking tired muscles
    which really causes the problem, especially in cold
    weather.

    Presumably it's because of some strain left over from
    putting in the RSJs, I'd guess.

    A

  10. Quoted message said:

    er, about 3 litres - I have no idea whether that was
    enough - there were a couple of occasions when I thought
    "Hmmm... I'm thirsty" which probably means "not enough".

    Three litres ought to be more than enough over that
    distance, unless it was *very* warm out, but the fact that
    you waited until you were thirsty might have contributed to
    the problem - you should try to take regular sips *before*
    you get thirsty. Feeling thirsty is a sign that you are
    already dehydrated.

    Also a good idea, as others have said, to not push as hard -
    it's the difference between doing aerobic and anaerobic
    exercise. I can never remember which is which, but pushing
    hard* is the type that creates a build-up of lactic acid in
    the muscles and continuing at that level for very long
    invariably leads to cramp.

    And it's a good idea to add some energy formula to your
    water - I use Maxim, which seems to do the trick and is
    reasonably priced compared to some products. Even low
    intensity exercise over a long period can cause problems if
    you don't keep your glycogen levels topped up.

    d.

    *this is relative to the level of fitness of the rider, so
    for an unfit rider 'pushing hard' might mean anything beyond
    very gentle trundling, but if you keep up the cycling you'll
    soon find that you can cruise at 15mph with the same level
    of effort.

  11. Quoted message said:

    I've just got back from a 100+km ride (Foulden, Weeting,
    Brandon, Thetford Forest Green/Blue runs at High Lodge,
    Brandon, Weeting, Foulden, Oxburgh, Cockley Cley,
    Swaffham, Castle Acre, The Dunhams) and since getting
    home, I've had two major bouts of cramp in my legs - on
    the inside of my thighs down to my knees. Ouch!

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl itself,
    or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right on this
    please, so I can avoid this painful condition again?

    An MD of 25 years experience and a constant cyclist gave me
    this advice: pop just a little salt under your tongue. It'll
    pass through the thin wet skin there directly into the
    bloodstream and cure cramp in an instant.

    I've never tried it, since I've never had cramp since
    she told me.

    Of course, it'll only solve the problem is salt shortage is
    the cause of your cramp.

    --
    Callas

  12. Quoted message said:

    Succorso wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I'm sure I remember this is due (as well as my
    exertions) to a lack of some salt - possible NaCl
    itself, or perhaps Potassium. Can someone put me right
    on this please, so I can avoid this painful condition
    again?

    Salt deficiency is highly unlikely in the modern diet.

    When I come off a long ride, my shoes and helmet and caked
    with salt - from my sweat. I wouldn't be surprised if people
    became salt deficient from the demands of riding (as opposed
    to being deficient in the first place from a low-salt diet).

    --
    Callas

  13. Quoted message said:

    When I come off a long ride, my shoes and helmet and caked
    with salt - from my sweat.

    I've wondered about that myself but I asked a nutritionist
    and he said it was highly unlikely that I'd lose enough
    minerals that way for it to be a problem

    d.

  14. Zog The Undeniable said:

    Salt deficiency is highly unlikely in the modern diet.

    I've been diagnosed with salt deficiency before now. It
    depends what you mean by "modern diet" - we do not eat ready
    meals, rarely eat out, never add salt whan cooking, eat very
    few processed foods at all. Sometimes I feel the need to add
    salt to something, usually on a hot day after a long ride.

    Guy

  15. Just zis Guy said:

    I've been diagnosed with salt deficiency before now. It
    depends what you mean by "modern diet" - we do not eat
    ready meals, rarely eat out, never add salt whan cooking,
    eat very few processed foods at all.

    Then that's your problem - you're not getting enough
    junk food ;-)

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