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  1. Found this article amusing & self reflective in attitude. I've never won a trophy but that's the
    goal every raceday for me. I only hope I "place" before I reach my 70's for crissakes. Heck I hope
    to live to be 74, let alone run and race.

    Thu, Sep. 25, 2003 Fire-in-the-belly competitor, 74, runs to win Silas Lyons The Tribune

    SANTA MARGARITA - Just to be contrary, someone should make Don Dunn the spokesman for
    senior fitness.

    Once and for all, we could dispense with the platitudes and condescension and get right down to
    sweat and grit.

    He'd be a welcome relief from the pablum about "older adult athletes" -- the last people it's still
    OK to patronize, if you read news stories and listen to advocacy groups.

    You can save your "Everybody Wins" T-shirt for somebody else.

    Dunn, a 74-year-old retired teacher whose gravelly voice frequently shoots to a crescendo for no
    apparent reason, spends more time at the gym than Arnold Schwarzenegger (especially these days).

    I first met him last summer when I volunteered as announcer for Pismo Beach's Stride with the Tide
    run, which has 5K and 10K races. (Full disclosure: My wife is the event's coordinator.)

    Dunn was fired up about beating Bill Denneen, the well-known environmentalist from Nipomo who on
    that particular morning was the only other male 5K racer in the 70-plus category.

    It was because of Dunn and Denneen's complaints to the city a year before that there was even a
    70-plus category at all. But that didn't make them compadres -- Denneen had protested the old
    65-plus category with a sandwich board sign, and Dunn didn't like his approach.

    The idea of a rivalry between these two men piqued my interest, and it helped when I heard that Dunn
    and his wife enjoy drives on the beach in their 2000 Ford Explorer. Getting vehicles off the sand is
    one of Denneen's dearest causes.

    But it turns out the rivalry was all on Don Dunn's side. Denneen later told me he'd walked much of
    the course.

    In characteristic style, Dunn took the race very seriously, training for weeks with runs on the
    beach and on the gym treadmill, shaving minutes off his miles.

    He won it, by a generous margin.

    And because he's not a cliche, Dunn didn't soft-pedal his win.

    "I beat 'im!" he hollered, when I called to ask about it. "He's an environmentalist, you know?"

    Another great reason to make Don Dunn a spokesman is that he doesn't need a microphone.

    "I don't do it for fun," he told me recently, voice already on its way up. "When I enter a race, I
    want to place!"

    We were sitting in his closet-sized media room that opens into the garage, and a selection of his
    running medals was spread out for my inspection on the table between our recliners.

    He was dressed in a bright red shirt and denim-style shorts made of polyester that hung past his
    knees. He wore running shoes and turquoise-rimmed glasses.

    Dunn, a competitive athlete in high school and college, picked up running again at age 48 because "I
    was weighing too much."

    "The old competitive spirit came back," he said.

    You've got to love a spokesman with good sound bites, and Dunn's got those, too:

    "I jog for fun. But I run for the trophies."

  2. Very fun. Thanks for sharing. Mary

  3. Quoted message said:

    Found this article amusing & self reflective in attitude. I've never won a trophy but that's the
    goal every raceday for me. I only hope I "place" before I reach my 70's for crissakes. Heck I hope
    to live to be 74, let alone run and race.

    That guy has some serious issues if he runs a 37-plus 5K and jumps up and down crowing about it. I
    know a 70-plus runner who regularly goes sub-20.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  4. And I had almost forgotten about my 8K PR effort a year ago(33:56) where I was passed in the last 20
    yards by a 71 year old. His name is Paul Heitzman out of Kansas. He comes down to Tulsa regularly to
    humble us 45-49 r's.

    Brian Baresch wrote: (snip)

    I know a 70-plus runner who regularly goes

    Quoted message said:

    sub-20.

    --
    Random number generation is too vital a task to be left to chance.

  5. "Brian Baresch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:

    That guy has some serious issues if he runs a 37-plus 5K and jumps up and down crowing about it. I
    know a 70-plus runner who regularly goes sub-20.

    No kidding. My dad just won the 70+ division of 15 mile race at a pace more than 2 1/2 minutes per
    mile faster than this guy. I told him I now have a goal for the year 2034...

  6. I limped home in just under four hours in my only marathon and I got dusted in the last mile by a 70
    year old lady.

  7. (Globaldisc) said:

    .... that's great that your dad has the pace he does..kudos to your father....but "pace" and times
    were not the point of the article, you guys are completely missing it by focusing on his times...

    Yeah, we're focusing on the fact that he comes across as a real a**hole. <g>

    Quoted message said:

    the point of the article was to illustrate a "regular joe" who at 74 still has that "fire in the
    belly" (as the article is titled) to train and race and win.

    You don't think the other examples have "fire in their belly?"

    Sorry, this guy is crowing about beating the ONE other guy in his age group. Most of us here who
    race regularly know any number of guys (and gals) faster than him and with a much better attitude
    toward his fellow competitors. I sure don't need him as a spokesman for me.

    Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

  8. Globaldisc wrote:

    I like all this sympathy for old people. If I'm around in another 11 years and still running I
    expect to see some people kneeling before
    me. 🙂 If there is fire in my belly at 70 I'm sure it will be indigestion. 😉

    --
    Doug Freese [email hidden]

  9. Brian Baresch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Found this article amusing & self reflective in attitude. I've never won a trophy but that's the
    goal every raceday for me. I only hope I "place" before I reach my 70's for crissakes. Heck I
    hope to live to be 74, let alone run and race.

    That guy has some serious issues if he runs a 37-plus 5K and jumps up and down crowing about it. I
    know a 70-plus runner who regularly goes sub-20.

    Brian, have you ever run on the sand? The 70+ runner you're talking about might blow a head gasket.

  10. Globaldisc said:

    Found this article amusing & self reflective in attitude. I've never won a trophy but that's the
    goal every raceday for me. I only hope I "place" before I reach my 70's for crissakes. Heck I hope
    to live to be 74, let alone run and race.


    :-) Er, uh, how "CHERRY PICK?" Come on down to some of the smaller beach runs
    around here. The smallest I've done had 19 people - and I still didn't grab an AG 1st <G>. I'll keep
    an eye out for a good one - for both of us.

    Layne

    -------------------------------------------------------
    The rec.running report archives may be found at kinder.cis.unf.edurec.running

  11. Quoted message said:

    Mike, if you make it to 74 and can still run and indeed race, you're allowed to crow about anything
    you want.

    And we'll be allowed to call him an a**hole if he's acting like one. Being 74 doesn't excuse
    rude behavior.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  12. Quoted message said:

    And I had almost forgotten about my 8K PR effort a year ago(33:56) where I was passed in the last
    20 yards by a 71 year old. His name is Paul Heitzman out of Kansas. He comes down to Tulsa
    regularly to humble us 45-49 r's.

    Yeah, that's the guy. A couple of years ago he ran a 5K that converted to an age-graded sub-16. I
    haven't caught him yet.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  13. You're confusing competitive spirit, with being an [censored].

  14. (Globaldisc) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sorry, this guy is crowing about beating the ONE other guy in his age


    group.

    Mike, if you make it to 74 and can still run and indeed race, you're allowed to crow about anything
    you want.

    Brian B's reply expresses my sympathies.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Most of us here who race regularly know any number of guys (and


    gals)

    I bet I race more frequently than you do Mike, and in bigger fields. My point? In my 4 miler race
    on Satuday there 2,250 runners, 5 men aged in the 70-74 grouping.

    In our local 4th of July race, which only has about 250 runners, there are usually 3 guys in the 70+
    group. They get big applause from the crowd at the awards ceremony.

    More importantly, none of them act like an a**hole towards the other competitors in their age group.
    They race to win, then they chat and joke afterward.

    Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

  15. [email hidden] (Globaldisc) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>... []

    Quoted message said:

    I bet I race more frequently than you do Mike, and in bigger fields. My point? In my 4 miler race
    on Satuday there 2,250 runners, 5 men aged in the 70-74 grouping. Sometimes there are more,
    sometimes less. You can't knock a guy for running in a field of 2 for crissakes and taking pride
    in winning his field. Seeing a field of "2" in this age grouping is nothing unusual at all in
    racing in these 5K and 10K races anywhere in the US. For every race event where there is a field
    of 12 runners in this age grouping...you can probably find 100 similar races with ZERO runners in
    this agree grouping.

    Why be tough on the old timer? Let him crow....his hearts beating and he's a
    live. On another note, in a 1 miler sprint race I was in 3 weeks ago, a 72 yr old guy did a
    6:03, an 80 yr old guy did a 7:41.

    There are two separate aspects of this article, and this runner.

    1 race attitude: running to win

    I admire this attitude and I hope I can maintain something close to that as I age. Putting forth
    your best effort, in running, work, or life in general is a good thing. I totally agree that his
    approach to preparing and running the race is great.

    2 POST race attitude: I beat you, ha ha!

    This is the point where I agree with several others, that this is A****** behavior. I've even
    made that comment about George Sheehan. Denegrating your opponents, no matter how bad they are,
    is poor behavior.

    In any sport I compete in, I try to put forth my best. And when I do win, I still have the decency
    to tell my opponent, "great race" or "good game". At times when I've gotten a PR in running, there
    is someone that I competed against during the run. After finishing, I'll let them know they help
    spur me to do my best. I don't expect others to tell me the same, but it sure is nice when they do.

    So if you feel that jeering your fellow runners and generally acting like a spoiled brat after a
    race is a good attitude to have, well you have the right to your opinion. Just don't ask me to
    respect that attitude.

    Ed Prochak

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