Outrage of the Week

Here's an idea; Fence in the leash free area!!!! Dogs run loose and
other park users are unaffected. works well in NJ!!!

A better idea: nix the leash free zones. I'm a longtime dog owner and I love
dogs. It's a modern urban myth that dogs need to run free. If people want to
do that, let them go find a place out in the country somewhere. I can't
count the number of times I've had encounters with big charging unleashed
dogs along bike paths in the city, both as a cyclist and a pedestrian. It
wouldn't be so bad if it didn't also coincide with the apparent fad for very
large dogs.
Pierre

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Here's an idea; Fence in the leash free area!!!! Dogs run loose and
other park users are unaffected. works well in NJ!!!

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From the Guelph Tribune:

'City staff have proposed a code of conduct in leash-free zones in parks
aimed at reducing conflicts between dog owners, cyclists and joggers.

Residents using designated leash-free zones in parks "have experienced
inappropriate behaviour from bicyclists and joggers who speed up by dogs
in these areas", said a staff report that was to be considered at last
night's city council meeting.

The bicyclists and joggers have also complained about being chased by dogs
that are not under the care and control of their owners. "It is a natural
instinct for dogs to chase runners and joggers as well as other running
animals" the report added.

Council's community services community decided last week to recommend to
council that a code of conduct be developed for bicyclist, joggers and dog
owners and it be posted at the entrance to each leash free area in a park.

The code would require the bicyclists to dismount while inside a
leash-free zone, the report said.

As well joggers would be required to stop jogging immediately upon seeing
a dog while in a leash-free zone or to avoid the leash free zone
altogether.

The code would also state that dogs must be under the control of a person
at all times in the leash-free zones.

Under the city's dog bylaw, dogs can be unleashed at anytime while under
control of a person in some parts of the city.'

I hope one of the bicyclists takes a gun, kills Fido and leaves the mutt
where it falls.

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I hope one of the bicyclists takes a gun, kills Fido and leaves the mutt
where it falls.

Amen. It's ridiculous to expect anyone to have to adjust their actions
for the pleasure of another. Cyclists and joggers have a right to move
freely, bolstered by the expectation of bike/ped path use. Animal
owners do not have a right to let their pets roam free, merely an
applied privilege.

Any dog that comes at me, and looks threatening, will receive an
application of self-defense. These are beasts, no matter how we wish
they were human.

If dogs are known to run and chase, why is it my problem all of a
sudden? This has been known for years.

lowkey said:

From the Guelph Tribune:

The bicyclists and joggers have also complained about being chased by dogs
that are not under the care and control of their owners. "It is a natural
instinct for dogs to chase runners and joggers as well as other running
animals" the report added.

....

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Council's community services community decided last week to recommend to
Under the city's dog bylaw, dogs can be unleashed at anytime while under
control of a person in some parts of the city.'

Station a dog catcher at one end of the zone, and let him catch all the
dogs that chase the cyclists and joggers. Those dogs obviously are NOT
under control of their owners.

Pat

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It's ridiculous to expect anyone to have to adjust their actions
for the pleasure of another. Dogs have a right to move
freely, bolstered by the expectation of leash free zones. Bicycle
owners do not have a right to ride free, merely an
applied privilege.

Any cyclist that comes at my dog, and looks threatening, will receive an
application of self-defense. These are beasts, no matter how we wish
they were human.

If dogs are known to run and chase, why is it my problem all of a
sudden? This has been known for years.

bryanska said:

Amen. It's ridiculous to expect anyone to have to adjust their actions
for the pleasure of another. Cyclists and joggers have a right to move
freely, bolstered by the expectation of bike/ped path use. Animal
owners do not have a right to let their pets roam free, merely an
applied privilege.

Why should a dog, in a fecking 'leash-free zone' in a *park* (note, not a
road), have to adjust their actions for the pleasure of bicyclists? Dogs
and dog owners in a 'leash free zone' inf act do have the *right* to let
their dogs run free. That's the point of such a zone.

Jasper

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:15:14 -0500, Pat Lamb <[email hidden]>

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Station a dog catcher at one end of the zone, and let him catch all the
dogs that chase the cyclists and joggers. Those dogs obviously are NOT
under control of their owners.

Any dog that exits the leash free zone sans leash is clearly in violation
of a few ordinances, so give them a hefty fine. Here's another thought:
Why the hell are the bike paths going through the leash-free zones in the
first place?

Jasper

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bryanska said:

Amen. It's ridiculous to expect anyone to have to adjust their actions
for the pleasure of another. Cyclists and joggers have a right to move
freely, bolstered by the expectation of bike/ped path use. Animal
owners do not have a right to let their pets roam free, merely an
applied privilege.

Why should a dog, in a fecking 'leash-free zone' in a *park* (note, not a
road), have to adjust their actions for the pleasure of bicyclists? Dogs
and dog owners in a 'leash free zone' inf act do have the *right* to let
their dogs run free. That's the point of such a zone.

The problem is that the paths through the parks pass through these zones.
Further they are not for the exclusive use of dogs and their owners but an
area where dogs are permitted to be off leash providing - and this is the
pertinent point - THEY ARE UNDER CONTROL OF THE OWNER. If they are attacking
joggers and cyclists they are not under control.

They are saying - in effect - that if you want to use a MUP that runs
through the parks you must dismount and walk your bike through these zones.

"Jasper Janssen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:15:14 -0500, Pat Lamb <[email hidden]>

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Station a dog catcher at one end of the zone, and let him catch all the
dogs that chase the cyclists and joggers. Those dogs obviously are NOT
under control of their owners.

Any dog that exits the leash free zone sans leash is clearly in violation
of a few ordinances, so give them a hefty fine. Here's another thought:
Why the hell are the bike paths going through the leash-free zones in the
first place?

That's a good question but that is the way it is.

Jasper Janssen wrote:
:: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:15:14 -0500, Pat Lamb
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Station a dog catcher at one end of the zone, and let him catch all
::: the dogs that chase the cyclists and joggers. Those dogs obviously
::: are NOT under control of their owners.
::
:: Any dog that exits the leash free zone sans leash is clearly in
:: violation of a few ordinances, so give them a hefty fine. Here's
:: another thought: Why the hell are the bike paths going through the
:: leash-free zones in the first place?

Do you think I dog is really going to be bothered by a hefty fine? 🙂

Is a dog off a leash really under the control of its owner? If it were,
they'd be no problem, right?

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Here's an idea; Fence in the leash free area!!!! Dogs run loose and
other park users are unaffected. works well in NJ!!!

Do you live in the same Jersey that I live in????? Every time I go to
the park, the dogs are off leash. Are there actually leash laws in New
Jersey? I've lived here forever....how did that escape me? The only
dog law, I know about has to do with pooper scoopers...and carrying
around a baggie to pick up their doodie. I have a big giant Labrador.
But even with those laws, you still step in alot of [censored] around this
state.

Maggie

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They are saying - in effect - that if you want to use a MUP that

runs

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through the parks you must dismount and walk your bike through these

zones.

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And that is outrageous because ...?

Share the park or ride on the road.

According to this site
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
which may or may not be reliable, as a result of dog bites "800,000
need medical attention. 1,000 per day need treatment in hospital
emergency rooms. Between 15 and 20 die per year. Most of the victims
who receive medical attention are children, half of whom are bitten in
the face. Dog bite losses exceed $1 billion per year, with $345 million
paid by insurance."

It's a shame so many children are affected, rather than city
councilmen.

Make the leash free zones clothing optional--then most cyclists will be
happy to get off their bikes. ;-)

Matthew Venhaus said:

Share the park or ride on the road.

That's fine, but I'm not interested in sharing my flesh with a dog. If
a dog attacks me without provocation on public land, that dog should be
euthanised (if only because euthanising the irresponsible owner would
be more difficult). A normal activity like riding a bike or jogging is
not provocation.

If cities want to establish leash-free areas, they should be fenced in,
and the dog owners should pay for it. Dog have no rights, and pet
ownership is a luxury.

RichC

Jasper Janssen said:

Any dog that exits the leash free zone sans leash is clearly in
violation of a few ordinances, so give them a hefty fine.

40 Milkbones first offense; 100 Snausages after that!

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Here's
another thought: Why the hell are the bike paths going through the
leash-free zones in the first place?

Bingo.

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Why should a dog, in a fecking 'leash-free zone' in a *park* (note, not a
road), have to adjust their actions for the pleasure of bicyclists? Dogs
and dog owners in a 'leash free zone' inf act do have the *right* to let
their dogs run free. That's the point of such a zone.

Jasper

Because dogs aren't humans! In no way are the rights of any dog
superior to the rights of a human.

A leash-free zone doesn't preclude the rights of humans to go about
their legal business in a public place.

Because I see a dog without a leash, I have to dismount my bike? Riding
is legal first, dogs are OK off the leash SECOND.

Shoot - even without a bike, I have to adjust my pace and stop running?
A dog chasing me is not my problem, it's the owners' problem. The law
already states the dog must be "under control" for a reason. It should
stop there.

OR

Put up some fences.

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Dogs have no rights, and pet ownership is a luxury.

Exactly my point.