Oxidative Overload in Aids

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Solving the Antioxidant Question in Aids

Published on Monday, March 26, 2007
by Healthy News Service

http://www.healthy.net/scr/news.asp?Id=9035

Well, more polemical nonsense.

Glutathione depletion is not seen in every person with HIV.
Antioxidants are NOT a cure for AIDS.

That being said, restoring and/or maintaining glutathione levels is an
important part of a comprehensive approach to managing HIV disease.
Selenium, a multivitamin, N-acetylcysteine, whey proteins, alpha
lipoic acid--all are important parts of a complete regimen. And when
needed, antiretroviral therapy is essential.

I have been doing this work for nearly 18 years and I can tell you,
none of that cures HIV disease. But together, they can help people
approach an expectation of a normal life span.

To say antiviral drugs are not necessary is lethally stupid. As most
HIV+ denialists have discovered: most of them have died of AIDS.

Mathias Rath is a bonehead and a murderer. Not quite as bad as the
lowlife scum at Abbott Pharmaceuticals, but almost.

George M. Carter

***
As if murdering PWAs with exorbitant pricing isn't enough, now they
attack people directly.
George M. Carter

***
http://www.eatg.org/news/newsitem.php?id=1911
Abbott sues Act Up-Paris
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
Drug company sues PLWAs for the first time

Pharmaceutical company Abbott decided to sue PLWAs group Act Up-Paris
in response to the April 26th, 2007 netstrike we organized against the
drug manufacturer: the first time a drug company has used legal action
against us. Yet this strategy will force Abbott to justify its
criminal decisions, which are depriving PLWAs in Tha land of the
company’s new drugs, effectively sentencing them to death.

* The True Crime: Abbott’s policy

Last December, Tha land issued compulsory licenses on several drugs,
one of them patented by Abbott. By licensing particular drugs, the
Thai government can produce or import less expensive, generic copies
of the medicines, allowing the Thai health system to vastly increase
the number of patients it treats.

Even though the Thai government’s decision explicitly respects
international agreements on intellectual property, Abbott decided to
retaliate in a brand new way: by refusing to register its new
drugs-including the heat-stable Kaletra, a second line drug, needed by
PLWAs in the case of therapeutic failure-in Thailand. Abott is
effectively sentencing Thai AIDS patients to death.

* No Possible Appeal

Abbott’s decision went against international agreements on
intellectual property (TRIPS) signed by the government members of the
WTO. But the very same agreements don’t provide an appeal process to
the WTO in the case that a private industrial group decides to ignore
them. Only governments are accountable to the WTO. Though illegitimate
and criminal, Abbott’s decision is not legally questionable.

The WHO and, for instance, the French Minister of Foreign Affairs,
supported the Thai government’s decision. Numerous doctors and
researchers denounced Abbott’s retaliation and called for a boycott of
the company’s products, a very rare act by health workers. Among the
shareholders, a strong minority urged the company’s leaders to step
back and to withdraw their criminal decision. Without any result.

* Public Challenge, the Last Weapon Abbott Wants to Deprive us of

To defend their lives, the only option for PLWAs was to publicly
challenge the company. On April 26, the day before the General
Assembly of Abbott’s shareholders, a network of Thai PLWAs called for
an international day of action, supported by NGOs around the world.

Act Up-Paris called upon activists all over the world to participate
in a netstrike. Hundreds, even thousands of people in France,
Thailand, the U.S. and elsewhere, repeatedly visited Abbott’s website
in order to force a slowing down of its servers.

Three weeks later, Abbott filed a complaint against Act Up-Paris. The
laboratory wants us to be condemned for “service denial.” Should this
be accepted by the court, we could be sentenced to very high
penalties. The fine could reach $50,000, not including liabilities, a
communique release of the verdict (paid communication) and legal
expenses. These expenses would be incredibly damaging to our
organization and are a drop in the bucket compared to Abbott’s
profits. This legal action is clearly an attempt by the laboratory to
silence Act Up-Paris.

* Bringing Abbott’s suit rather than Act Up’s

The legal article Abbott is using against Act Up-Paris stipulates that
it is forbidden to limit the access to a website, unless the defendant
acted under a “legitimate motive”. Is defending patients’ lives
against profit illegitimate? The call for a boycott issued by Thai
patients, public declarations made by the WHO and officials in the
French government, as well as political actions around the world
supports the
legitimacy of our motive.

By suing us, Abbott will have to prove that the lives of thousands of
Thai people is not legitimate enough a motive to criticize publicly a
medicine company. The lawsuit the laboratory is bringing against us,
patients, will reveal to the world the very obscenity of Abbott’s
actions in Thailand.

***We request from Abbott’s leaders to:

-- Stop threatening countries which are doing nothing more than
resorting to their rights, in agreement/compliance with international
treaties.
-- Withdraw their decision to put to death thousands of HIV+ people in
Thailand.
-- Take back their complaint against Act Up-Paris.

SOURCE: Act Up-Paris

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"managing HIV disease"

That's the new mantra, either that or "therapies." \

It's a 25+ year "mantra" and I wonder if you ever knew anyone with
HIV.

You're an idiot. And you're brand of [censored] kills people.

George M. Carter

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On Jun 14, 5:00 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote:

Well, more polemical nonsense<<

polemic: of or involving dispute or controversy
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

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On Jun 14, 5:00 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote:

Glutathione depletion is not seen in every person with HIV<<

One might wonder HOW .. you .. DO .. your glutathione depletion ..
studies .. mr. carter .. to be ABLE to say that with such ..
conviction .. especially in such a devastating .. disease.

"have a high percentage of methemoglobin"

You disagree .. ?

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On Jun 14, 5:00 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote:

To say antiviral drugs are not necessary is lethally stupid.<<

It is the .. terrain .. mr. carter ..

It is like a .. garden ..

Tend to the .. terrain .. as EVIDENCED by the studies which show ..
anti-viral BY iron restriction.

Orr .. the hypothesis of malnutrition .. therefore ..
**terrain** .. ? .. again .. ?

Scientists propose new causes for AIDS
2nd February 2000
Times Of India
Staff Reporter:
NEW DELHI:

Three foreign scientists Tuesday claimed that AIDS was not caused by
human
immunodeficiency virus (HIV) but by malnutrition, overuse of drugs
and
supression of the immune system by other infections. However, their
theory has
not been accepted or published in any of the leading scientific or
medical
research journals.

The three scientists, Roberto Gilardo from the New York Hospital
Cornell
Medical Centre; Etienne P de Harvey, a former scientist of Banting
Institute in
Toronto and Clause Koehnlein, a private doctor from Kiel in Germany,
told
reporters here that the theory that HIV caused AIDS was a "big
scientific
mistake" committed by the scientific community in the last two
decades.

They claimed the method used to isolate and purify the HIV virus in
the early
eighties was faulty.

Though the theory that HIV does not cause AIDS has been floated by a
few
individuals for over a decade, most leading international scientific
and
medical research journals have not accepted the claim.

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Tom

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:59:02 -0700, "[email hidden]"

Quoted message said:

Solving the Antioxidant Question in Aids

Quoted message said:

Published on Monday, March 26, 2007
by Healthy News Service

Quoted message said:

http://www.healthy.net/scr/news.asp?Id=9035

Well, more polemical nonsense.

Glutathione depletion is not seen in every person with HIV.
Antioxidants are NOT a cure for AIDS.

That being said, restoring and/or maintaining glutathione levels is an
important part of a comprehensive approach to managing HIV disease.
Selenium, a multivitamin, N-acetylcysteine, whey proteins, alpha
lipoic acid--all are important parts of a complete regimen. And when
needed, antiretroviral therapy is essential.

I have been doing this work for nearly 18 years and I can tell you,
none of that cures HIV disease. But together, they can help people
approach an expectation of a normal life span.

To say antiviral drugs are not necessary is lethally stupid. As most
HIV+ denialists have discovered: most of them have died of AIDS.

Mathias Rath is a bonehead and a murderer. Not quite as bad as the
lowlife scum at Abbott Pharmaceuticals, but almost.

George M. Carter

***
As if murdering PWAs with exorbitant pricing isn't enough, now they
attack people directly.
George M. Carter

***http://www.eatg.org/news/newsitem.php?id=1911
Abbott sues Act Up-Paris
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
Drug company sues PLWAs for the first time

Pharmaceutical company Abbott decided to sue PLWAs group Act Up-Paris
in response to the April 26th, 2007 netstrike we organized against the
drug manufacturer: the first time a drug company has used legal action
against us. Yet this strategy will force Abbott to justify its
criminal decisions, which are depriving PLWAs in Tha land of the
company's new drugs, effectively sentencing them to death.

* The True Crime: Abbott's policy

Last December, Tha land issued compulsory licenses on several drugs,
one of them patented by Abbott. By licensing particular drugs, the
Thai government can produce or import less expensive, generic copies
of the medicines, allowing the Thai health system to vastly increase
the number of patients it treats.

Even though the Thai government's decision explicitly respects
international agreements on intellectual property, Abbott decided to
retaliate in a brand new way: by refusing to register its new
drugs-including the heat-stable Kaletra, a second line drug, needed by
PLWAs in the case of therapeutic failure-in Thailand. Abott is
effectively sentencing Thai AIDS patients to death.

* No Possible Appeal

Abbott's decision went against international agreements on
intellectual property (TRIPS) signed by the government members of the
WTO. But the very same agreements don't provide an appeal process to
the WTO in the case that a private industrial group decides to ignore
them. Only governments are accountable to the WTO. Though illegitimate
and criminal, Abbott's decision is not legally questionable.

The WHO and, for instance, the French Minister of Foreign Affairs,
supported the Thai government's decision. Numerous doctors and
researchers denounced Abbott's retaliation and called for a boycott of
the company's products, a very rare act by health workers. Among the
shareholders, a strong minority urged the company's leaders to step
back and to withdraw their criminal decision. Without any result.

* Public Challenge, the Last Weapon Abbott Wants to Deprive us of

To defend their lives, the only option for PLWAs was to publicly
challenge the company. On April 26, the day before the General
Assembly of Abbott's shareholders, a network of Thai PLWAs called for
an international day of action, supported by NGOs around the world.

Act Up-Paris called upon activists all over the world to participate
in a netstrike. Hundreds, even thousands of people in France,
Thailand, the U.S. and elsewhere, repeatedly visited Abbott's website
in order to force a slowing down of its servers.

Three weeks later, Abbott filed a complaint against Act Up-Paris. The
laboratory wants us to be condemned for "service denial." Should this
be accepted by the court, we could be sentenced to very high
penalties. The fine could reach $50,000, not including liabilities, a
communique release of the verdict (paid communication) and legal
expenses. These expenses would be incredibly damaging to our
organization and are a drop in the bucket compared to Abbott's
profits. This legal action is clearly an attempt by the laboratory to
silence Act Up-Paris.

* Bringing Abbott's suit rather than Act Up's

The legal article Abbott is using against Act Up-Paris stipulates that
it is forbidden to limit the access to a website, unless the defendant
acted under a "legitimate motive". Is defending patients' lives
against profit illegitimate? The call for a boycott issued by Thai
patients, public declarations made by the WHO and officials in the
French government, as well as political actions around the world
supports the
legitimacy of our motive.

By suing us, Abbott will have to prove that the lives of thousands of
Thai people is not legitimate enough a motive to criticize publicly a
medicine company. The lawsuit the laboratory is bringing against us,
patients, will reveal to the world the very obscenity of Abbott's
actions in Thailand.

***We request from Abbott's leaders to:

-- Stop threatening countries which are doing nothing more than
resorting to their rights, in agreement/compliance with international
treaties.
-- Withdraw their decision to put to death thousands of HIV+ people in
Thailand.
-- Take back their complaint against Act Up-Paris.

SOURCE: Act Up-Paris

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Quoted message said:

On Jun 14, 5:00 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote:

Well, more polemical nonsense<<

polemic: of or involving dispute or controversy
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 14, 5:00 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote:

Glutathione depletion is not seen in every person with HIV<<

One might wonder HOW .. you .. DO .. your glutathione depletion ..
studies .. mr. carter .. to be ABLE to say that with such ..
conviction .. especially in such a devastating .. disease.

HOW do you do your Iron studies, mr. whatever the hell your name is.

It's in the literature.

The rest of your post is rather dull and merely repeat denialist cant
wtihout any kind of understanding of what it means.

HIV causes AIDS. Ask David Pasquarelli.

Only problem is, he had HIV, didn't believe in it, and died of AIDS.

Not malnourishment. Not recreational drug use. If these caused AIDS,
there would be a LOT more people with 5 CD4 cells and pneumocystis.
Likewise, everyone with your putative iron overload would have AIDS.
They don't.

Addressing redox status DOES make sense in HIV disease and I think
there is ample evidence for that statement. But it is not the whole
story.

George M. Carter

On Jun 17, 4:46 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote: Likewise,
everyone with your putative iron overload would have AIDS.
They don't.<<

There are over twenty five hundred diseases .. and the people you
'say' .. "would have aids .. " .. do have other diseases ..

Malaria , tuberculosis . hepatitis .. or .. or .. or .. pick some of
the twenty-five hundred ..

If YOU .. as a 'scientist' AS you .. claim .. pull out the hoary
chesnut OF .. "then everyone would have it.. " .. means .. ? .. you
are not really that .. scientific ..

Maybe even a bit .. juvenile ..

But since you .. believe .. you ARE being .. scientific .. let's look
at YOUR evidence ..

Sub sahara .. Africa .. very high incidence of .. Aids .. very high
incidence of iron overload ..

Gays .. iron overload causes .. endocrine .. problems ..

Now you can .. say .. it isn't .. associated .. but it seems if
someone presents you WITH .. Aids .. WHEN you have iron overload ..
means .. you 'catch' .. it ..

IF .. you are presented with it ..

I'm sure you know how one is presented with .. it ..

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On Jun 17, 10:09 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Now you can .. say .. it isn't .. associated .. but it seems if
someone presents you WITH .. Aids .. WHEN you have iron overload ..
means .. you 'catch' .. it ..

IF .. you are presented with it .. <<

Remember .. lactoferrin cannot .. inhibit .. anything .. ONCE .. it is
full of iron.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/oct2000_report_lactoferrin.html

"lactoferrin strongly binds to the V3 loop of the gp120 receptor on
HIV-1 and HIV-2, resulting in inhibition of virus-cell fusion and
entry of the virus into cells."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oral lactoferrin in HIV-1 vertically infected children: an
observational follow-up of plasma viral load and immune parameters.
Zuccotti GV, Salvini F, Riva E, Agostoni C
J Int Med Res. 2006 Jan-Feb ; 34(1): 88-94

Lactoferrin (LF) is a mammalian iron-binding glycoprotein with
antiviral effects. This preliminary study evaluated 6 months' LF (3
g/day, orally) treatment in 22 human immunodeficiency virus type 1
(HIV-1) vertically infected children. Plasma viral load and CD4+ cell
counts were assessed every 3 months; before, during and after LF
administration. No significant changes were observed during the
pre-treatment period. By 6 months, mean (+/- SD) plasma viral load
(log10) declined from 4.54 (+/- 0.65) to 4.28 (+/- 0.60); median
percentage CD4+ cell count increased from 21.5% to 24.5%. Two months
after treatment discontinuation, mean plasma viral load did not
differ
significantly from baseline or month 6 levels, but the percentage
CD4+
cell count remained significantly higher than the baseline value. LF
plus antiretroviral (ARV) therapy was more effective at increasing
CD4+
cell count than LF alone. None of the patients showed any new
HIV-1-related symptoms at follow-up. LF might be a useful addition to
ARV therapy, but further large-scale studies are required.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2ohoxf

<<snip>>
Lactoferrin probably exerts its effect at the level of viral
adsorption,
<<snip>>

: J Infect Dis 2002 Oct 15;186(8):1161-1164 Links

Lactoferrin Inhibits Enterovirus 71 Infection of Human Embryonal
Rhabdomyosarcoma Cells In Vitro.

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On Jun 17, 4:46 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote: Likewise,
everyone with your putative iron overload would have AIDS.
They don't.<<

There are over twenty five hundred diseases .. and the people you
'say' .. "would have aids .. " .. do have other diseases ..

Malaria , tuberculosis . hepatitis .. or .. or .. or .. pick some of
the twenty-five hundred ..

2500?? Where did that number come from?

And no, AIDS is NOT the same as TB or hepatitis or malaria.

Quoted message said:

If YOU .. as a 'scientist' AS you .. claim .. pull out the hoary
chesnut OF .. "then everyone would have it.. " .. means .. ? .. you
are not really that .. scientific ..

OK, I am not nor never claimed to be a scientist.

As to the rest of your tired comments--feh.

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Maybe even a bit .. juvenile ..

But since you .. believe .. you ARE being .. scientific .. let's look
at YOUR evidence ..

Sub sahara .. Africa .. very high incidence of .. Aids .. very high
incidence of iron overload ..

Some do--MANY have iron-deficiency anemia.

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Gays .. iron overload causes .. endocrine .. problems ..

Gays?? Why do "Gays" have iron overload compared to heterosexuals?

And just gay men, not lesbians?

Where is your evidence for EITHER statement above?

George M. Carter

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On Jun 18, 3:37 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote: Gays?? Why do "Gays" have iron overload compared to heterosexuals?

And just gay men, not lesbians?<<

A colloquial description of a homosexual or lesbian person.
www.12-12-12.org/bookappi.htm

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Where is your evidence for EITHER statement above?

George M. Carter <<

This .. hypogonadism .. is well known.
Hiv seropositives manifest hypogonadism at a very high rate .. 50%.

They have .. "reasons" .. for this .. phenomenon.

<<snip>>
3. Hypogonadism is found in AIDS patients and is determined by
measuring free testosterone. Injections of testosterone caused
spiking levels. At the high levels there was a good sense of well
being followed by a crash. Prostatetic hypertrophy and viscous blood
could be negative side effects. Testosterone gels were found to
produce stable levels in which the patient felt better in general
without these side effects.(17)
<<snip>>

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.med.diseases.lyme/msg/3cb38d526d8fb6f4?hl=en&

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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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On Jun 19, 3:06 am, GMCarter <[email hidden]> wrote:Yeah. Happens to men and women with AIDS (regardless of sexual

orientation). What's iron got to do with it?<<

Hypogonadism at one time had only one treatment .. bloodletting.

Hypogonadism is THE most common endocrine problem in iron excess.

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Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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