Pannier bags

DJ said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive than
the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this stage
that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs due
to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is that
what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make the
best choice.

Cheers

DJ

DJ,

I have some cheap ($100) red Tioga's which I'm reasonably happy with for commuting but wouldn't say they are great and wouldn't recommend for touring. The clips are a bit of a let down and have required some modification to prevent them escaping mid-trip.

I'm yet to find someone unhappy with Ortlieb. I don't recommend Clarence St as the purchase point - head down to Active8 (I think) on the cnr of Bathurst and Kent (opp Paddy Pallin) as they are the Australian distributor of Ortlieb. They have most of the range. Possibly cheaper too.

Have you actually seen WE panniers in a store? I was after them a few months ago and WE sold me they didn't know of any remaining as they were waiting on the release of a new range. WE tends to be excellent quality in back-packs, tents etc so assume panniers would be very good.

Good luck.

CS

I've been using some cheap no name panniers for a while with an
elaborate system of ocky straps to prevent them coming off. My question
is on racks. I've got the rack that was fitted with the child's seat.
I've seen a number of tha pannier makers also make racks. Do you need
the rack pannier combo, or will panniers from one maker fit the rack
from another?

DaveB

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DJ said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on
buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the
best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be
a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb
rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they
look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive
than
the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this
stage
that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take
a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs
due
to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is
that
what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags
that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations
and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make
the
best choice.

Cheers

DJ

DJ,

I have some cheap ($100) red Tioga's which I'm reasonably happy with
for commuting but wouldn't say they are great and wouldn't recommend
for touring. The clips are a bit of a let down and have required some
modification to prevent them escaping mid-trip.

I'm yet to find someone unhappy with Ortlieb. I don't recommend
Clarence St as the purchase point - head down to Active8 (I think) on
the cnr of Bathurst and Kent (opp Paddy Pallin) as they are the
Australian distributor of Ortlieb. They have most of the range.
Possibly cheaper too.

Hey Thanks Cameron for that tip, I never knew about this store but I'm damn
sure I will go and check them out.
I Knew Active8 were the distributors but never knew about their shop.
Thanks again DJ

Quoted message said:

Have you actually seen WE panniers in a store? I was after them a few
months ago and WE sold me they didn't know of any remaining as they
were waiting on the release of a new range. WE tends to be excellent
quality in back-packs, tents etc so assume panniers would be very
good.

I beleive WE are a Perth based company but have a shop in Katoomba somewhere
near the railstation (I think).

Paddy Pallin is supposed to be their main distributor in Australia plus a
few others. zi thin the Panniers I was looking at on the wen were in the
high $300's.

Cheers
DJ

Quoted message said:

Good luck.

CS

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cameron_s

DJ wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

[snip]

The Ortleibs are great, top quality, and the hooks work very well. You just
yank the bag up and both hooks release - no mucking about with clips.
For some reason I find this really cool at the end of a long day. I can't
say
I noticed anything sweating in the heat. They are totally waterproof, I've
chucked a bag of ice and beers in them as used them as an esky 🙂

Having said that I've also got a pair of cheapish Tioga panniers which work
just as well as the Ortlieb. They are shower proof, but just buy a whole
heap
of different size and colour waterproof stuff-sacks, which makes it a lot
easier
to find stuff e.g. dirty vs clean clothes, camera gear etc.

Quoted message said:

I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs due to having outside pockets
and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is that what it's there for?).

I guess, I had a tent on the top of the rack held on with straps. I just
chucked any
thing damp (usually a towel or a pair of knicks) under the strap to dry out.

Adam

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Quoted message said:

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>> "DJ" == DJ <[email hidden]> writes:

DJ> I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some
DJ> of the best around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've
DJ> also read it can be a disadvantage due to things sweating badly
DJ> in the heat.

I've been using Ortleib for over a year, can't fault them. Well worth
the money.

Not sure if that helped or not but there you go :-)
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Cheers
Euan

DaveB said:

I've been using some cheap no name panniers for a while with an
elaborate system of ocky straps to prevent them coming off. My question
is on racks. I've got the rack that was fitted with the child's seat.
I've seen a number of tha pannier makers also make racks. Do you need
the rack pannier combo, or will panniers from one maker fit the rack
from another?

It depends {:-)

I've always liked panniers that have a couple of ute hooks that clip
onto racks made of round tube (usually <=10mmO.D.) I roll my own
panniers, but Bunyip are a good brand.

Other panniers can have proprietary systems.

DJ said:

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

When you're caught touring in the rain *all day*, that night you unpack
your stuff to find it 100% dry, the extra cost of ortliebs will instantly
justify itself to you.

I don't know that we've ever had anything 'sweat'. We keep dirty clothes
in the pannier in a separate plastic bag (small bin liners are good),
and wet clean clothes get lashed to the top of the rack in a calico bag so
(hopefully) they dry out.

Having bought Ortliebs before, I'd buy them again.
(Their dry-bags are good too)

-kt

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Kingsley Turner,
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DJ said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive than
the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this stage
that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs due
to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is that
what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make the
best choice.

Cheers

DJ

I have been using Carradice (UK) for some years. Not waterproof but
garbage bags are cheap.

A very important points in a pannier is secure fixing, many (including
my Carradice) have a strap and hook at the bottom. I have seen these
come loose and that can be a disaster if it goes in the wheel.

I understand Ortlieb do not have a side pocket, these avery uiseful for
tools etc, you do not want to unpack your clothes to fix a puncture.

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Quoted message said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend
on buying new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones
around) but I'm not enirely sure which brand to choose.

I have used WE panniers for over 10 years of commuting and
touring including some trips of over 2 months duration.
I have the duck not the nylon fabric.

I have found them virtually indestructible. The only problem
is the attachment system to the rack. They can be difficult to
install on a cold morning when the polythene is cold and can
bounce off on rough roads. However there is a strap across the
top so they don't fall onto the road or anything catastrophic.
MEC used to sell better clips which make them easier to attach
and prevent them from bouncing off. MEC may still sell these
clips, I haven't checked.

Note that my panniers were bought about 1990 and I am not
familiar with their current design.

The choice between waterproof and non-waterproof is a bit of
a religious issue with people adamant that one or the other
is better. In general, if your main use is commuting where
you start and finish in a dry location, waterproof is better.
If your main use is touring where you often need to pack wet gear
consider non-waterproof.

I was in a touring club which had brand new WE and Ortleib
panniers available for short term hire. One English girl
toured frequently and tried both types. She remarked that
she was going to buy Ortleibs when she returned to England.

In the same club, riding the same trips was a guy who owned
a battered old set of Karrimors and a brand new set of
Ortliebs. He used the old Karrimors for touring and the
Ortliebs around town.

My casual observation of the two of them was that the girl
carried far more clothes and changed them more frequently.
The guy sweated far more heavily and carried far more food
and a liquid fuel stove.

So ... decide into which category you fit and buy accordingly<g>.

DJ said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

snip

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this stage
that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs due
to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is that
what it's there for?).

Cheers

DJ

Check out Bunyip bags. Made in Tassie, deffinitely all Australian. Canvas. Bullet proof for touring.
About the biggest rear bag you can get. And collapses down to a small size.
Two outside pockets, rainproof. (Trust me - I tour with them and they dont leak!)
Cheaper than the ortlieb and about twice as versatile. Simple non breakable attachments. I've never had one bounce off even mountain bike touring. They have secure straps at top to hold them on once they are hooked.

OK Im a convert. I never even consider others because these are so good. (well i had a brief dalliance with a friends ortliebs but the lack of pockets sucks on tour and in town.)

AND if your nice the maker in Tassie will customise for you..

Tom

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Quoted message said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive

than

Quoted message said:

the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this

stage

Quoted message said:

that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs

due

Quoted message said:

to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is

that

Quoted message said:

what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make the
best choice.

I have used quality canvas panniers for the past 20 years and find them
excellent - Bunyips (NSW made) and Quipment (a Victorian brand that didn't
continue long). Canvas is quite waterproof, shown to me many times when bags
were left out in pouring rain overnight, bike dropped sideways in a river
ford, or when the bags bounced off and a bottle of Tahbilk port broke,
turning the pannier into a wine bucket. WE panniers are extremely well made
and have a good mounting system. Carradice SuperC bags look to be very good
also.

Many cycletourists are now using Ortlieb. They are totally waterproof, but I
am uncertain about the 'damp clothes in hot sun' sweat factor. The rolltop
single compartment version is cheaper, but they make one with a top flap and
side mesh pocket, and also make attachable pockets. The Ortlieb mount is one
of the best features about the bags, and their Classic bags with the QL1
mount is the better version.

Recommend you look at:
www.sjscycles.com and go to their onlne store. This is a truly wonderful
touring site, and they ship quite promptly. Purchasing this way is a very
cost effective option. (Dodge flames from LBS!!)

I've heard reports that the Ortlieb mounts is much more rigid than the
Deuter version. See:
http://www.downtheroad.org/Equipment/Bikes/Bicycle_Touring_Panniers.htm for
a thorough comparison. This couple were touring Latin & South America for 2
years, giving their gear a good workout

Ortlieb are getting to be the most popular pannier brand in my touring
club - Melbourne Bicycle Touring Club, the best cycling club in Victoria,
probably in Australia www.mbtc.org.au

Cheers
Peter
Cheers
Peter

kingsley said:

DJ said:

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the
best around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can
be a disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

When you're caught touring in the rain *all day*, that night you unpack
your stuff to find it 100% dry, the extra cost of ortliebs will instantly
justify itself to you.

PS> We also have their base-model handlebar bags. Generally chuck the
camera, wallet, sunburn-cream & what-not into these. They get a bit noisy
if you keep dropping handfuls of change in, but other than that they are
good. After a few years the map-pouch has gone cloudy and yellow, so
I'm going to have to get another one.

I think the upper models have some mesh pockets inside and out. I can
see that these might be useful, but at the time I couldn't justify the
extra money.

-kt

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Quoted message said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive
than the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this
stage that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can
take a bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the
Ortleibs due to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on
the move(is that what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make the
best choice.

Cheers

DJ

Thanks all you guys out there for your advice and suggestions, i'm madly
clicking and browsing websites for different brands, prices etc.

I think I might go with the Ortleibs.

Cheers
DJ

Hello,

I got a courier bag instead of panniers. It can carry, jeans, jumper,
shoes, thick parker type thing, oracle dba certification books and a few
spares. 🙂 Its the largest crumpler one.

The only negative, is you get very hot and sweaty across your back and
strap.

Paul

DJ said:

"DJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on
buying new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but
I'm not enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of
the best around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also
read it can be a disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the
heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the
ortlieb rack clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these
yet but they look like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence
Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more
expensive than the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this
stage that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that
can take a bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter
over the Ortleibs due to having outside pockets and mesh for drying
stuff out on the move(is that what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags
that you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you
recommendations and experience with any brand, type, price etc
please so that I can make the best choice.

Cheers

DJ

Thanks all you guys out there for your advice and suggestions, i'm
madly clicking and browsing websites for different brands, prices
etc.

I think I might go with the Ortleibs.

Cheers
DJ

"DJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive

than

Quoted message said:

the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this

stage

Quoted message said:

that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs

due

Quoted message said:

to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is

that

Quoted message said:

what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make the
best choice.

Cheers

DJ

On our 23 month, 19,000 km ride around Australia we had a set of the Tioga
each and I also had a set of Ortlieb's. The Tioga were not waterproof and
the plastic coated cardboard soon went out of shape, but that being said,
they performed admirably and we still have them and use them. The Ortlieb's
were waterproof and also took their fair share of a pasting on the trip as
well.
We would definitely recommend the Ortlieb's (worth every cent) and would
also give the Tioga's a fair wrap as well. Bear in mind that we used some
waterproofing in a can to try and waterproof the Tioga's about halfway round
and it sure helped.
Hope this helps with your quest.

regards

Andrew & Joanne

http:/www.where2pedalto.gr8m8s.net

Peter Signorini said:

"DJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

G'day folks!!

I'm in the market for some good rear touring panniers and intend on buying
new (unless theres some real good cheap used ones around) but I'm not
enirely sure which brand to choose.

I've read up on the Ortleibs though expensive, seem to be some of the best
around and being waterproof is a big plus but I've also read it can be a
disadvantage due to things sweating badly in the heat.

Dueter pannier bags seem to be reasonably priced and have the ortlieb rack
clips on the back, Haven't heard any comments on these yet but they look
like a well made pannier(seen some at Clarence Cycles).

Wilderness equipment have nice Aussie made bags but are more expensive

than

Quoted message said:

the Ortliebs.

There are the cheaper bags like Tioga and Gnog.

I want them for touring and general commuting use but I doubt at this

stage

Quoted message said:

that I'd be doing anything extreme but possibly something that can take a
bit of work and is roomy. I kind of favour the Deuter over the Ortleibs

due

Quoted message said:

to having outside pockets and mesh for drying stuff out on the move(is

that

Quoted message said:

what it's there for?).

If any of you guys or girls out there do some touring or have bags that
you've used regularly or on tour, please give me you recommendations and
experience with any brand, type, price etc please so that I can make the
best choice.

I have used quality canvas panniers for the past 20 years and find them
excellent - Bunyips (NSW made) and Quipment (a Victorian brand that didn't
continue long). Canvas is quite waterproof, shown to me many times when bags
were left out in pouring rain overnight, bike dropped sideways in a river
ford, or when the bags bounced off and a bottle of Tahbilk port broke,
turning the pannier into a wine bucket. WE panniers are extremely well made
and have a good mounting system. Carradice SuperC bags look to be very good
also.

Many cycletourists are now using Ortlieb. They are totally waterproof, but I
am uncertain about the 'damp clothes in hot sun' sweat factor. The rolltop
single compartment version is cheaper, but they make one with a top flap and
side mesh pocket, and also make attachable pockets. The Ortlieb mount is one
of the best features about the bags, and their Classic bags with the QL1
mount is the better version.

Recommend you look at:
www.sjscycles.com and go to their onlne store. This is a truly wonderful
touring site, and they ship quite promptly. Purchasing this way is a very
cost effective option. (Dodge flames from LBS!!)

I've heard reports that the Ortlieb mounts is much more rigid than the
Deuter version. See:
http://www.downtheroad.org/Equipment/Bikes/Bicycle_Touring_Panniers.htm for
a thorough comparison. This couple were touring Latin & South America for 2
years, giving their gear a good workout

Ortlieb are getting to be the most popular pannier brand in my touring
club - Melbourne Bicycle Touring Club, the best cycling club in Victoria,
probably in Australia www.mbtc.org.au

Cheers
Peter
Cheers
Peter

Dont know Bunyip Panniers. Can you please give a link or an idea of who sells them. Sound ok and I am assuming that being local made, and local currency they would be reasonable price.