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  1. Original post
    Charles
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    #1

    Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
    the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

    I ask because of what I read in an interview in Velonews:
    http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/13149.0.html

    snipped > VeloNews: As I understand it you were taking EPO, found out
    you had a much higher hematocrit than expected and went on a blood
    thinner to attempt to avoid the risk of a blood clot or other
    complication resulting from high hematocrit. Exactly how high did your
    hematocrit go?

    Joe Papp: 58

    VN: Did anyone suggest the blood thinner to you such as a medically-
    trained person?

    JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
    trained.

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  2. Tom Kunich
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    #2

    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
    the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

    JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
    trained.

    Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it
    was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is
    ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.

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  3. Charles
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    Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
    the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

    Quoted message said:

    JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
    trained.

    Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it
    was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is
    ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.

    No [censored] Sherlock, but someone else was involved. e.g. someone else
    participated. He allowed it but ... Obviously

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  4. Ryan Cousineau
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    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
    the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

    JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
    trained.

    Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it
    was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is
    ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.

    1) Joe Papp is fundamentally responsible for what goes into his body
    with his knowledge.

    2) If someone else is encouraging Joe to put something into his body,
    and that someone else should know better (in this case, they ought to
    have known that they had no clue and were risking Joe's life), then they
    have moral culpability. The fact that in this case, consequences were
    dodged shouldn't mitigate that culpability, though for very good reasons
    it changes their legal culpability.

    Blind men ought not to advertise themselves as sight-guides for the
    visually impaired,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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  5. Email address hidden
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    #5
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    "Joe Papp Accepting Coaching Clients
    Added: 2007-08-29 15:35:46
    Work with a USA Cycling-licensed elite coach who will help you reach
    your cycling goals, and encourage you to do so cleanly!"

    What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who
    didn't win [censored] as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their
    cycling goals?

    What's the coach : racer ratio these days?

    And what's worse ... all these people pretending to be coaches, or
    that people pay them?

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  6. Ewoud Dronkert
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    #6

    [email hidden] schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who
    didn't win [censored] as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their
    cycling goals?

    So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

    --
    E. Dronkert

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  7. Email address hidden
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    #7

    On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

    I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
    requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
    well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
    to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
    cycling.

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  8. Jim Flom
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

    I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
    requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
    well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
    to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
    cycling.

    Don't buy an NFL team then.

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  9. Email address hidden
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    #9
    Jim Flom said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

    Quoted message said:

    I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
    requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
    well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
    to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
    cycling.

    Don't buy an NFL team then.

    Owww, that really hit the mark.

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  10. Andy Coggan
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    #10
    Quoted post said:

    What's the coach : racer ratio these days?

    If I'm remembering the figures correctly, here in the US it's about
    1 : 500.

    Andy Coggan

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  11. Email address hidden
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    #11


    Quoted message said:

    Don't buy an NFL team then.

    well we all know we could coach better than our favorite team's coach
    did last Sunday.

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  12. Email address hidden
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    #12


    Quoted message said:

    well we all know we could coach better than our favorite team's coach
    did last Sunday.

    in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed
    that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.

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  13. WeaselPoopPower
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    #13
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well we all know we could coach better than our favorite team's coach
    did last Sunday.

    in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed
    that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.

    So if ~100% of all NFL coaches are ex-players and ~90% of all players
    are not white but ~98% of coaches are... statistics obviously show Joe
    Papp is an excellent coaching candidate in the equal opportunity melting
    pot known as America. Speaking of Detroit Lions football coaches...
    anyone ever go through a drive through naked?

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  14. Michael Press
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    #14

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

    I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
    requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
    well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
    to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
    cycling.

    The great coaches did not play the game at high levels.
    Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.

    --
    Michael Press

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  15. RonSonic
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    #15
    Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

    I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
    requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
    well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
    to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
    cycling.

    The great coaches did not play the game at high levels.
    Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.

    Landry was an excellent pro defensive back.

    Ron

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  16. Hobbes@spnb&s.com
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    #16

    On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:36:01 -0000, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Joe Papp Accepting Coaching Clients
    Added: 2007-08-29 15:35:46
    Work with a USA Cycling-licensed elite coach who will help you reach
    your cycling goals, and encourage you to do so cleanly!"

    What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who
    didn't win [censored] as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their
    cycling goals?

    What's the coach : racer ratio these days?

    And what's worse ... all these people pretending to be coaches, or
    that people pay them?

    Think Golf as the model. Golf pro's mostly coach, compete enough for cred and
    experience, but mostly they coach.

    That seems to be what's evolving in the US for cycling. That's going to be the
    next essential accessory for all fatty masters, a coach. Unless I'm out of the
    loop and all the other fatty masters already have them.

    Ron

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  17. Email address hidden
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    #17
    RonSonic said:


    Landry was an excellent pro defensive back.

    And Casey Stengel played in the majors.

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  18. Bob Schwartz
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    #18
    RonSonic said:
    Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
    I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
    requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
    well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
    to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
    cycling.


    The great coaches did not play the game at high levels.
    Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.

    Landry was an excellent pro defensive back.

    Stengal played 14 seasons of MLB as an outfielder.

    Bob Schwartz

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  19. Jim Flom
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    #19

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    well we all know we could coach better than our favorite team's coach
    did last Sunday.

    in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed
    that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.

    Sounds like the middle ranks of amateur football to me.

    --
    JF

    http://velominator.spaces.live.com/

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  20. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #20


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed
    that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.

    Sounds like the middle ranks of amateur football to me.

    I wouldn't equate college football with Cat 3 bike racing.

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