I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame. I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with. I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front.
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire. I then tried the Touring cantis on the front and the same thing happened. I reinstalled the no-name stamped steel cantilever brakes the frame came with and they align very well with these rims.
I would prefer to use the NR brakes, or purchase something of quality to use in their stead.
I feel like I am missing something obvious. Any ideas?
Frank-<< I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame. I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with. I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. >><BR><BR> << The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire.
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I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the pads low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch wheel. Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but no guarantees.
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Frank-<< I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
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I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with. I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. >><BR><BR> << The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the
tire.
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I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the
pads
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low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch
wheel.
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Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but
no
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guarantees.
Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but not on the fork.
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Frank-<< I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
frame.
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I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with. I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. >><BR><BR> << The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the
tire.
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I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the
pads
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low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch
wheel.
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Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but
no
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guarantees.
Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but not on the fork.
I don't think it's unheard of. I used to have a Koga Miyata touring frame (Road Gentleman). I could use the Tektro Oryx cantilever on the back but not the front. I think the reason is that the fork blades were spaced more narrowly than the seatstays. In the rear, the brakes had more room to swing freely. Given the vintage of your frame, it probably has a fork narrower than the unicrown ones usually found on touring bikes these days.
Another possibility is that the Neo Retros have different dimensions than the Touring cantis (aside from the cable attachment point).
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Frank-<< I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
frame.
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I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came
with.
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I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front.
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<< The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike
the
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tire.
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I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get
the
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pads
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low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27
inch
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wheel.
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Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro
but
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no
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guarantees.
Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike
but
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not on the fork.
I don't think it's unheard of. I used to have a Koga Miyata touring frame (Road Gentleman). I could use the Tektro Oryx cantilever on the back but not the front. I think the reason is that the fork blades were spaced more narrowly than the seatstays. In the rear, the brakes had more room to swing freely. Given the vintage of your frame, it probably has a fork narrower than the unicrown ones usually found on touring bikes these days.
Another possibility is that the Neo Retros have different dimensions than the Touring cantis (aside from the cable attachment point).
I think you hit the nail on the head. I'll save the Touring cantis for the new touring frame when I get one.
I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame. I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with. I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front.
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire. I then tried the Touring cantis on the front and the same thing happened. I reinstalled the no-name stamped steel cantilever brakes the frame came with and they align very well with these rims.
I would prefer to use the NR brakes, or purchase something of quality to use in their stead.
Your frame was designed for 27 inch wheels but, as you discovered, some cantilevers allow more pad height adjustment than others. Try a basic inexpensive cantilever in the $15 to $20 range. They are arguably better than fancy models, easier to set up and generally have more range of adjustment. Bring your bike to the LBS and slip a few brakes on to check the fit. You needn't actually install them to check pad height.
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame. I am using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with. I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. >><BR><BR> The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire.
"Qui si parla Campagnolo " <[email hidden]>
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700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the pads low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch wheel You can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but no guarantees.
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It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but not on the fork.
Yes it does. Bikes commonly have a different clearance front to back. Heck some classic touring bikes shipped with 610s in front and 750s in back. Look closer at pad height on a few bikes.
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
frank writes-<< It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but
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not on the fork. >><BR><BR>
I have seen 27inch to 700c conversions that can use the old brakes, one of the old brakes or neither, on the front and/or the back. There is/was no real standards for brake mounting positions, why brakes have slots for adjusting brake blocks up and down.
Paul Cantis DO mount the blocks pretty low, Tektro slots are longer. I could not put a Paul NeoRetro onto my Woundup 700c cross fork w/o filing a bunch of metal out of the slot and it was still too high, why I went to the Tektro
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