Pecs question

Per Elmsäter said:

I currently found myself in a discussion whether or not you could change the
shape of the Pectoralis major by doing different kinds of exercises.
Benchpress, dumbbells inclined bench, cables from different angles etc. I of
course do these different exercises but am I changing the shape of my pecs
or changing the shape of all the different chest muscles.

For a fact I know that normally this isn't so. But how about the pecs. They
evidently consist of fibers running in three different directions. Is it
possible to accentuate these different sets of fibers.

Or do the different chest exercises just address the different chest
muscles?

For the most part, yes.

Quoted message said:

Pectoralis major with it's two heads and Pectoralis minor plus the
Serratus Anterior.

You forgot about the anterior and medial deltoids.

Quoted message said:

The discussion started with what kind of exercises to best address the lower
chest.

There are multiple innervations of the pectoralis major, but I
wouldn't expect that to make much difference in training the shape of
the muscle, no matter what exercise you do.

When it cums to changing the shape of peckers, Williams is your
expert.

JMW said:

Per Elmsäter said:

I currently found myself in a discussion whether or not you could change the
shape of the Pectoralis major by doing different kinds of exercises.
Benchpress, dumbbells inclined bench, cables from different angles etc. I of
course do these different exercises but am I changing the shape of my pecs
or changing the shape of all the different chest muscles.

For a fact I know that normally this isn't so. But how about the pecs. They
evidently consist of fibers running in three different directions. Is it
possible to accentuate these different sets of fibers.

Or do the different chest exercises just address the different chest
muscles?

For the most part, yes.

Quoted message said:

Pectoralis major with it's two heads and Pectoralis minor plus the
Serratus Anterior.

You forgot about the anterior and medial deltoids.

Quoted message said:

The discussion started with what kind of exercises to best address the lower
chest.

There are multiple innervations of the pectoralis major, but I
wouldn't expect that to make much difference in training the shape of
the muscle, no matter what exercise you do.

JMW said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Or do the different chest exercises just address the different chest
muscles?

For the most part, yes.

Quoted message said:

Pectoralis major with it's two heads and Pectoralis minor plus the
Serratus Anterior.

You forgot about the anterior and medial deltoids.

Yes I did 😉 Just checking to see if you knew what you were talking about 😉
Actually, where the heck is the medial deltoids. I couldn't find it on the
exrx muscle map 😉

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The discussion started with what kind of exercises to best address
the lower chest.

There are multiple innervations of the pectoralis major, but I
wouldn't expect that to make much difference in training the shape of
the muscle, no matter what exercise you do.

Fine, this is exactly my standpoint.
Would you say that the differently directed fibers in the pecs have nothing
to do with how it shapes? Are we still talking genuine genetics?

--
Perre

Symfoni, en kost- och träningsdagbok
http://www.kostforum.se

Quoted message said:

When it cums to changing the shape of peckers, Williams is your
expert.

I knew there was a way to do it 😉 Thankyou Sir!
--
Perre

Symfoni, en kost- och träningsdagbok
http://www.kostforum.se

Per Elmsäter said:

JMW said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Or do the different chest exercises just address the different chest
muscles?

For the most part, yes.

Quoted message said:

Pectoralis major with it's two heads and Pectoralis minor plus the
Serratus Anterior.

You forgot about the anterior and medial deltoids.

Yes I did 😉 Just checking to see if you knew what you were talking about😉
Actually, where the heck is the medial deltoids. I couldn't find it on the
exrx muscle map 😉

They are highly specialized muscles with proximal attachments at the
isles of langerhans and distal attachments at the straits of hormuz.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The discussion started with what kind of exercises to best address
the lower chest.

There are multiple innervations of the pectoralis major, but I
wouldn't expect that to make much difference in training the shape of
the muscle, no matter what exercise you do.

Fine, this is exactly my standpoint.
Would you say that the differently directed fibers in the pecs have nothing
to do with how it shapes?

It does. But what makes you think you can change that? The pennation
of the fibers makes no difference unless you can specifically recruit
some motor units while leaving others dormant. And to the best of my
knowledge, there's no way to do that.

Quoted message said:

Are we still talking genuine genetics?

Yep.

Per Elmsäter <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Would you say that the differently directed fibers in
the pecs have nothing to do with how it shapes?

If you've looked at any bodybuilding magazines during your life then
you've seen examples of genetics and its impact on how a particular
physique appears:

Franco Columbu's split chest, Boyer Coe's biceps peak, Chris
Dickerson's calves, Juliet Bergmann's abs, Lenda Murray's delts, etc.

Vince Gironda directed his pupils to work only upper pec as his
physical ideal had nothing to do with man [censored], so I suspect that you
can, in a manner of speaking, change the /shape/ of your muscles by
choosing particular exercises.

That's not really changing the shape, however, from my perspective.
What you're doing is choosing which muscles to accentuate or develop
through your training.

To be more direct, you cannot change the position of your muscle
attachments. You cannot change the shape that your muscles will
eventually appear after effective training and proper dieting.
Basically, you're stuck with what Mother Nature gave you, but that
will never be evident if you don't get to the gym.

Best of luck with your training.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Curt James said:

If you've looked at any bodybuilding magazines during your life

And Curt has HUNDREDS of them under his bed. Of course you can't read
them because the pages are stuck together, but he does have them
nonetheless.

JMW said:

Per Elmsäter said:

JMW said:

"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Or do the different chest exercises just address the different
> chest muscles?

For the most part, yes.

> Pectoralis major with it's two heads and Pectoralis minor plus the
> Serratus Anterior.

You forgot about the anterior and medial deltoids.

Yes I did 😉 Just checking to see if you knew what you were talking
about 😉 Actually, where the heck is the medial deltoids. I couldn't
find it on the exrx muscle map 😉

They are highly specialized muscles with proximal attachments at the
isles of langerhans and distal attachments at the straits of hormuz.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The discussion started with what kind of exercises to best address
> the lower chest.

There are multiple innervations of the pectoralis major, but I
wouldn't expect that to make much difference in training the shape
of the muscle, no matter what exercise you do.

Fine, this is exactly my standpoint.
Would you say that the differently directed fibers in the pecs have
nothing to do with how it shapes?

It does. But what makes you think you can change that? The pennation
of the fibers makes no difference unless you can specifically recruit
some motor units while leaving others dormant. And to the best of my
knowledge, there's no way to do that.

Quoted message said:

Are we still talking genuine genetics?

Yep.

Thanks. As I figured then. I'll roll out the weights and what comes will
come. Oh [censored] I hope that knuckelehead WeenyRodgers doesn't see I've said
that 😉
--
Perre

Symfoni, en kost- och träningsdagbok
http://www.kostforum.se

Curt James said:

Per Elmsäter <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Would you say that the differently directed fibers in
the pecs have nothing to do with how it shapes?

If you've looked at any bodybuilding magazines during your life then
you've seen examples of genetics and its impact on how a particular
physique appears:

Franco Columbu's split chest, Boyer Coe's biceps peak, Chris
Dickerson's calves, Juliet Bergmann's abs, Lenda Murray's delts, etc.

Vince Gironda directed his pupils to work only upper pec as his
physical ideal had nothing to do with man [censored], so I suspect that you
can, in a manner of speaking, change the /shape/ of your muscles by
choosing particular exercises.

That's not really changing the shape, however, from my perspective.
What you're doing is choosing which muscles to accentuate or develop
through your training.

To be more direct, you cannot change the position of your muscle
attachments. You cannot change the shape that your muscles will
eventually appear after effective training and proper dieting.
Basically, you're stuck with what Mother Nature gave you, but that
will never be evident if you don't get to the gym.

Best of luck with your training.

Thanks Curt.
--
Perre

Symfoni, en kost- och träningsdagbok
http://www.kostforum.se

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:22:20 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Thanks. As I figured then. I'll roll out the weights and what comes will
come. Oh [censored] I hope that knuckelehead WeenyRodgers doesn't see I've said
that 😉

You frickin' [censored].

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:22:49 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Curt James said:

Per Elmsäter <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Would you say that the differently directed fibers in
the pecs have nothing to do with how it shapes?

If you've looked at any bodybuilding magazines during your life then
you've seen examples of genetics and its impact on how a particular
physique appears:

Franco Columbu's split chest, Boyer Coe's biceps peak, Chris
Dickerson's calves, Juliet Bergmann's abs, Lenda Murray's delts, etc.

Vince Gironda directed his pupils to work only upper pec as his
physical ideal had nothing to do with man [censored], so I suspect that you
can, in a manner of speaking, change the /shape/ of your muscles by
choosing particular exercises.

That's not really changing the shape, however, from my perspective.
What you're doing is choosing which muscles to accentuate or develop
through your training.

To be more direct, you cannot change the position of your muscle
attachments. You cannot change the shape that your muscles will
eventually appear after effective training and proper dieting.
Basically, you're stuck with what Mother Nature gave you, but that
will never be evident if you don't get to the gym.

Best of luck with your training.

Thanks Curt.

Lovers in the night, they'll be together...

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news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:22:49 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Curt James said:

Per Elmsäter <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

> Would you say that the differently directed fibers in
> the pecs have nothing to do with how it shapes?

If you've looked at any bodybuilding magazines during your life then
you've seen examples of genetics and its impact on how a particular
physique appears:

Franco Columbu's split chest, Boyer Coe's biceps peak, Chris
Dickerson's calves, Juliet Bergmann's abs, Lenda Murray's delts, etc.

Vince Gironda directed his pupils to work only upper pec as his
physical ideal had nothing to do with man [censored], so I suspect that you
can, in a manner of speaking, change the /shape/ of your muscles by
choosing particular exercises.

That's not really changing the shape, however, from my perspective.
What you're doing is choosing which muscles to accentuate or develop
through your training.

To be more direct, you cannot change the position of your muscle
attachments. You cannot change the shape that your muscles will
eventually appear after effective training and proper dieting.
Basically, you're stuck with what Mother Nature gave you, but that
will never be evident if you don't get to the gym.

Best of luck with your training.

Thanks Curt.

Lovers in the night, they'll be together...

More than you will ever have!!!

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:22:20 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Thanks. As I figured then. I'll roll out the weights and what comes
will come. Oh [censored] I hope that knuckelehead WeenyRodgers doesn't see
I've said that 😉

You frickin' [censored].

Dang. Now I'll have you chasing my ass, wherever I go.

--
Perre

Symfoni, en kost- och träningsdagbok
http://www.kostforum.se

Per Elmsäter said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:22:20 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Thanks. As I figured then. I'll roll out the weights and what comes
will come. Oh [censored] I hope that knuckelehead WeenyRodgers doesn't see
I've said that 😉

You frickin' [censored].

Dang. Now I'll have you chasing my ass, wherever I go.

That's what happens when you feed the trolls. You were warned.

mike said:

More than you will ever have!!!

Agreed. If two mens hot, sweaty, stinkin' bodies pounding together as
your BF's weenie rams your pooper is getting it, I'll stay a virgin.

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:51:44 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Now I'll have you chasing my ass, wherever I go.

Hey not my fault. When something is that big, it's like being behind
the sun.

JMW said:

hat's what happens when you feed the trolls. You were warned.

Much like you, any attention he can give to his ass is a plus in his
book.

JMW said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:22:20 GMT, "Per Elmsäter"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> Thanks. As I figured then. I'll roll out the weights and what comes
> will come. Oh [censored] I hope that knuckelehead WeenyRodgers doesn't
> see I've said that 😉

You frickin' [censored].

Dang. Now I'll have you chasing my ass, wherever I go.

That's what happens when you feed the trolls. You were warned.

No problem. I just figured I'd feed him something that he wouldn't feel so
good from 😉
Besides. No thread on mfw is a real thread until it has been atacked by the
local Troll 😉

--
Perre

Symfoni, en kost- och träningsdagbok
http://www.kostforum.se

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:26:27 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

No problem. I just figured I'd feed him something that he wouldn't feel so
good from 😉

When you type one-handed, it's all good.