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  1. I shipped my bike recently and had a bike shop put it together, which I'm not qualified to do. I
    took it for a ride recently and all went well until I parked it and secured it for 10 or 15 minutes
    while I got a soft drink. When I returned, I didn't notice anything wrong until I started riding it.
    I eventually figured out that the pedal was bent out of position. Shortly afterwards, it fell off.
    It cost me almost 40 dollars to have it fixed because not only was the pedal screwed up but the
    threads on the thing (?) it fits into were ruined so the thing had to be replaced also.

    When I picked up the bike at the shop and rode away, at first the pedal felt funny, as it had when
    it started going bad, but that feeling quickly went away and I think it is probably ok. I have no
    idea how to check it, though.

    It's tempting to think that the damage to the pedal was the result of recreational vandalism or that
    someone simply didn't like having bicycles parked in that spot or that someone might have walked by
    with a handtruck and hit the pedal, but upon reflection it could just as easily be the result of it
    having been improperly placed when the first bike shop put it back together. There is another
    possibility too: I have to bring it in and out of an apartment and there are a lot of opportunities
    for the pedals to bang against doors on the way in and out of the building, so maybe that eventually
    did in the pedal.

    I'm trying to figure out how to prepare better for future problems like this. One thing would be to
    learn more about repairs so that I can simply scavenge parts and do repairs myself. I don't know if
    this is a particularly advanced repair job for someone just starting out. If so, having spare parts
    to bring to a bike shop with the bike might knock my costs down to just the labor of installing it.

    Another idea that occurs to me is to install pedals that can be folded up when they aren't being
    used, so that they stick out less and don't bump into things. I don't know if such pedals are
    available. Alternatively, what would be wrong with pedals that consist of a round bar and which
    don't rotate and which are one piece with the aforementioned thing that pedals normally attach to?
    That way it is less likely that the pedal can be damaged and that it and the thing will needed to be
    replaced. As one pedals, the same kind of surface will always be presented to the shoe. If it is
    desirable to have the foot fit inside something, as I've seen on some bikes, it can be attached to
    the bar and rotate around the bar. That would probably be a lot cheaper to replace if anything
    happened to it.

    I talked to one bicyclist I passed on the street and asked him if his bike has ever sustained any
    damage while being parked and he said not really even after a year or so of parking it. So I think
    that even if it was vandalism, which is in doubt, it was exceptional and I should probably continue
    to feel comfortable parking my bike. At the same time, I have to be prepared occasionally to make
    significant repairs in the bike, so I think I need to start collecting spare parts and tools. The
    bike shop didn't seem to sell the tools that, according to Rob van der Plas' book, "Bicycle repair,
    step by step", they would have had to use to make this particular repair. I'm not sure where I would
    get them and how to know that they were of good quality. Maybe it isn't a good assumption, but I'm
    inclined to think that a repair that needs to be done once is likely to be needed again sooner than
    one that has never needed to be done.

    Ignorantly, Allan Adler [email hidden]

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  2. Allan Adler said:


    Another idea that occurs to me is to install pedals that can be folded up when they aren't being
    used, so that they stick out less and don't bump into things. I don't know if such pedals are
    available.

    sheldonbrown.compedals.html

  3. Sounds like the shop didn't tighten them, maybe they hand tightened them and didn't go back with the
    wrench. I swap pedals on my bikes all the time. And carry my bike up and down from the 3rd floor and
    through the halls every day. Never had that happen to me. It's also a strange vandal who attacks
    pedals. Wheels, deraillers, cables and even frames are easier targets.

    "Allan Adler" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I shipped my bike recently and had a bike shop put it together, which I'm not qualified to do. I
    took it for a ride recently and all went well until I parked it and secured it for 10 or 15
    minutes while I got a soft drink. When I returned, I didn't notice anything wrong until I started
    riding it. I eventually figured out that the pedal was bent out of position. Shortly afterwards,
    it fell off. It cost me almost 40 dollars to have it fixed


    because

    Quoted message said:

    not only was the pedal screwed up but the threads on the thing (?) it fits into were ruined so the
    thing had to be replaced also.

    When I picked up the bike at the shop and rode away, at first the pedal felt funny, as it had when
    it started going bad, but that feeling quickly went away and I think it is probably ok. I have no
    idea how to check it, though.

    It's tempting to think that the damage to the pedal was the result of recreational vandalism or
    that someone simply didn't like having bicycles parked in that spot or that someone might have
    walked by with a handtruck and hit the pedal, but upon reflection it could just as easily be the
    result of it having been improperly placed when the first bike shop put it back together. There is
    another possibility too: I have to bring it in and out of an apartment and there are a lot of
    opportunities for the pedals to bang against doors on the way in and out of the building, so maybe
    that eventually did in the pedal.

    I'm trying to figure out how to prepare better for future problems like


    this.

    Quoted message said:

    One thing would be to learn more about repairs so that I can simply


    scavenge

    Quoted message said:

    parts and do repairs myself. I don't know if this is a particularly


    advanced

    Quoted message said:

    repair job for someone just starting out. If so, having spare parts to


    bring

    Quoted message said:

    to a bike shop with the bike might knock my costs down to just the labor of installing it.

    Another idea that occurs to me is to install pedals that can be folded up when they aren't being
    used, so that they stick out less and don't bump


    into

    Quoted message said:

    things. I don't know if such pedals are available. Alternatively, what


    would

    Quoted message said:

    be wrong with pedals that consist of a round bar and which don't rotate and which are one piece
    with the aforementioned thing that pedals normally attach to? That way it is less likely that the
    pedal can be damaged and


    that

    Quoted message said:

    it and the thing will needed to be replaced. As one pedals, the same kind of surface will always
    be presented to the shoe. If it is desirable to


    have

    Quoted message said:

    the foot fit inside something, as I've seen on some bikes, it can be


    attached

    Quoted message said:

    to the bar and rotate around the bar. That would probably be a lot cheaper to replace if anything
    happened to it.

    I talked to one bicyclist I passed on the street and asked him if his bike has ever sustained any
    damage while being parked and he said not really even after a year or so of parking it. So I think
    that even if it was vandalism, which is in doubt, it was exceptional and I should probably
    continue to feel comfortable parking my bike. At the same time, I have to be prepared occasionally
    to make significant repairs in the bike, so I think I need to start collecting spare parts and
    tools. The bike shop didn't seem to sell the tools that, according to Rob van der Plas' book,
    "Bicycle repair, step by step", they would have had to use to make this particular repair. I'm not
    sure where I would get them and how to know that they were of good quality. Maybe it isn't a good
    assumption, but I'm inclined to think that a repair that needs to be done once is likely to be
    needed again sooner than one that has never needed to be done.

    Ignorantly, Allan Adler [email hidden]


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  4. "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like the shop didn't tighten them, maybe they hand tightened them


    and

    Quoted message said:

    didn't go back with the wrench. I swap pedals on my bikes all the time.


    And

    Quoted message said:

    carry my bike up and down from the 3rd floor and through the halls every day. Never had that
    happen to me. It's also a strange vandal who attacks pedals. Wheels, deraillers, cables and even
    frames are easier targets.


    I did the exact same thing. When I installed my first pair of SPDs I crossthreaded a pedal.
    Discovered it a mile down the road when the pedal got lopsided. Ended up buying a new crankarm on
    that one. I'm much more careful now... :-)

  5. On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:52:33 +0000, Allan Adler wrote:

    Hello, Allan.

    Quoted message said:


    and hit the pedal, but upon reflection it could just as easily be the result of it having been
    improperly placed when the first bike shop put it back together.

    That is much more likely. If the pedal is not tightened, it can work loose with results as you
    described.

    Your average vandal would not have the tool needed to loosen a properly-tightened pedal, which will
    probably require considerable torque. Such a vandal would more likely kick your spokes in.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm trying to figure out how to prepare better for future problems like this. One thing would be
    to learn more about repairs so that I can simply scavenge parts and do repairs myself. I don't
    know if this is a particularly advanced repair job for someone just starting out.

    Not really. It does help to have general comfort with tools and mechanical things, but beyond that
    the specifics are pretty straightforward.

    Quoted message said:

    Another idea that occurs to me is to install pedals that can be folded up when they aren't being
    used, so that they stick out less and don't bump into things. I don't know if such pedals are
    available.

    Some folding bikes have such pedals, but I don't think they are in common use.

    --

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    and philosophers and divines. --Ralph Waldo (_)/ (_) | Emerson

  6. "Allan Adler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I shipped my bike recently and had a bike shop put it together, which I'm not qualified to do. I
    took it for a ride recently and all went well until I parked it and secured it for 10 or 15
    minutes while I got a soft drink. When I returned, I didn't notice anything wrong until I started
    riding it. I eventually figured out that the pedal was bent out of position. Shortly afterwards,
    it fell off. It cost me almost 40 dollars to have it fixed


    because

    Quoted message said:

    not only was the pedal screwed up but the threads on the thing (?) it fits into were ruined so the
    thing had to be replaced also.


    I can't imagine a pedal FALLING OFF unless it had not been tightened properly. It's evidently not
    that hard to cross-thread pedals. I picked up an abandoned Schwinn Frontier a couple of years ago
    that had a cross-threaded pedal (interestingly enough, the right pedal). The irritation from this
    pedal may have been one cause of the abandonment.

    Quoted message said:

    ...someone might have walked by with a handtruck and hit the pedal, ...[or] a lot of opportunities
    for the pedals to bang against doors on the way in and out of the building

    The pedal could have been bent by an impact (I've bent a pedal by scraping a pedal on the ground
    while rounding a turn, for example). But it wouldn't fall off. There are so many easier ways to
    vandalize a bike that the vandalism theory doesn't seem very likely to me.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if this is a particularly advanced repair job for someone just starting out.

    It's easy. The main thing to remember is that THE LEFT PEDAL HAS REVERSE THREADS (i.e. lefty-tighty,
    righty-loosy). Also: Tighten it fully tight, but don't go overboard. Grease the threads when you put
    the pedal on, so it will not rust into the crankarm.

    Quoted message said:

    having spare parts to bring to a bike shop with the bike might knock my


    costs down to just the labor

    Quoted message said:

    of installing it.

    In my experience, bike shops don't like this much. If you are a regular customer and are asking for
    something that involves special tools (e.g. swap two rear gear clusters) then OK; otherwise you
    won't get much enthusiasm.

    Quoted message said:

    The bike shop didn't seem to sell the tools that, according to Rob van der Plas' book, "Bicycle
    repair, step by step", they would have had to use to make this particular repair.

    To swap pedals, a simple wrench is sufficient.

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