Perfect 1 man wild camping tent does it exist?

Gazman said:

Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

It should be 3 season
Weigh around 2 kg
Have a porch
Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
Green in colour
Not single skin

Hilleberg Nallo 2 hits all the marks, slightly over the weight at
2.1 Kg but you do say "around". It will easily take 2, so plenty
of room if it's just you. The porch is a good size but you can
unhook the front of the inner for much more cooking space in
bogging weather.
See http://www.hilleberg.se/default-e.HTM

A Saunders Spacepacker Mk1 is 97 cm at its highest, but has two
porches and is otherwise up to spec. The "Plus" model is 103, but
weighs in at 2.2 Kg as opposed to 1.9 Kg. See
http://www.robertsaunders.co.uk/
Each will take two, but the standard Spacepacker doesn't really
work well with 2 if they're tall (say, 5'10" +).

http://www.lightwave.uk.com/ us Lightwave's site, look at the T0,
T0 XT and T1 ultra, they all seem to fit the bill (T0 is strictly
for 1, T1 will do 2). Very nice tents, but a little bit of a pain
to put up compared to the others IMHO, especially the Hilleberg.

I'm sure there are others, but that'll be a start.

Pete.
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check laser competition thread?

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Quoted message said:

Hi All,

Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

It should be 3 season
Weigh around 2 kg
Have a porch
Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
Green in colour
Not single skin

Thanks in Advance

Gaz

Gazman said:

Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

It should be 3 season
Weigh around 2 kg
Have a porch
Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
Green in colour
Not single skin

Porch is a bit small, but otherwise this fits the bill. And you can't beat
the price.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B000N6J8RC/new?tag2=ciaouk-21

Paul
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Bryan Hall said:

check laser competition thread?

95 cm at its highest, so a couple of inches short (as is the Laser,
and LaserLarge) Akto is 90 cm so even lower.

Pete.
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Paul Saunders said:

Gazman said:

Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

Quoted message said:

It should be 3 season
Weigh around 2 kg
Have a porch
Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
Green in colour
Not single skin

Porch is a bit small, but otherwise this fits the bill. And you can't beat
the price.http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B000N6J...

Paul
--http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

On the basis that you can buy 5 of these - in fact possibly 10 - for
the price of some of the others recommended, I would go with the old
Argos Pro Action tent any day. Buy 10, use one for a year and chuck
it - would you get 10 years hard use out of the others ?

Rob

Rob G said:

On the basis that you can buy 5 of these - in fact possibly 10 - for
the price of some of the others recommended, I would go with the old
Argos Pro Action tent any day. Buy 10, use one for a year and chuck
it - would you get 10 years hard use out of the others ?

I don't see why not... My Spacepacker is now celebrating it's 10th
anniversary with no obvious signs of decomposition and is still
fully waterproof. My dad's Spacepacker Plus must be about 15 years
old and is similarly fine.

And in all that time I''ve had far more porch and cooking space
every time I've pitched, and been rather more confident of the tear
strength of the flysheet when the weather's included gale force
winds, and had better ventilation.

While the Pro-action is indeed amazing value for money I really
don't see the point of using it to "save" another tent which has
been engineered to last for years and years in any case and in the
meantime has more comfortable and reliable space. Value for money
at £20 is actually rather bad if you've already got something else
that does the job better in any case.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Gazman said:

Hi All,

Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

It should be 3 season
Weigh around 2 kg
Have a porch
Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
Green in colour
Not single skin

www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/Cat/133878?Ref=124108

Width:130cm
Length:220cm
Height:100cm
Weight 1.95kg

Advertised as a 2 man.

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Paul Saunders said:

Gazman said:

Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

Quoted message said:

It should be 3 season
Weigh around 2 kg
Have a porch
Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
Green in colour
Not single skin

Porch is a bit small, but otherwise this fits the bill. And you can't beat
the
price.http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B00
0N6J...

Paul
--http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

On the basis that you can buy 5 of these - in fact possibly 10 - for
the price of some of the others recommended, I would go with the old
Argos Pro Action tent any day. Buy 10, use one for a year and chuck
it - would you get 10 years hard use out of the others ?

You'll certainly get ten years hard use out of the Akto. I have. & out
of other Hilleberg tents too.

It depends where you're going to camp of course but I'd rather have a
reliable tent than a cheap one.
--
Chris Townsend

http://www.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk

Peter Clinch said:

Rob G said:

On the basis that you can buy 5 of these - in fact possibly 10 - for
the price of some of the others recommended, I would go with the old
Argos Pro Action tent any day. Buy 10, use one for a year and chuck
it

Why chuck it? I've got three and I'm still on the first one. Can't remember
exactly when I bought it, but I think I was using it at the 2003 anniversary
expedition.

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And in all that time I''ve had far more porch and cooking space
every time I've pitched,

Depending on the weather, you don't always need a lot of porch space. Having
said that, I've always managed to cook okay, even in bad weather. You can
unhook the inner from the front of the porch and roll it back for cooking if
the weather is really foul.

Quoted message said:

and been rather more confident of the tear
strength of the flysheet when the weather's included gale force
winds, and had better ventilation.

To be honest, I've felt more confident in the Pro Action than the Laser when
it's been windy. It may just be psychological, but the pro-action feels more
solid in wind.

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Value for money
at £20 is actually rather bad if you've already got something else
that does the job better in any case.

But for which value of better? As you've often pointed out you have
different tents for different situations, and there are some situations
where I prefer to use the Pro Action. For example if I expect to camp on
rough or thorny ground I'd rather use my cheap tent than risk my Laser's
groundsheet getting holed.

I also prefer to use it on campsites rather than leave an expensive tent
there while I go off walking.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Why chuck it? I've got three and I'm still on the first one. Can't remember
exactly when I bought it, but I think I was using it at the 2003 anniversary
expedition.

Which rather suggests you may have rather over-indulged in
"bargains"... How have the 2nd and 3rd justified their cost so far?

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Quoted message said:

And in all that time I''ve had far more porch and cooking space
every time I've pitched,

Depending on the weather, you don't always need a lot of porch space. Having
said that, I've always managed to cook okay, even in bad weather. You can
unhook the inner from the front of the porch and roll it back for cooking if
the weather is really foul.

But we're left with the fact that at the same or slightly more
weight than my tent you've got less usable space (and thus comfort)
than I have. The fact that your tent cost £15 and mine cost £250
isn't really an issue, because I paid that 10 years ago and it's a
non-issue now (or rather the insurance company did, replacing one
that went in a burglary that I'd bought 7 years before that).

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To be honest, I've felt more confident in the Pro Action than the Laser when
it's been windy. It may just be psychological, but the pro-action feels more
solid in wind.

It may well be, but the Laser is designed to be light at almost all
costs and is quite a bit lighter than the OP's target weight, where
my Spacepacker is almost certainly stronger, with a stouter pole,
heavier (though similar quality) fabrics and more aerodynamic profile.

Quoted message said:

But for which value of better? As you've often pointed out you have
different tents for different situations, and there are some situations
where I prefer to use the Pro Action. For example if I expect to camp on
rough or thorny ground I'd rather use my cheap tent than risk my Laser's
groundsheet getting holed.

But I can't think of a situation where I'd want the Pro-Action
rather than the Spacepacker, so pretty much any value of better
from my point of view. When I use it on rough ground I'll use an
extra groundsheet (an old plastic bivvi bag is fine), but the
groundsheet it has will almost certainly be of higher quality and
need less protection in any case. I've been doing that for a decade
and it's still fine, and it still weighs less than the P-A, and has
more space, more porches and more doors.

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I also prefer to use it on campsites rather than leave an expensive tent
there while I go off walking.

That's fair enough but not really much of an issue in Scotland, to
be honest. Also, Spacepackers are probably off the radar of most
tent thieves because Saunders is no longer such a "visible"
name,certainly compared to Terra Nova or Hilleberg, and more to the
point if I'm keeping a cheap tent for car-camping use I'd much
sooner it was a *big* one, preferably with standing room.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Peter Clinch said:

I'm keeping a cheap tent for car-camping use I'd much
sooner it was a *big* one, preferably with standing room.

So the PA-1 should be fine, Pete!

;-)

Judith

On 7 May, 20:07, Chris Townsend <[email hidden]>

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In message <[email hidden]>, Rob G
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Paul Saunders said:

Gazman wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> It should be 3 season
> Weigh around 2 kg
> Have a porch
> Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
> Green in colour
> Not single skin

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Porch is a bit small, but otherwise this fits the bill. And you can't beat
the
price.http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B00
0N6J...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paul
--http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Quoted message said:

On the basis that you can buy 5 of these - in fact possibly 10 - for
the price of some of the others recommended, I would go with the old
Argos Pro Action tent any day. Buy 10, use one for a year and chuck
it - would you get 10 years hard use out of the others ?

You'll certainly get ten years hard use out of the Akto. I have. & out
of other Hilleberg tents too.

It depends where you're going to camp of course but I'd rather have a
reliable tent than a cheap one.
--
Chris Townsend

http://www.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk

Well there was a time when I had my head sufficiently up my posterior
that I would have believed that a £220 tent was 10 times better than a
£20 tent. 10 times better for my status - yes.

Rob

Rob G said:

Well there was a time when I had my head sufficiently up my posterior
that I would have believed that a £220 tent was 10 times better than a
£20 tent. 10 times better for my status - yes.

It's not that simple though... Is my tent "10 times better" than a
Pro Action? How do you quantify that? Fact is, when I'm camping
it's something I do to enjoy as much as possible. I will enjoy it
more with a lighter, roomier, stronger tent, and if I can afforf
the better tent then the fact that I had to spend the money is no
longer part of the equation: the object was to have the most
possible enjoyment, so unless you find your camping enjoyment
greatly enhanced by your bank account being £180 bigger then the
cost is a moot point.

Value for money is very important where your available budget is
lower than what you'd /really/ like, but if you've got the money
then you might as well get what you really like, and which leads to
you maximising your enjoyment when you're out playing your
favourite games with the relevant toys.

At the moment Roos and I are looking at a new tent that hits
different spots from the ones we have. We're only worrying about
cost where all else is equal, because we've got the budget for any
of our contenders. That we could buy 10-20 Pro Action tents
instead isn't much of an issue, they don't actually do what we want
when they're pitched in the wild as well as alternatives.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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G <[email hidden]> writes

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On 7 May, 20:07, Chris Townsend <[email hidden]>

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In message <[email hidden]>, Rob G
<[email hidden]> writes

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On 7 May, 19:12, "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Gazman wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a perfect or near perfect wild camping tent.

Quoted message said:

> > It should be 3 season
> > Weigh around 2 kg
> > Have a porch
> > Be at least 1metre high at highest internal point
> > Green in colour
> > Not single skin

Quoted message said:

> Porch is a bit small, but otherwise this fits the bill. And you can't beat
> the
>price.http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B00
>0N6J...

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> Paul
> --http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Quoted message said:

On the basis that you can buy 5 of these - in fact possibly 10 - for
the price of some of the others recommended, I would go with the old
Argos Pro Action tent any day. Buy 10, use one for a year and chuck
it - would you get 10 years hard use out of the others ?

You'll certainly get ten years hard use out of the Akto. I have. & out
of other Hilleberg tents too.

It depends where you're going to camp of course but I'd rather have a
reliable tent than a cheap one.
--
Chris Townsend

http://www.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk

Well there was a time when I had my head sufficiently up my posterior
that I would have believed that a £220 tent was 10 times better than a
£20 tent. 10 times better for my status - yes.

Nothing to do with status unless you camp where others can see you,
which I prefer not to do. For the little car camping I do I'd rather use
a big tent, which doesn't need to be cost much.

It's impossible to say whether one tent is 10X better than another.
There are so many variables. The Akto would make a poor car camping
tent, for example. There are many much cheaper tents that would be far
better. The Akto would also make a very poor high altitude
mountaineering tent - to get a good one you'd have to spend a great deal
more. The Akto isn't even very good for backpacking in many areas such
as the High Sierra of California, where you don't need a large porch as
you can't cook in it due to the bears and you don't need a storm
resistant tent as you can always camp in the woods. I use a tarp in
areas like that. But for British backpacking especially in the Scottish
Highlands the Akto is excellent. I've tested dozens of tents over the
years, many more expensive than the Akto, but I haven't yet come across
one that I think is as good for the Highlands.

I doubt there are any tents as light as the Akto that are anything like
as durable except for ones made from the same fabrics, which will cost
around the same. As I'm regularly carrying the tent long distances and
camping in remote spots I want a lightweight, tough tent I can rely on.

--
Chris Townsend

http://www.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk

Judith said:

Peter Clinch said:

I'm keeping a cheap tent for car-camping use I'd much
sooner it was a *big* one, preferably with standing room.

So the PA-1 should be fine, Pete!

;-)

Married to a Dutch lady, I'm used to jokes about my lack of tallness... ;-)

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Judith said:

Peter Clinch said:

I'm keeping a cheap tent for car-camping use I'd much sooner it was a
*big* one, preferably with standing room.

So the PA-1 should be fine, Pete!

;-)

Married to a Dutch lady, I'm used to jokes about my lack of tallness...
;-)

That's just small talk ;-)

--
"Beannachd leibh"

Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

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Chris Townsend <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I doubt there are any tents as light as the Akto that are anything like
as durable except for ones made from the same fabrics, which will cost
around the same. As I'm regularly carrying the tent long distances and
camping in remote spots I want a lightweight, tough tent I can rely on.

My wife has been very happy with her Akto for solo backpacking trips,
whilst our current main tent for shared use is a Nallo 2GT. This has
been in regular use for all year round camping since our Quasar ETC came
to the end of its useful life and hasn't been replaced.

Despite the fact that the Nallo is not a geodesic dome and thus in
theory should be less stable than the Quasar under some weather
conditions we haven't had any major problems, even in winter camping
trips.

I'd recommend both the Nallo and the Akto as good solutions to the
original question.

Mike
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"> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

I have looked at the tents you suggested and I've seen 2 versions of
the same tent that looks good.

its the Terra Nova Voyager & the Terra Nova Voyager superlite

does anyone have any comments about these tents?

Thanks

Gaz

Gazman said:

I have looked at the tents you suggested and I've seen 2 versions of
the same tent that looks good.

its the Terra Nova Voyager & the Terra Nova Voyager superlite

does anyone have any comments about these tents?

The standard model is a bit heavier than some of the other
suggestions so far at 2.2 Kg, and the porch isn't the greatest, but
it's a solid tent that's been a well recieved part of the lineup at
TN for many years now so it must be getting something right.

Inner-first pitch makes it a bit of a pain to put up in nasty
weather, and means you can't roll back the inner for more cooking
space, but it hits the bases pretty well and none of the ctiticisms
I'm putting forwards are deal breakers.

The super light version won't be as robust and will need more care
in use, but it'll be easier to carry: take your pick.

Similar to the standard model is the ME Dragonfly with a similar 3
pole setup, but that pitches all in one or fly first which, all
else being equal (have a sit in each pitched to decide if it is)
strikes me as a more user friendly way to go about things.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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