Performance Products

This doesn't sound like a scam. You weren't bilked out of any money. But they should have notified you that one or more items you'd ordered weren't in stock.

If you don't get satisfaction, call customer service. If they can't help, ask for Chris. If Chris
can't help, and I know he can, Sue is the next manager up. If you need something real bad and right
now, it's just not the company to deal with.

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For anyone ordering from Performance Products:

Be careful about ordering product from their website. I ordered a jacket and jersey last week
(along with a few other items) and when the package

dennisg said:

This doesn't sound like a scam. You weren't bilked out of any money. But they should have notified
you that one or more items you'd ordered weren't in stock.

The problem I've had with Performance is that their sale items are very often out of stock, but the
order is accepted anyway. Since you're putting in an order anyway, you will likely order some small
items like bar tape or inner tubes. Then you get a package without the item you really wanted and
find out you've paid $5 shipping on a roll of tape.

Best bet is to order by phone and specify that the order should be cancelled unless ALL items
are in stock.

Art Harris

Hi Harris-

I did call, and was told it was in stock. I am [censored] that I was lied to. Now I have to ride in the
cold, thanks to depending on them for an XXL jacket size. So much for depending on them. I have
ordered in the past and they have been fair in service. It it forecasted to be in the upper
30'sF/lower 40's on the ride.

Ed Deppe Minnesota

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dennisg said:

This doesn't sound like a scam. You weren't bilked out of any money. But they should have
notified you that one or more items you'd ordered weren't in stock.

The problem I've had with Performance is that their sale items are very often out of stock, but
the order is accepted anyway. Since you're putting in an order anyway, you will likely order some
small items like bar tape or inner tubes. Then you get a package without the item you really
wanted and find out you've paid $5 shipping on a roll of tape.

Best bet is to order by phone and specify that the order should be cancelled unless ALL items are
in stock.

Art Harris

The Airman said:

For anyone ordering from Performance Products:

Be careful about ordering product from their website. I ordered a jacket and jersey last week
(along with a few other items) and when the package showed up, the key items, the jacket and
jersey were missing. Upon calling them, they told me that they "advertise items on the website,
and do not know if anything is in stock, even though they take your credit card and pre-authorize
it BEFORE they even fill the order".. what a scam.

Now it is going to be real cold on this weekend's Ironman ride.

Thanks Performance Products!

Ed

I've had very good experiences with Performance. However, any time that you order on line, you take
that risk. I don't know of a single company that guarantees that it's on line inventory count is
always accurate -- how many people put things in the basket and don't buy 'em or have their credit
card rejected, or typed something incorrect and get the order rejected, etc.? So, it can't reduce
the inventory until the order is reviewed and the products shipped. If you absolutely HAVE to have
something in short order, get it locally.

David

I stopped dealing with Performance and Nashbar long ago because of the shenanigans. If you really
need something, buy it from your local shop or do the deal by phone and make them check stock. "The
Airman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For anyone ordering from Performance Products:

Be careful about ordering product from their website. I ordered a jacket and jersey last week
(along with a few other items) and when the package showed up, the key items, the jacket and
jersey were missing. Upon

calling

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them, they told me that they "advertise items on the website, and do not know if anything is in
stock, even though they take your credit card and pre-authorize it BEFORE they even fill the
order".. what a scam.

Now it is going to be real cold on this weekend's Ironman ride.

Thanks Performance Products!

Ed

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I stopped dealing with Performance and Nashbar long ago because of the shenanigans. If you really
need something, buy it from your local shop

<snip rest>

Exactly...any LBS can get you anything you need - often faster than Performance (or anyone else)
could have shipped it out to you. My shop can get anything anyone has ever needed in 2 days, and
between Hawley, J&B, and Quality, we're never out of stock.

Don't shop online unless they're offering one of those so-good-I-don't-know-if-I-should-trust-it
deals...and even then, do it over the phone.

Chris

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:16:07 GMT, "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote:

I just ordered shoes, pedals, and tires from Nashbar. Got everything I ordered and saved 20% using
cupon code CEM6.

I understand LBS not liking online shoppers, but please don't begrudge us our savings. Our money is
as hard to come by as yours. Every bit we save helps.

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Quoted message said:

I stopped dealing with Performance and Nashbar long ago because of the shenanigans. If you really
need something, buy it from your local shop

<snip rest>

Exactly...any LBS can get you anything you need - often faster than Performance (or anyone else)
could have shipped it out to you. My shop can get anything anyone has ever needed in 2 days, and
between Hawley, J&B, and Quality, we're never out of stock.

Don't shop online unless they're offering one of those so-good-I-don't-know-if-I-should-trust-it
deals...and even then, do it over the phone.

Chris

George said:

I just ordered shoes, pedals, and tires from Nashbar. Got everything I ordered and saved 20% using
cupon code CEM6.

Where did you get that from?

Art Harris

I do go to my LBS when I can, but if I can save, I will by ordering online.

The hogwash of going to the LBS and spending more $$ for service is a bunch of BS. I am sure the LBS
people - when they fly to Interbike- do they look for the lowest airfare? or do they just walk into
the local CTO (city ticket office) office of the airline and buy the highest fare...

Sure... what a laugh.

I have had good luck buying online. I just don't trust what Performance says anymore.

Ed

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:16:07 GMT, "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote:

I just ordered shoes, pedals, and tires from Nashbar. Got everything I ordered and saved 20% using
cupon code CEM6.

I understand LBS not liking online shoppers, but please don't begrudge us our savings. Our money
is as hard to come by as yours. Every bit we save helps.

Quoted message said:

"MGC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I stopped dealing with Performance and Nashbar long ago because of the shenanigans. If you
really need something, buy it from your local shop

<snip rest>

Exactly...any LBS can get you anything you need - often faster than Performance (or anyone else)
could have shipped it out to you. My shop

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get anything anyone has ever needed in 2 days, and between Hawley, J&B,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quality, we're never out of stock.

Don't shop online unless they're offering one of those so-good-I-don't-know-if-I-should-trust-it
deals...and even then, do it

over

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the phone.

Chris

I've bought from both Performance and Nashbar in the past and haven't had any problems with them
willing my orders or the quality of their products. Recently I've been throwing more business to my
LBS because they've had components/parts at prices the same or lower than Performance and Nashbar.
All things being equal I'll always go with the LBS because there's shipping to recon with through
Performance/Nashbar. Seems like they've become a lot more pricey in the past two years but that's
their choice. Mine is simply who I buy from :-)

The Airman wrote in message ...

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I do go to my LBS when I can, but if I can save, I will by ordering online.

The hogwash of going to the LBS and spending more $$ for service is a bunch of BS. I am sure the
LBS people - when they fly to Interbike- do they

look

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for the lowest airfare? or do they just walk into the local CTO (city

ticket

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office) office of the airline and buy the highest fare...

Sure... what a laugh.

I have had good luck buying online. I just don't trust what Performance says anymore.

Ed

"George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:16:07 GMT, "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote:

I just ordered shoes, pedals, and tires from Nashbar. Got everything I ordered and saved 20%
using cupon code CEM6.

I understand LBS not liking online shoppers, but please don't begrudge us our savings. Our money
is as hard to come by as yours. Every bit we save helps.

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"MGC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> I stopped dealing with Performance and Nashbar long ago because of the shenanigans. If you
> really need something, buy it from your local shop
<snip rest>

Exactly...any LBS can get you anything you need - often faster than Performance (or anyone else)
could have shipped it out to you. My shop

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get anything anyone has ever needed in 2 days, and between Hawley, J&B,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quality, we're never out of stock.

Don't shop online unless they're offering one of those so-good-I-don't-know-if-I-should-trust-it
deals...and even then, do it

over

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the phone.

Chris

"The Airman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I do go to my LBS when I can, but if I can save, I will by ordering

online.

Quoted message said:

The hogwash of going to the LBS and spending more $$ for service is a

bunch

Quoted message said:

of BS. I am sure the LBS people - when they fly to Interbike- do they

look

Quoted message said:

for the lowest airfare? or do they just walk into the local CTO (city

ticket

Quoted message said:

office) office of the airline and buy the highest fare...

Sure... what a laugh.

<snip>

My post didn't stress the point that shopping at the LBS is good for your karma (bikema?), my point
was if you *really* need something - like the OP *really* needed clothes in a size not commonly
stocked - than the direct face-to-face service found at the LBS will always be the best: a real
person (whom you should probably know on a first name basis) is there to tell you when it'll be
there and how much it'l cost, and they'll be there again if there are problems.

I know all about online shopping: before I was offered a job at my LBS, I'd go in to show off my
fancy new internetted parts to all my friends there - they even let me use their tools and
workstands (no charge) to install my PricePoint/Jenson/Cambria kit. We both knew I was getting the
parts at what amounted to about a 10% markup over their cost, and that as much as I would have liked
to, I couldn't have shopped with them and still eaten 7 days a week.

However, if I had a race in a week and needed a specific, say, shirt - like the OP - I'd have been
at the LBS, no doubt.

As a former mostly-online shopper and a current LBS (real LBS by the way...local owned, not a chain)
employee, I recommend ordering online when you have all the time in the world - but only after
checking prices against your LBS' best.

Chris

Hi Chris-

Yes I know- it is nice to have a LBS. I have my own bike stand and tools, and do my own work when I
have the time. I do buy from the LBS, and having Quality Bike Products here in Bloomington MN, keeps
the supply ok.

Ed

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"The Airman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I do go to my LBS when I can, but if I can save, I will by ordering

online.

Quoted message said:

The hogwash of going to the LBS and spending more $$ for service is a

bunch

Quoted message said:

of BS. I am sure the LBS people - when they fly to Interbike- do they

look

Quoted message said:

for the lowest airfare? or do they just walk into the local CTO (city

ticket

Quoted message said:

office) office of the airline and buy the highest fare...

Sure... what a laugh.

<snip>

My post didn't stress the point that shopping at the LBS is good for your karma (bikema?), my
point was if you *really* need something - like the OP *really* needed clothes in a size not
commonly stocked - than the direct face-to-face service found at the LBS will always be the
best: a real

person

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(whom you should probably know on a first name basis) is there to tell you when it'll be there and
how much it'l cost, and they'll be there again if there are problems.

I know all about online shopping: before I was offered a job at my LBS,

I'd

Quoted message said:

go in to show off my fancy new internetted parts to all my friends there - they even let me use
their tools and workstands (no charge) to install my PricePoint/Jenson/Cambria kit. We both knew I
was getting the parts at

what

Quoted message said:

amounted to about a 10% markup over their cost, and that as much as I

would

Quoted message said:

have liked to, I couldn't have shopped with them and still eaten 7 days a week.

However, if I had a race in a week and needed a specific, say, shirt -

like

Quoted message said:

the OP - I'd have been at the LBS, no doubt.

As a former mostly-online shopper and a current LBS (real LBS by the way...local owned, not a
chain) employee, I recommend ordering online when you have all the time in the world - but only
after checking prices

against

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your LBS' best.

Chris

Yesterday I bought a set of wheels from Performance Bike, at the walk in store in Torrance, Ca.

The set of wheels I wanted (on the web site) were out of stock. Found this out when I tried to
go to 'check out.' Bummer because I had a 20% off coupon I could have used. The walk in store
had the same set of wheels, only with black rims instead of sliver (my first choice) for $240.
The web site had them on sale for $209. The walk in store manager matched that price.

Result: I got the wheels yesterday and saved shipping.

It's all what you make it.

The Airman said:

For anyone ordering from Performance Products:

Be careful about ordering product from their website. I ordered a jacket and jersey last week
(along with a few other items) and when the package showed up, the key items, the jacket and
jersey were missing. Upon calling them, they told me that they "advertise items on the website,
and do not know if anything is in stock, even though they take your credit card and pre-authorize
it BEFORE they even fill the order".. what a scam.

Now it is going to be real cold on this weekend's Ironman ride.

Thanks Performance Products!

Ed

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Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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George said:

I just ordered shoes, pedals, and tires from Nashbar. Got everything I ordered and saved 20%
using cupon code CEM6.

Where did you get that from?

Art Harris

They send out discount coupon codes to previous customers. They say that it's their way of
saying thanks.

Art said:

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George said:

I just ordered shoes, pedals, and tires from Nashbar. Got everything I ordered and saved 20%
using cupon code CEM6.

Where did you get that from?

Art Harris

They send out discount coupon codes to previous customers. They say that it's their way of
saying thanks.

I've been buying from Nashbar since the late '70s (Bike Warehouse then) and never got a coupon.
But then, I'm always hitting them up for price matches, so they probably don't want to say
"thanks" to me. <g>

Art Harris