PETA Kills Animals

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

I am a medical doctor but presently am the director of a lab doing
basical biomedical research. Topics are resuscitation, liquid
ventilation, pharamaceutical drug delivery and microemulsions. Our
research model is the dog, which we breed in-house. We're also a
cat/kitten rescue and adoption service on the side, figuring to make up
for the bad dog-karma with some good cat-karma. We're under USDA
inspection as a research facility, and our consulting vet is involved
in both the research and the rescue work. This has given me the chance
to learn some vet stuff. It's amazing how much it overlaps with human
medicine. I would say 90% of it is the same.

SBH

Topics are resuscitation, liquid

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ventilation, pharamaceutical drug delivery and microemulsions.

Cryonics? (You didn't think I'd get that did you.)

I think you'd have to do a lot of cat karma to make up for killing dogs
so wealthy wackos could be frozen until some time in the future when
they're rescusitated with just, er...slight brain and other organ
damage.

Zee

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Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

I am a medical doctor but presently am the director of a lab doing
basical biomedical research. Topics are resuscitation, liquid
ventilation, pharamaceutical drug delivery and microemulsions. Our
research model is the dog, which we breed in-house. We're also a
cat/kitten rescue and adoption service on the side, figuring to make up
for the bad dog-karma with some good cat-karma. We're under USDA
inspection as a research facility, and our consulting vet is involved
in both the research and the rescue work. This has given me the chance
to learn some vet stuff. It's amazing how much it overlaps with human
medicine. I would say 90% of it is the same.

SBH

You forgot to add that you're a polymath who
writes poetry (well, limericks) and waxes
philosophically.

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Topics are resuscitation, liquid

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ventilation, pharamaceutical drug delivery and microemulsions.

Cryonics? (You didn't think I'd get that did you.)

I think you'd have to do a lot of cat karma to make up for killing dogs
so wealthy wackos could be frozen until some time in the future when
they're rescusitated with just, er...slight brain and other organ
damage.

Yep, you spotted it, Zee. But what does
saving cats do for the freeze-dried dogs?
Have you ever suffered frost bite? Not
pleasant.

George

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Cryonics? (You didn't think I'd get that did you.) <<

Of course you're going to get cryonics. On the net, I'm Doctor Cryonics
and if you googled me and didn't get that, you'd be blind.

The reason I didn't mention that, is it's not what we do. Most of our
research is not cryonics, and the guys who actually do cryonics are in
anyother state. Of course there's overlap.

We have a couple of dogs who survived cardiac fibrillation/arrest with
circulatory arrest and no blood pressure, at normal body temp, for over
15 minutes. Dead on the table for 15 minutes. Yeah, that's a long time
to be clinically dead especially with no CPR. We've had them for about
8 years. They don't have ANY brain damage that we can detect. As I say,
we're researching resuscitation.

Cryonics is another matter. You go into liquid nitrogen, the damage
that happens isn't slight by any standards. The only thing you can say
about it is that it beats cremation or burial.

SBH

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I think you'd have to do a lot of cat karma to make up for killing dogs

so wealthy wackos could be frozen until some time in the future when
they're rescusitated with just, er...slight brain and other organ
damage. <<

COMMENT:

I might also add that the natural customers of a resuscitation
technique that can get you back after 15 mintues on the floor in
cardiac arrest, would be people in cardiac arrest, and their families.
Alas, that's the world's worst business model. Your only client group
consists of people who only need you for 15 minutes, once in their
lives (on average) and are unconcious during THAT time. Contrast that
with HIV infected patients who know they're dying for 10+ years, and
you'll see why resuscitation medicine takes it in the shorts.

There's also the FDA. Try getting anybody to sign a research consent
form when you've got a couple of minutes after 911 is called, and the
actual research patient isn't even clinically alive. You'd think that
would make it easy, but the FDA knows how to make anything you like
into a $100 dollar problem.

SBH

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but the FDA knows how to make anything you like

into a $100 dollar problem<<

Sorry, $100 MILLION dollar problem.