Peugeot

Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

Probably a cottored crank and yes, replace away just be advised that
the BB shell is French threaded. Not hard to find, but not common
either.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

Probably a cottored crank and yes, replace away just be advised that
the BB shell is French threaded. Not hard to find, but not common
either.

For French threaded parts, check out Sheldon's excellent site:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/french.html

Everything you need to know and more!

bfd said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

Probably a cottored crank and yes, replace away just be advised that
the BB shell is French threaded. Not hard to find, but not common
either.

For French threaded parts, check out Sheldon's excellent site:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/french.html

Everything you need to know and more!

For French BB parts without the price gouging, check out "Hampbike" on
eBay. Nice Sugino cups, with a set of grade 25 bearing balls, for under
20 bucks.

Just say "no" to getting screwed!

Those D-shaped spindles are "cottered crank" spindles, you probably
have a 1970's bike-boom 10-speed, a low-end model, weighing about
28-30 lbs.

You _may_ have french-threaded bottom bracket cups, which are no
longer made. In that case you have 2 options for installing a modern
square-tapered crank :

(a) Buy the phil wood retaining rings for french-threaded cups
(www.philwood.com). The bottom bracket itself may be Phil Wood, or
Shimano UN-72 or IRD Tange bottom bracket (www.interlocracing.com)
(the latter 2 are cartridge models where _both_ cups can be removed.)

(b) Buy a sugino square-tapered spindle and re-use the existing cups.
You can find the list of available sugino square-tapered spindles at
www.harriscyclery.com in the bottom brackets section.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Donald Gillies said:

(a) Buy the phil wood retaining rings for french-threaded cups
(www.philwood.com). The bottom bracket itself may be Phil Wood, or
Shimano UN-72 or IRD Tange bottom bracket (www.interlocracing.com)
(the latter 2 are cartridge models where _both_ cups can be removed.)

I've done the UN-72 thing and it works great.

Do you know for sure that the Tange/IRD one will work though? The
cartridge diameter looks WAY too big to fit inside a Phil Wood cup. The
reason a UN-72 worked was not just its dual removable cups, but also
because its diameter is close enough to that of a Phil. If you've
gotten one to work, great; but I SERIOUSLY doubt it would.

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(b) Buy a sugino square-tapered spindle and re-use the existing cups.
You can find the list of available sugino square-tapered spindles at
www.harriscyclery.com in the bottom brackets section.

Most French BBs had thin cups, and the spindles need bearing races
spaced wide enough. Italian ("5 series"😉 spindles work, but Harris no
longer has those. TA spindles work too, but the spindle costs almost as
much as a Phil cartridge. The cheapest option I've found is the Sugino
thick-walled cups and an English-68mm ("3 series"😉 spindle.

Peugeots are great! I've got a '75 PX10, and my brother has a '72 PR10.
Fine, fine bicycles, those Peugeots!

Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html

You have Peugeot's distinctive pattern of steel rim by Rigida. If you
find that stamped pattern attractive, keep the rear. Get an aluminum
front rim which will stop. Steel rims are lousy for braking and dismal
when wet.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:18:47 -0600, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

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Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html

You have Peugeot's distinctive pattern of steel rim by Rigida. If you
find that stamped pattern attractive, keep the rear. Get an aluminum
front rim which will stop. Steel rims are lousy for braking and dismal
when wet.

Steel is (depending on the pad material; leather is a good choice)
slightly better than Aluminium alloy, especially anodised aluminium
alloy, when dry.

Hank Wirtz said:

Peugeots are great! I've got a '75 PX10, and my brother has a '72 PR10.
Fine, fine bicycles, those Peugeots!

Generally I'd agree, but from the OP's description (cottered cranks)
it sounds as though he's got an (ugh) UO-8. :-(

jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

A Muzi said:

Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html

I'm glad to see you still have 5 series spindles listed.

Just out of curiosity, since you carry them and are the sort to try,
are the Tange cartridge BBs of an appropriate diameter to be used with
Phil Wood rings? I've seen the idea put forth because they have two
removable cups, but I think they'd be too big. I'm curious to know for
sure whether it would work or not, because UN72s are few and far
between these days.

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Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

I said:

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Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html
You have Peugeot's distinctive pattern of steel rim by Rigida. If you
find that stamped pattern attractive, keep the rear. Get an aluminum
front rim which will stop. Steel rims are lousy for braking and dismal
when wet.

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Steel is (depending on the pad material; leather is a good choice)
slightly better than Aluminium alloy, especially anodised aluminium
alloy, when dry.

Any data on that? My impression is the other way around.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Daniel said:

Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

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A Muzi said:

Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html

Hank Wirtz said:

I'm glad to see you still have 5 series spindles listed.
Just out of curiosity, since you carry them and are the sort to try,
are the Tange cartridge BBs of an appropriate diameter to be used with
Phil Wood rings? I've seen the idea put forth because they have two
removable cups, but I think they'd be too big. I'm curious to know for
sure whether it would work or not, because UN72s are few and far
between these days.

Phil's bearing is a 61903, 30mm OD. Tange's is 32.2mm

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

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Daniel wrote:
> Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
> pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I am
> noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to me.
> They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
> spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
> with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I also
> got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool engravings
> all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

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A Muzi said:

Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html

Hank Wirtz said:

I'm glad to see you still have 5 series spindles listed.
Just out of curiosity, since you carry them and are the sort to try,
are the Tange cartridge BBs of an appropriate diameter to be used with
Phil Wood rings? I've seen the idea put forth because they have two
removable cups, but I think they'd be too big. I'm curious to know for
sure whether it would work or not, because UN72s are few and far
between these days.

Phil's bearing is a 61903, 30mm OD. Tange's is 32.2mm

Thanks for verifying! I measured my UN72 and my Phil, and they were
both 30, but I didn't have a Tange to compare it to. I found a picture
of IRD's on the web and threw it into photoshop, cropped it to the ends
of the spindle and used that as a constant, and came up with a diameter
of exactly thirty-ish.

That trick worked better when I measured a hub I was ordering online
for spoke calculations. Much more room for slop, there.

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Daniel wrote:
> Hey everyone. I recently pulled a steel Peugeot frame out of a bike
> pile and I am really excited to put it together. The only thing I

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> noticing though is the bottom bracket spindles are not familiar to

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> They are kind of D shaped. Anyone have any insight on what kind of
> spindle this might be? Would it be possible to replace the spindle
> with a more modern type so I can put some newer cranks on it? I

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> got a nice set of track wheels from the pile, they have cool

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> all around the rim surface...very fancy to my eyes!

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Using your cups, you can change the spindle:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/bbopt.html
You have Peugeot's distinctive pattern of steel rim by Rigida. If

you

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find that stamped pattern attractive, keep the rear. Get an aluminum
front rim which will stop. Steel rims are lousy for braking and

dismal

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when wet.

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Steel is (depending on the pad material; leather is a good choice)
slightly better than Aluminium alloy, especially anodised aluminium
alloy, when dry.

Any data on that? My impression is the other way around.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The embossed patterns in the braking area of steel rims provides less area
for brake pad contact. I guess or maybe I read somewhere long ago that the
patterns gave water some place to move like treads on a car tire. Nice
idea but the smooth chrome plated areas don't provide much of a friction
surface when wet.

Hitting the brakes in the rain and nothing happens is not one of those
fond memories in life.

Chas.