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  1. I have two whole plaice in my refrigerator, but no idea how to cook it, since I don't want to just
    cut them into filets, coat them, and fry them. Does anyone have a good recipe for them? It will have
    to be without any kind of cheese, as I'm lactose intolerant, but ordinary milk and such can easily
    be replaced by substitutes.

    TYVM in advance.
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "I like my tea like I like my women... Green and tastes a little bit like
    seaweed." GranoblasticMan (afdaniain)

  2. Quoted message said:

    I have two whole plaice in my refrigerator, but no idea how to cook it, since I don't want to just
    cut them into filets, coat them, and fry them.

    May we assume that the plaice (sole/flounder for da Merkins in da house) have been beheaded, gutted,
    and/or skinned?

    Also, how long have they been in your refrigerator? Two-three days max, otherwise you may as well
    compost them.

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have a good recipe for them? It will have to be without any kind of cheese, as I'm
    lactose intolerant, but ordinary milk and such can easily be replaced by substitutes.

    Stuff with a mixture of bread crumbs and savoury mixed with one beaten egg, or with bread crumbs
    mixed with shrimp or crabmeat) and bake @ 350 (obCelsius: you do the math) for about 15-20 minutes
    depending on thickeness if you're using whole flatfish and their thickness.

    Or, dust lightly with flour, shake off excess, place on thinly sliced onions, sprinkle with some
    lemon and/or limes zest, drizzle with light olive oil and broil.

    Best,

    Marc

    Quoted message said:

    "I like my tea like I like my women... Green and tastes a little bit like seaweed." GranoblasticMan
    (afdaniain)

  3. Quoted message said:

    Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxnemwiki.pl "I like my tea like I like
    my women... Green and tastes a little bit like seaweed." GranoblasticMan (afdaniain)

    "I like my women the way I like my coffee . . .hot, black, and dribbling down my chin when my
    brother pulls aways from the stoplight too fast."

    Attributed to someone who I can't remember.

  4. "MEow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have two whole plaice in my refrigerator, but no idea how to cook it, since I don't want to just
    cut them into filets, coat them, and fry them. Does anyone have a good recipe for them? It will
    have to be without any kind of cheese, as I'm lactose intolerant, but ordinary milk and such can
    easily be replaced by substitutes.

    TYVM in advance.

    How big are they?

    plaice [PLAYC] The American plaice, also called Canadian plaice and dab, is a member of the FLOUNDER
    family, which is found on both sides of the Atlantic. The fish can be various shades of reddish- to
    gray-brown and has a lowfat, fine-textured flesh with a mild, sweet flavor. The American plaice can
    get as large as 12 pounds but is usually marketed in the 2- to 3-pound range. It's available fresh
    and frozen, either whole or filleted. The European plaice, a similar fish but with different
    coloring, is found in the North Sea and is widely popular in Europe. Both the American and European
    plaice are suitable for almost any cooking method. See also FISH; FLATFISH. © Copyright Barron's
    Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on

    I would use any Flounder recipe and you should be just fine.

    Dimitri

    BAKED FLOUNDER ROLLS WITH TOMATO, BELL PEPPER, AND BACON 6 slices of lean bacon, chopped fine
    1/4 cup finely chopped shallot
    2/3 cup minced green bell pepper
    3/2 cup dry white wine a 28-ounce can tomatoes including the juice, chopped
    4/2 teaspoon crumbled dried basil six 1/2-pound flounder fillets, halved lengthwise and seasoned
    with salt and pepper
    5/2 cup fine fresh bread crumbs 2 tablespoons finely chopped fresh parsley leaves 1
    tablespoon olive oil

    In a skillet cook the bacon over moderate heat until it is crisp, transfer it to paper towels to
    drain, and discard all but 2 tablespoons of the fat. In the fat remaining in the skillet cook the
    shallot and the bell pepper over moderately low heat, stirring, for 3 minutes, add the wine, and
    boil the mixture, scraping up the brown bits, for 1 minute. Add the tomatoes with the juice, the
    basil, and salt and pepper to taste and simmer the sauce, stirring occasionally, for 10 minutes, or
    until it is thickened. On a work surface arrange the flounder fillet halves, skinned sides up,
    beginning with the narrow end roll up each fillet half jelly-roll fashion, and secure each roll with
    a wooden pick. In an oiled flameproof baking pan, 15 by 10 by 2 inches, arrange the fish rolls, seam
    sides down and not touching each other, pour the sauce evenly over them, and bake the mixture in the
    middle of a preheated 400°F. oven for 10 minutes. In a bowl stir together the bread crumbs, the
    parsley, the bacon, and salt and pepper to taste and sprinkle the topping over the rolls. Drizzle
    the fish rolls with the oil and bake the mixture for 10 minutes, or until the fish just flakes. (For
    a crisper topping, the cooked mixture may be broiled under a preheated broiler about 4 inches from
    the heat for 1 to 2 minutes.) Transfer the fish rolls to a heated platter and spoon the sauce and
    topping over them. Serves 6.

    Gourmet May 1992

  5. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, MrAoD of AOL

    url='http://www.aol.com/'http://www.aol.com/url said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have two whole plaice in my refrigerator, but no idea how to cook it, since I don't want to just
    cut them into filets, coat them, and fry them.

    May we assume that the plaice (sole/flounder for da Merkins in da house) have been beheaded,
    gutted, and/or skinned?


    They've been gutted, but nothing else.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, how long have they been in your refrigerator? Two-three days max, otherwise you may as well
    compost them.


    I bought them today, and plan to cook them tomorrow.

    They're about 0,5 kg combined ( members.aol.comnumbers.html should convert to
    your local units)

    I'll have to admit that I've never stuffed food before (unless you count stuffing it into my mouth),
    so I'd appreciate it if you could tell me how to do that (I have a description of how to cut them
    into filets handy, so no need for you to describe that, in case you'd do that before stuffing them).
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN Matthew 10:14, "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when
    ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

  6. [email hidden] (MrAoD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxnemwiki.pl "I like my tea like I
    like my women... Green and tastes a little bit like seaweed." GranoblasticMan (afdaniain)

    "I like my women the way I like my coffee . . .hot, black, and dribbling down my chin when my
    brother pulls aways from the stoplight too fast."

    Attributed to someone who I can't remember.

    "Russian men like their women the same way they like their tea -- cold and bitter"
    Panikovsky the Troll

    -bwg

  7. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, MrAoD of AOL

    url='http://www.aol.com/'http://www.aol.com/url said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    May we assume that the plaice (sole/flounder for da Merkins in da house)


    have

    Quoted message said:

    been beheaded, gutted, and/or skinned?


    They've been gutted, but nothing else.

    Skin on?

    Yes, and they haven't been decapitated either. Do I need to skin and/or decapitate them before
    cooking them? I'm pretty much a beginner at this, so I don't know these kind of things.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, how long have they been in your refrigerator? Two-three days max, otherwise you may as well
    compost them.


    I bought them today, and plan to cook them tomorrow.

    Sorry I'm a bit tardy in my reply but . . .


    No stress. I won't have them before dinner.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    They're about 0,5 kg combined ( members.aol.comnumbers.html should convert to
    your local units)

    Two weighing in at a little over a pound? Kinda small but . . .

    I thought it was a pretty normal size. How long do you think would be appropriate to cook plaice
    that size, stuffed?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to admit that I've never stuffed food before (unless you count stuffing it into my
    mouth), so I'd appreciate it if you could tell me how to do that

    Most terse explanation I found since it's 5:30 am local and I haven't had enough coffee to explain
    on my own:

    "Slice each flounder on the dark side down the middle. Slice toward the sides making a pocket under
    the meat large enough to place the seafood stuffing."

    "Dark side" I take to refer to the top of the fish - dark skin - not the belly. Cut along the
    center bone on either side, not all the way to the end of the fish. Run your knife towards the
    edges, under the top filet but above the ribs. Cut through the ribs on one side and remove center
    bone and the remaining attached rib bones, then remove the detached rib bones. Pair of needle nosed
    pliers works wonders.

    Then just roll your stuffing into an oval and slide into the resulting pocket.

    As for stuffings, florentine (spinach, ricotta or sour cream, and mushrooms) comes to mind. Also,
    what Dmitri said . . .


    I'll probably try something like what Dmitri suggested, as non dairy replacement for sour cream is
    quite expensive.
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "The best ballerina is an upside down ballerina. (afdaniain)

  8. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Dimitri of SBC

    url='http://yahoo.sbc.com/'http://yahoo.sbc.com/url said:

    BAKED FLOUNDER ROLLS WITH TOMATO, BELL PEPPER, AND BACON 6 slices of lean bacon, chopped fine
    1/4 cup finely chopped shallot
    2/3 cup minced green bell pepper
    1/2 cup dry white wine a 28-ounce can tomatoes including the juice, chopped
    1/2 teaspoon crumbled dried basil six 1/2-pound flounder fillets, halved lengthwise and seasoned
    with salt and pepper
    1/2 cup fine fresh bread crumbs 2 tablespoons finely chopped fresh parsley leaves 1 tablespoon
    olive oil


    I think I'm going to make something like this, only without bacon, and stuff my plaice with it. I
    have one more question, though: Is it so that I use the ingredients listed before the fish, as the
    sauce, and the ingredients listed after as stuffing, or?
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "Er staat een eland op je hoofd!" Eggbert "Hy is onzichtbaar en zonder gewicht"
    Jan van den Broek (afdaniain) "Hij is ook stil en heeft geen geur." Pixel (defies definition)

  9. "MEow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking said:

    BAKED FLOUNDER ROLLS WITH TOMATO, BELL PEPPER, AND BACON 6 slices of lean bacon, chopped fine
    1/4 cup finely chopped shallot
    2/3 cup minced green bell pepper
    1/2 cup dry white wine a 28-ounce can tomatoes including the juice, chopped
    1/2 teaspoon crumbled dried basil six 1/2-pound flounder fillets, halved lengthwise and seasoned
    with salt


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pepper
    1/2 cup fine fresh bread crumbs 2 tablespoons finely chopped fresh parsley leaves 1 tablespoon
    olive oil


    I think I'm going to make something like this, only without bacon, and stuff my plaice with it. I
    have one more question, though: Is it so that I use the ingredients listed before the fish, as the
    sauce, and the ingredients listed after as stuffing, or?

    The ingredients "after the fish" are used as a topping to "crisp" the dish if you will, an au gratin
    or a topping.

    That is how I read the recipe.

    Dimitri

  10. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, MEow of Feline.Inc said:

    [snip all]

    I've just eaten one of the best dinners I've ever cooked, if not *the* best!

    Thank you very much, Marc and Dimitri!

    I made a smaller batch of the sauce in Dimitri's recipe, without the bacon, and with red bell pepper
    + extra shallots in stead of a green bell pepper, as I discovered, too late, that I had no green
    ones. Then I tried my best to prepare the fish as March had described, but what a struggle to get
    out the bones! Good thing I didn't skin the fish, or it would've been a mess! I then filled the fish
    with breadcrumbs/oil/dried basil, poured the sauce over the fish and -ehm- cooked it in the oven for
    10 minutes.

    In any case, it was worth the struggling with getting the bones out; and I can reheat, and enjoy,
    the other fish tomorrow (two fish is a bit much for one meal, but I didn't want to start up the oven
    for just one!)
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "So you're saying rhinos and hippos *can* jump? Odd..." Nemo (a.a.)

  11. MEow said:

    While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, MEow of Feline.Inc said:

    [snip all]

    I've just eaten one of the best dinners I've ever cooked, if not *the* best!

    Congrats!

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you very much, Marc and Dimitri!

    [pats self on back, shakes virtual hands with Dimitri]

    Quoted message said:

    I made a smaller batch of the sauce in Dimitri's recipe, without the bacon, and with red bell
    pepper + extra shallots in stead of a green bell pepper, as I discovered, too late, that I had no
    green ones.

    Improvisation and inspiration are indistinguishable in the kitchen.

    Quoted message said:

    Then I tried my best to prepare the fish as March had described, but what a struggle to get out the
    bones! Good thing I didn't skin the fish, or it would've been a mess!

    Double congrats. Either you've got mad knife skills or beginner's luck out the yoo-hoo. Took me a
    couple of tries before I got it right, you did it on the first.

    Best,

    Marc

  12. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, MrAoD of AOL

    url='http://www.aol.com/'http://www.aol.com/url said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then I tried my best to prepare the fish as March had described, but what a struggle to get out
    the bones! Good thing I didn't skin the fish, or it would've been a mess!

    Double congrats. Either you've got mad knife skills or beginner's luck out the yoo-hoo. Took me a
    couple of tries before I got it right, you did it on the first.


    They didn't turn out exactly as you described, but they were useful (meaning whole and with
    something to stick the stuffing into) in any case. I can be very stubborn if I want to, though there
    was still a bit of bones left in the fish afterwards because I couldn't get it to let go at the
    sides, so I just cut through the bones very close to the side.
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "No. *Real* men eat whatever they like." Chwith (AFV)

  13. On 08 Jan 2004 17:38:46 GMT, MrAoD wrote: [SNIP]

    Quoted message said:

    May we assume that the plaice (sole/flounder for da Merkins in da house) have been beheaded,
    gutted, and/or skinned?

    If this is European plaice, it is a flatfish but it isn't the same as sole or flounder.
    infochembio.ethz.chzool fische platt.html

    Doug

  14. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking said:

    If this is European plaice, it is a flatfish but it isn't the same as sole or flounder.
    infochembio.ethz.chzool fische platt.html


    That's the one, yes.

    ichtyonb1.mnhn.frSpeciesSummary.cfm should link directly, but now I've
    already gotten a recipe which worked fine.
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN “Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
    in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us” Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

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