posture and sit bones?

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-22, MattB penned:

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Saturday the lot was packed full, but because
it was snowing nobody was on the hill. It was great!

Wait, wait. It was snowing, and no one wanted to be skiing? Odd.

Yeah. It's all the flatland tourists they get. When it's snowing it
mayhem in the lodge and the locals have the mountain to themselves.

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And now I'm going to stop talking about skiing. This is a MTB NG and I
shouldn't be talking more about skiing than about mountain biking =P

Oh well...

Matt

On 2005-02-22, MattB penned:

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Thanks. That was one of my buddies checking on the pass status. For the
record if you die during the season Monarch will refund your pass, which is
very nice of them.

Let's hope they don't have to enact that policy very often.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

On 2005-02-22, Gwood penned:

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At the risk of sounding indelicate, my wife complained of this problem for
some time. With a new bike (she had it coming, not just for this complaint)
and some adjustments, she is now mostly pain free unless we do really long
climbs or quite extended rides. I beleive her effective top tube is now a
bit shorter, so her posture would be a bit more upright. Perhaps this is a
part of your posture change as well?

Hrm, good question. I had my bike fit to me when I bought it last summer.

Honestly, I'd rather have sore sitbones than pressure up front ... I think the
sitbones will eventually adjust, while I doubt my crotch ever would. Overall,
I think this is a good change, just puzzling.

I also seemed to notice that I felt less pressure in my hands on the ride, and
it was much easier to keep my wrists straight, rather than collapsing them.
Some of this may be my martial arts revival; I'm punching the bag a lot, and
that is probably doing good things for my wrist stability.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

Monique Y. Mudama said:

At least with mountain biking, you know there won't be a restaurant
right at the trail head, so you *have* to brown bag it!

You haven't ridden in Phoenix then. ;^)

There IS a restaurant at every trail head. At least within a mile.

Mike

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-22, Gwood penned:

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At the risk of sounding indelicate, my wife complained of this problem for
some time. With a new bike (she had it coming, not just for this complaint)
and some adjustments, she is now mostly pain free unless we do really long
climbs or quite extended rides. I beleive her effective top tube is now a
bit shorter, so her posture would be a bit more upright. Perhaps this is a
part of your posture change as well?

Hrm, good question. I had my bike fit to me when I bought it last summer.

Honestly, I'd rather have sore sitbones than pressure up front ... I think the
sitbones will eventually adjust, while I doubt my crotch ever would. Overall,
I think this is a good change, just puzzling.

I also seemed to notice that I felt less pressure in my hands on the ride, and
it was much easier to keep my wrists straight, rather than collapsing them.
Some of this may be my martial arts revival; I'm punching the bag a lot, and
that is probably doing good things for my wrist stability.

\\Rant ON\\

The "sitbone" is called the coxic.

This is why I avoid ChiroQUACKters at all cost. These are NOT real
doctors and how they have the audasity to put DR in front of their names
is beyond me. Once you go to one, you will always be back because of
the "manipulation" they perform. One is not cured of pain by having
their joints viscously moved about the body. Get out while you can
before they do some serious damage.

I equate Chiropratics to Scientology. Their both money hungry lunatic
beliefs.

\\Rant OFF\\

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Per Monique Y. Mudama:

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I wonder if, as my
posture improves, I'm actually sitting on my sitbones more and my tailbone
less. Has anyone else experienced something similar?

I notice it every spring...to the extent that this winter I'm trying extra hard
to get enough time in so my sit bones don't lose whatever it is that keeps them
from getting sore.

When I used to surf, there was something we called "surfer's knots" - fibrous
pads that developed on the shin right below the knee of people that knee-paddled
a lot. After awhile, you could kneel on almost anything for a long time and not
feel a thing. Stop surfing, and they gradually go away.

I have to wonder if something similar isn't at work with the sit bones.

Also, as you tilt your pelvis (as in sitting up straight vs leaning forward) the
sit bone area that contacts the saddle supposedly gets wider as you sit more
upright and narrower as you lean forward. How much? Dunno - but maybe it's
enough to make a saddle that's ok in an aero position too narrow for upright
riding....
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PeteCresswell

Per Monique Y. Mudama:

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On long, non-technical rides
like the one I did this weekend, I'd feel a great deal of pressure up front,
progressing from annoying to uncomfortable to painful.

Saddle tilt. If you don't already have one, get a 2-bolt micro-adjustable
seatpost. Couple degrees made the diff for one of my daughters.
--
PeteCresswell

"Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi, all! Long time no type.

I rode my bike on Sunday. It was the first time in several months. (Yes,

I

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realize this is pathetic.) Anyway, my sitbones were killing me. They've
never hurt this bad from a bike ride. And I'm wondering ... I've been

doing a

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lot of chiro visits, and my posture has improved a lot. I wonder if, as

my

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posture improves, I'm actually sitting on my sitbones more and my tailbone
less. Has anyone else experienced something similar?

Your ass (the muscles under your sit bones) is out of shape. Just ride more
and you'll develop a firmer ass (muscle under your sit bones) which should
lift your sit bones higher off your saddle.

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Per Monique Y. Mudama:

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On long, non-technical rides
like the one I did this weekend, I'd feel a great deal of pressure up front,
progressing from annoying to uncomfortable to painful.

Saddle tilt. If you don't already have one, get a 2-bolt micro-adjustable
seatpost. Couple degrees made the diff for one of my daughters.

yeah definitely...I used to ride with a basically flat saddle. it
worked -- at first. problem was long rides and the more I found trails
to start riding, then it became a bit more trying.

you need to tilt the nose down slightly on a MTB saddle...if you haven't
already, that's definitely going to help. personally, after dealing
with some discomfort (nor using a seat with the now-omnipotent
"cutout"😉, I decided to try it and tilted the nose down 2 notches. at
first, it felt quite awkward, like my weight was always being thrust
forward onto my handlebars. eventually I adjusted and it felt
completely natural, with the benefit of less pressure anywhere
sensitive. now, I cant imagine riding with a level saddle on the bike.
they say it's fine for road bikes though....FWIW.

bri

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On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

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\\Rant ON\\

The "sitbone" is called the coxic.

I thought the sitbones were the ischial tuberosities.

Are you sure you're not talking about the coccyx, or tailbone? If so, you
shouldn't be sitting on it.

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This is why I avoid ChiroQUACKters at all cost. These are NOT real doctors
and how they have the audasity to put DR in front of their names is beyond
me. Once you go to one, you will always be back because of the
"manipulation" they perform. One is not cured of pain by having their
joints viscously moved about the body. Get out while you can before they do
some serious damage.

I equate Chiropratics to Scientology. Their both money hungry lunatic
beliefs.

That's nice. A few weeks ago, I saw my "before" picture from a year ago
and couldn't believe it. I remember purposely standing up as straight
as I was physically able, and yet in the picture my neck is very clearly
tilted forward -- at a 27 degree angle! The difference in my posture is
astounding. I hadn't realized it, but I was well on my way to having a
hunchback.

There's no vicious joint movement where I go, either. It's about as vicious
as cracking your knuckles. And pain isn't the only reason to see a chiro.

I used to think the whole chiro thing was suspicious, too, but hey, if it
works ... I spoke to my GP about it and she said that if it made me feel
better, there was no harm in doing it. I'll take her word over yours.

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\\Rant OFF\\

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

On 2005-02-23, (Pete Cresswell) penned:

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Per Monique Y. Mudama:

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On long, non-technical rides like the one I did this weekend, I'd feel a
great deal of pressure up front, progressing from annoying to uncomfortable
to painful.

Saddle tilt. If you don't already have one, get a 2-bolt micro-adjustable
seatpost. Couple degrees made the diff for one of my daughters.

I've fiddled with this quite a bit, without great results. Tilt it enough to
be noticeable, and I was sliding forward on the seat, resulting in putting way
too much force into my arms to keep myself in the right position.

Anyway, as I said, the problem seems to have disappeared this year, along with
the appearance of more pain in my sit bones than usual. Given the positioning
of the two, I wouldn't be surprised if they're related.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

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\\Rant ON\\

The "sitbone" is called the coxic.

I thought the sitbones were the ischial tuberosities.

Are you sure you're not talking about the coccyx, or tailbone? If so, you
shouldn't be sitting on it.

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This is why I avoid ChiroQUACKters at all cost. These are NOT real doctors
and how they have the audasity to put DR in front of their names is beyond
me. Once you go to one, you will always be back because of the
"manipulation" they perform. One is not cured of pain by having their
joints viscously moved about the body. Get out while you can before they do
some serious damage.

I equate Chiropratics to Scientology. Their both money hungry lunatic
beliefs.

That's nice. A few weeks ago, I saw my "before" picture from a year ago
and couldn't believe it. I remember purposely standing up as straight
as I was physically able, and yet in the picture my neck is very clearly
tilted forward -- at a 27 degree angle! The difference in my posture is
astounding. I hadn't realized it, but I was well on my way to having a
hunchback.

There's no vicious joint movement where I go, either. It's about as vicious
as cracking your knuckles. And pain isn't the only reason to see a chiro.

I used to think the whole chiro thing was suspicious, too, but hey, if it
works ... I spoke to my GP about it and she said that if it made me feel
better, there was no harm in doing it. I'll take her word over yours.

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\\Rant OFF\\

That's fine. I'm just giving you my two cents as someone who has Chiros
in the family.

--
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www.schnauzers.ws

On 2005-02-23, Michael Dart penned:

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Monique Y. Mudama said:

At least with mountain biking, you know there won't be a restaurant right
at the trail head, so you *have* to brown bag it!

You haven't ridden in Phoenix then. ;^)

This is true. I have asked to bring along our bikes when we visit the
in-laws, but somehow it never transpires. And I'm never, ever in my life
driving to Phoenix from Boulder again. Life's too short to spend two days
driving for two days visiting relatives.

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There IS a restaurant at every trail head. At least within a mile.

Dangerous.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

Ride-A-Lot said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

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\\Rant ON\\

The "sitbone" is called the coxic.

I thought the sitbones were the ischial tuberosities.

Are you sure you're not talking about the coccyx, or tailbone? If so,
you
shouldn't be sitting on it.

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This is why I avoid ChiroQUACKters at all cost. These are NOT real
doctors
and how they have the audasity to put DR in front of their names is
beyond
me. Once you go to one, you will always be back because of the
"manipulation" they perform. One is not cured of pain by having their
joints viscously moved about the body. Get out while you can before
they do
some serious damage.

I equate Chiropratics to Scientology. Their both money hungry lunatic
beliefs.

That's nice. A few weeks ago, I saw my "before" picture from a year ago
and couldn't believe it. I remember purposely standing up as straight
as I was physically able, and yet in the picture my neck is very clearly
tilted forward -- at a 27 degree angle! The difference in my posture is
astounding. I hadn't realized it, but I was well on my way to having a
hunchback.

There's no vicious joint movement where I go, either. It's about as
vicious
as cracking your knuckles. And pain isn't the only reason to see a
chiro.

I used to think the whole chiro thing was suspicious, too, but hey, if it
works ... I spoke to my GP about it and she said that if it made me feel
better, there was no harm in doing it. I'll take her word over yours.

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\\Rant OFF\\

That's fine. I'm just giving you my two cents as someone who has Chiros
in the family.

Hopefully not Usenet-reading Chiros!

MattB said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

> \\Rant ON\\
>
> The "sitbone" is called the coxic.

I thought the sitbones were the ischial tuberosities.

Are you sure you're not talking about the coccyx, or tailbone? If
so, you
shouldn't be sitting on it.

> This is why I avoid ChiroQUACKters at all cost. These are NOT real
> doctors
> and how they have the audasity to put DR in front of their names is
> beyond
> me. Once you go to one, you will always be back because of the
> "manipulation" they perform. One is not cured of pain by having their
> joints viscously moved about the body. Get out while you can before
> they do
> some serious damage.
>
> I equate Chiropratics to Scientology. Their both money hungry lunatic
> beliefs.

That's nice. A few weeks ago, I saw my "before" picture from a year ago
and couldn't believe it. I remember purposely standing up as straight
as I was physically able, and yet in the picture my neck is very clearly
tilted forward -- at a 27 degree angle! The difference in my posture is
astounding. I hadn't realized it, but I was well on my way to having a
hunchback.

There's no vicious joint movement where I go, either. It's about as
vicious
as cracking your knuckles. And pain isn't the only reason to see a
chiro.

I used to think the whole chiro thing was suspicious, too, but hey,
if it
works ... I spoke to my GP about it and she said that if it made me feel
better, there was no harm in doing it. I'll take her word over yours.

> \\Rant OFF\\
>

That's fine. I'm just giving you my two cents as someone who has
Chiros in the family.

Hopefully not Usenet-reading Chiros!

Ha! Who do you think told me that the whole Chiropractic business was
full of shiate? Besides, they're the blacksheep H2 driving members of
the remote family.

--
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www.schnauzers.ws

On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

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MattB said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

That's fine. I'm just giving you my two cents as someone who has Chiros
in the family.

Hopefully not Usenet-reading Chiros!

Ha! Who do you think told me that the whole Chiropractic business was full
of shiate? Besides, they're the blacksheep H2 driving members of the remote
family.

That's kinda sad. You'd hope someone would believe in what they do every day.
I guess maybe your family "believes in" making lots of money, but I could
think of better ways to do that than having to be on my feet all day
manhandling people's bodies.

Maybe your family members just aren't very good at what they do. Or they are
good, but have seen lots of bad chiros in action. Or maybe chiros only help
in certain situations. Don't know, mostly don't care. As I said, seems to
have done much more for me than I'd expected.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

"Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

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MattB said:

Ride-A-Lot wrote:
>
> That's fine. I'm just giving you my two cents as someone who has

Chiros

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> in the family.

Hopefully not Usenet-reading Chiros!

Ha! Who do you think told me that the whole Chiropractic business was

full

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of shiate? Besides, they're the blacksheep H2 driving members of the

remote

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family.

That's kinda sad. You'd hope someone would believe in what they do every

day.

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I guess maybe your family "believes in" making lots of money,

That seems to be the biggest motivator of chiros considering their
incredibly high incidence of insurance fraud.

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but I could
think of better ways to do that than having to be on my feet all day
manhandling people's bodies.

Maybe your family members just aren't very good at what they do. Or they

are

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good, but have seen lots of bad chiros in action. Or maybe chiros only

help

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in certain situations. Don't know, mostly don't care. As I said, seems

to

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have done much more for me than I'd expected.

Every chiro I've met told me that they chose their field because it gave
them the most bang for the time and money spent on training. The ones with
integrity actually tried to fix their patients, the others had no interest
in the patient other than temporarily making the patient feel better so they
would come back for more.

GT

On 2005-02-23, G.T. penned:

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Every chiro I've met told me that they chose their field because it gave
them the most bang for the time and money spent on training. The ones with
integrity actually tried to fix their patients, the others had no interest
in the patient other than temporarily making the patient feel better so they
would come back for more.

Well, I don't think that wanting to make good money is a bad thing by itself.
But making money by providing a service you don't believe works ... ick!

Either my chiro and the entire staff at the office are exceptionally good
liars, or they believe in what they do. I prefer to think the latter,
especially when they've helped me a great deal.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

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The ones with

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integrity actually tried to fix their patients, >
GT

Glad I had someone like this.....

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-23, Ride-A-Lot penned:

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MattB said:

Ride-A-Lot wrote:

>That's fine. I'm just giving you my two cents as someone who has Chiros
>in the family.

Hopefully not Usenet-reading Chiros!

Ha! Who do you think told me that the whole Chiropractic business was full
of shiate? Besides, they're the blacksheep H2 driving members of the remote
family.

That's kinda sad. You'd hope someone would believe in what they do every day.
I guess maybe your family "believes in" making lots of money, but I could
think of better ways to do that than having to be on my feet all day
manhandling people's bodies.

Maybe your family members just aren't very good at what they do. Or they are
good, but have seen lots of bad chiros in action. Or maybe chiros only help
in certain situations. Don't know, mostly don't care. As I said, seems to
have done much more for me than I'd expected.

Like I said, distant family members. They aren't exactly the most liked
members of the family.

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