Quoted post said:Originally Posted by vspa [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]
how about if you fall or crash ?
I've eaten it once, and almost eaten it a couple more times. My feet just kind of came out of the PGs each time. I've never really practiced it, but having watched a buddy of mine get out of clipless during stops, my detach and his detach are very different, where his is a much more deliberate motion and mine is not something I've ever thought about or practiced. I think it's because the clipless resists your twisting motion till it's strong enough to release the binding, while the PGs offer no resistance to twisting your heel outward. Once again, that's both a good thing and a bad thing, since I suppose it's also easier to adopt a toe-in foot position when you get tired, which could be bad on the knees.
Quoted post said:Originally Posted by daveryanwyoming [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]
They worked but once good off road clipless designs came out I'd never go back. The two big differences were that my foot was positioned exactly in the same place every time...
That is a good point Dave. There is variability in how your foot is positioned on the pedal. That can be both a blessing and a curse; I've got a buddy who went Clipless from platforms and had bad foot pain till he figured out that his feet naturally turned out and, with the cleat fighting him, was causing pressure. He shimmed his cleat and fixed it (mostly). I have the same issue with my left foot and never had an issue with the PGs, but shifting to different shoes or even having shoes not tied to the same tightness can change my foot position on the pedal which isn't good. I also get different foot positions between my left and right foot sometimes, which can lead to my left calf cramping since it usually is in a bit too shallow. Definitely a point there for clipless.
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Originally Posted by sitzmark [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]
I only had one ride on a rigid MTB with PG's back in the early 1990's - so really nothing to offer about comparisons. I recall a similar feeling as Dave when foot not really fully inserted with PG - not quite as confident that my foot would stay laterally centered on the cage in rough terrain.
One comment is that the shoe you choose can have a significant impact on your experience between pedal/shoe systems. An extra stiff carbon soled cycling shoe in a clipless pedal is different than an "all terrain" MTB shoe in a clipless pedal. Even more so with a non-cycling specific shoe in a clip/strap. If you have a good LBS around you, you might be able to get a sense for some of the differences on a trainer.
I've thought of that, and have seriously considered getting dedicated riding shoes with a stiffer sole and just not put a cleat on them to use with the PGs, and even started a thread asking about it here. That being said, I'm riding a big honkin' hybrid bike right (and am a big honkin' guy riding it) now so I really have bigger fish to fry when it comes to efficiency, but it is a consideration once I get a road bike.
As far as getting into and out of them (which was sort of mentioned), it appears compared to my buddy riding clipless that I get out of mine faster, but he gets into his faster. I've never quite gotten that toe-flip-the-pedal-then-slide-in thing down without looking, which is a pain at intersections.
