Prediction after TT

rogers has 27 seconds to play with against the other competitors, but i agree that landis and Dave Z could make that up. I think zabriskie might actually get the yellow again since he is only seven seconds down on landis, who is probably his biggest competition for the win. millar should get time back on evans, karpets

zabriskie
landis
rogers
hincapie
millar
evans
salvodelli
karpets
julich

Rogers in yellow.

eurosport guys were saying that Millar could take the top spot after the TT.

he's been taking it easy and staying close to top in stages he cant win...biding his time.

i think he'll go all out for the win in Saturday...

Millar
Zabriskie
Hincapie
Landis
Karpets
Julich
Savoldelli
Gonchar
Evans
Popovych
Leipheimer
Rogers <-- Never ever performs in time trials except the worlds.
Moreau
Valverde
Vandevelde
Martinez

With Millar to win by enough to take yellow (20 seconds over Rogers)

Why is Millar here? He is a doper, it is a proven fact. It is not fair he can return to racing. He could stop to spread propaganda he is clean etc. It is brutal lies, I don't give him a 2nd chance. When they will introduce a rule that once you are cought your carrer is over?

Interesting. So you are in favour of life sentances (or execution?) for any sort of criminal from petty thieves upwards?

Millar doped, he was caught, he has now paid the price (as defined by the UCI) and is therefore fit to race again. If he gets caught a second time he will be out forever. I think that is fair.

Eldrack said:

Interesting. So you are in favour of life sentances (or execution?) for any sort of criminal from petty thieves upwards?

Millar doped, he was caught, he has now paid the price (as defined by the UCI) and is therefore fit to race again. If he gets caught a second time he will be out forever. I think that is fair.

For certain crimes I am in favour of life sentence.
Doping is the hardest of the possible crimes in sports isn't it? I hate those doped comebacks... I don't want "fantastic" victory by a margin of minute to closest rival... None of them deserves second chance...

Millar wants to be used as an example of redemption and proof that you can be a clean Pro. You should hear about what he has to says regarding the time before he was caught and the 6 months after he was caught. He is truly in love with cycling and we shouldn't deny a changed man the chance to do something he is in love with.

guncha said:

Why is Millar here? He is a doper, it is a proven fact. It is not fair he can return to racing. He could stop to spread propaganda he is clean etc. It is brutal lies, I don't give him a 2nd chance. When they will introduce a rule that once you are cought your carrer is over?

millar held his hands up and took the punishment...

everyone deserves a second chance...he is clean now...

he was young and foolish back then and has learned the hard way, now lets concentrate on the topic..

I like Millar but I think it`s unfair that former dopers can participate while plenty of riders from operation Puerto and other operations, who never tested positive, can`t participate.

My after TT predicton:
1. Hincapie
2. Landis
3. Zabriskie
4. Rogers

Virenque said:

I like Millar but I think it`s unfair that former dopers can participate while plenty of riders from operation Puerto and other operations, who never tested positive, can`t participate.

My after TT predicton:
1. Hincapie
2. Landis
3. Zabriskie
4. Rogers

Was it unfair that Richard Virenque was allowed a second chance?

Virenque said:

I like Millar but I think it`s unfair that former dopers can participate while plenty of riders from operation Puerto and other operations, who never tested positive, can`t participate.

Eliminating former dopers would certainly change the face of cycling (Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault, Delgado, Kelly, Pantani, Virenque, etc, etc, etc). Similar to something I read about how the UCI initally opposed the change to 2-year bans in 1998. The article then gave examples of how radically different the palmares of prominent cyclists would have been had there always been 2-year bans.

El Loto said:

Was it unfair that Richard Virenque was allowed a second chance?

In this case, yes. Personally, I would allow riders to participate until proven guilty as well as former dopers.

El Loto said:

Millar wants to be used as an example of redemption and proof that you can be a clean Pro. You should hear about what he has to says regarding the time before he was caught and the 6 months after he was caught. He is truly in love with cycling and we shouldn't deny a changed man the chance to do something he is in love with.

This is PROPAGANDA. He can say whatever he wants but he lied in the beginning of investigation that he never doped. If a doper doped he will continue to dope. I don't believe that someone has changed his methods.
If he will be, let's say, in top10 it will a doper who has achieved that because non-dopers can't stay with dopers.
They best thing he can do is to retire.
If those 58 will also be guilty then can retire as well because I hate doped comebacks.

El Loto said:

Was it unfair that Richard Virenque was allowed a second chance?

Yes!!! He should never race again. I can only guess whether his doctor's name was, let's say, Fuentes or maybe someone other...

Eldrack said:

Millar
Zabriskie
Hincapie
Landis
Karpets
Julich
Savoldelli
Gonchar
Evans
Popovych
Leipheimer
Rogers <-- Never ever performs in time trials except the worlds.
Moreau
Valverde
Vandevelde
Martinez

I'm not sure that putting Valverde on any list is a good idea right now. Care to make a bet that he doesn't even finish the TT? ;p (or start for that matter)

dexjava said:

I'm not sure that putting Valverde on any list is a good idea right now. Care to make a bet that he doesn't even finish the TT? ;p (or start for that matter)

Ah, yes. I kinda just went through the prologue list and juggled around the people who are good at long TT's, completely forgot that Valverde is out. Ahwell.

MountainPro said:

eurosport guys were saying that Millar could take the top spot after the TT. ..i think he'll go all out for the win in Saturday...

He will go all out for the win. He won't get it. I think the prologue showed that he has not achieved the form relative to the field he used to have.

Landis and Zabriskie and Hincapie look to be the favorites. I am hoping for Landis, but any of those three could pull it off.

guncha said:

This is PROPAGANDA. He can say whatever he wants but he lied in the beginning of investigation that he never doped. If a doper doped he will continue to dope. I don't believe that someone has changed his methods.
If he will be, let's say, in top10 it will a doper who has achieved that because non-dopers can't stay with dopers.
They best thing he can do is to retire.
If those 58 will also be guilty then can retire as well because I hate doped comebacks.

If you cannot prove anything then it has no worth. I fully believe people can change, with a pinch of skepticism perhaps, and should be allowed second chances in certain circumstances. The person he hurt the most was himself. He lost wages, sponsorship, became mentally unsound, had an alcohol problem. Like Millar said: "You have to touch the bottom to come back up". If you have no faith in born again cyclists and are so sure that riders are doped then why do you follow the sport?