Priority Arrow Right Of Way

"Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

The bicycle is a vehicle as you can deduce by looking at "no motor vehicles"
and "no vehicles" signs and therefore you have right of way. In theory at
least, if not in might!
--
Simon M.

Jack Ouzzi vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

The cycle has the right of way, the other vehicle, whatever type, should
give way.

Quoted message said:

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

Yes.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules !!!
"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

Jack Ouzzi said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Quoted message said:

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

Yes. From http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk (full text of tHC online), the
Rules for Cyclists start "These rules are in addition to those in the
following sections, which apply to all vehicles (except the motorway
section)."

Where powered vehicles are specifically covered but not cycles, the term
"motor vehicles" is used. For example, Annex 3, Motor Vehicle
documentation and learner driver requirements.

Further note the prohibition sign consisting of a plain white field,
which means "No vehicles except bicycles being pushed".

In practice I'm happy to yield right of way to someone in a motor
vehicle if they'd be held up a lot longer than I will waiting for them
(typical example is a steepish hill on my return from Tescos with parked
cars making it effectively single track but I get right of way from them
being parked on the other side from me, but it would be plain
inconsiderate for me to demand RoW while I spend a couple of minutes
chuntering up with 20 Kg of shopping when the car at the top would be
down in seconds), but I'll make sure I take it if all else is equal and
I think they've get the time to stop!

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

"Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

LEGALLY .. you have right of way. COMMON SENSE says you should take the
option which means you'll still be cycling 30 seconds later.

"Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

This isn't even a challenging question; you're a vehicle, the other guy
should wait. If you assert your road space and make clear that you're doing
so, he really hasn't got any business expecting to go till you've passed.
Whether you choose to do that or not will probably depend on just how wide
the road is.

As often as not, it doesn't matter how wide the road is, the car (or more
often a bus) will come at you anyway.

Jack Ouzzi said:

WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

The 4x4.

I experience the same situation most mornings and evenings. Motor vehicle
drivers, 9 times out of 10, believe they have priority at the "give-way"
pinch points along Weston Parade in Southampton. The situation is not made
any better by the fact that a mixed-use cycle path was intalled at the same
time as the pinch points -- which motorists expect cyclists to use. Not on
your nelly! The council took a safe road and made it more dangerous for
cyclists, but (in theory) safer from speeding motorists; presumably local
youths who used it late evening as a drag strip.

Makes my blood boil.

Colin Davidson said:

As often as not, it doesn't matter how wide the road is, the car (or
more often a bus) will come at you anyway.

Disgusting, isn't it?

Jack Ouzzi said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

You've had enough responses to your questions. I thought I'd share an
amusing road setup with those priority arrows that has the potential to
cause gridlock.

There's a little village somewhere near Warminster called Norton St
Phillips. In 1996, at least, it had a pair of priority pinch points,
with priority on both being *into* the smallish gap 'twixt the
restrictions. It'd only take a busy day and some pigheaded cagers, and
the whole lot could snarl up indefinitely.

--
Mark.
http://tranchant.plus.com/

In article 1100180934.FhmfV61tt/rTq6sNMyy56Q@teranews said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

If "room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways" means "room for
4x4 and cyclist to pass each other safely", does either of them have
to wait?

But otherwise, as other people have said, legally the cyclist has right
of way, in practice you assume the driver will proceed until you see
them stop.

On 11 Nov 2004 15:07:42 +0000 (GMT), [email hidden] (Alan

Braggins) said:

In article 1100180934.FhmfV61tt/rTq6sNMyy56Q@teranews said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

If "room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways" means "room for
4x4 and cyclist to pass each other safely", does either of them have
to wait?

But otherwise, as other people have said, legally the cyclist has right
of way, in practice you assume the driver will proceed until you see
them stop.

Well this 4x4 driver adopted the middle of the road (bridge) position,
that I had already entered, and proceeded with the usual F... You I'm
coming through anyway' attitude, and nearly made a top coat of human
and aluminium on the side of the said bridge. He approched so fast it
just really took me by suprise, and not a lot usually catches me out.

Mind you I do live and cycle in Lincolnshire where rules and signs of
the road, courtesy, signalling and general prudent driving still need
to be learnt by the Fenland Flyers. We are however OK on speed though
!!

Alan Braggins wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

If "room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways" means "room for
4x4 and cyclist to pass each other safely", does either of them have
to wait?

Reasonable but for the fact this requires the cyclist to show trust in
the ability of the 4x4 driver who has just demonstrated that they don't
know the highway code and don't obey road signs. Somehow I never feel
very confident about this.

I try and aim right between their eyes while keeping an escape route open.

Quoted message said:

But otherwise, as other people have said, legally the cyclist has right
of way, in practice you assume the driver will proceed until you see
them stop.

But aiming between their eyes does encourage them to stop.

Peter

Peter Amey said:

Alan Braggins wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

If "room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways" means "room for
4x4 and cyclist to pass each other safely", does either of them have
to wait?

Reasonable but for the fact this requires the cyclist to show trust in
the ability of the 4x4 driver who has just demonstrated that they don't
know the highway code and don't obey road signs. Somehow I never feel
very confident about this.

I try and aim right between their eyes while keeping an escape route open.

Quoted message said:

But otherwise, as other people have said, legally the cyclist has right
of way, in practice you assume the driver will proceed until you see
them stop.

But aiming between their eyes does encourage them to stop.

What, with an Armalite ??

"Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Jack Ouzzi vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

Quoted message said:

The cycle has the right of way, the other vehicle, whatever type, should
give way.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

Quoted message said:

Yes.

Yes but you'll be more likely to see a flying pig than get conceded your
rightful right of way by an 'important' motorist.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht vaguely muttered something like ...

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"Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Jack Ouzzi vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

Quoted message said:

The cycle has the right of way, the other vehicle, whatever type, should
give way.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

Quoted message said:

Yes.

Yes but you'll be more likely to see a flying pig than get conceded your
rightful right of way by an 'important' motorist.

Happens to me all the time around here .. whether I'm on the bike,
motorbike, wifes car or 4x4 ..

I stop when I should, and I make it plain, by road positioning, that others
should too .. if they don't, I wait in the middle of the road until they do.
😉

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules !!!
"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

In article said:

Alan Braggins wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

If "room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways" means "room for
4x4 and cyclist to pass each other safely", does either of them have
to wait?

Reasonable but for the fact this requires the cyclist to show trust in
the ability of the 4x4 driver who has just demonstrated that they don't
know the highway code and don't obey road signs.

_If_ there is room for him to pass a cyclist safely, I don't think
not waiting for the cyclist (and keeping over to his side of the road)
does demonstrate that. I don't think "allowing to pass safely" is a
case of "not giving way to". (That now appears to be irrelevent to the
actual situation faced by the original poster - no surprises there then.)

"Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

"Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Yes but you'll be more likely to see a flying pig than get conceded your
rightful right of way by an 'important' motorist.

Especially in Barnet ;-)

--
Simon M.

Now with added reply goodness...

"Nathaniel Porter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Narrow bridge, room for vehicle and cyclist to pass two ways, but not
two vehicles (cars) signed priority system in place.

Cyclist has large white arrow (priority) 4x4 driver has small red
arrow (give way) WHO LEGALLY has the right to proceed, and WHO LEGALLY
is required to wait (or give way) ?

The motorist must give way to the cyclist in this instance.

If the motorist were to proceed slowly, cautiously, and gave you enough
space to pass safely (which sounds possible from your description), that
could arguably be called giving way - however this would require such a
degree of cooperation that 1) it would be extremely unlikely, given today's
selfish road users and b)it would probably be easier for the motorist to
wait (assuming he was a considerate type - if he wasn't it'd have bombed it
through staright away)

But as others say- the main thing is to be defensive. Right of way is not
something worth dying over.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Is a bicycle a 'vehicle' ??

Yes

Jack Ouzzi said:

Well this 4x4 driver adopted the middle of the road (bridge) position,
that I had already entered, and proceeded with the usual F... You I'm
coming through anyway' attitude, and nearly made a top coat of human
and aluminium on the side of the said bridge. He approched so fast it
just really took me by suprise, and not a lot usually catches me out.

You *really* need an Air Zound (unless you're riding drops, in which
case you may not be able to mount it in a useable position).

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine