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  1. In a similar vein to the Walking Helmets article in the
    BMJ(?) but even more daft^H^H^H^H vital.

    Pursuant to Section 14.4.5, subsection 12.5, paragraph 14c,
    held within the blah blah waffle waffle safety of children
    act waffle, I hereby declare my intent to present to the
    house a number of child safety initiatives which will be
    effective in promoting th welfare of children in the UK.

    1) Children shall be banned from taking physical exercise
    at school since excessive exercise will make the obese
    children have heart attacks.

    2) Children playing or walking near water will be required
    to be wearing life jackets at all times. This includes
    circumstances when children are in a private garden
    which contains a fish pond. Please note also that it
    will apply when taking a bath or a shower (see 3).

    3) Due to the risk of children slipping in the shower, they
    will be required to sit down (this is sometimes known as
    "having a bath"😉, and shall also be wearing shower-
    helmets. Unfortunately they will be unable to wash their
    hair since I intend to ban ventilation holes in the
    helmets due to the risk of scalp scalds (see 4).

    4) Children shall no longer be able to shower in hot water.
    Shower supplies must be cold water only, and it shall be
    illegal to install a water heater in series with the
    water supply (also known as a "power shower"😉.

    5) Children using sharp implementrs such as knives, craft
    blades, scissors, compasses (compi?), pencils and
    fountain pens will be required to wear protective
    gloves. Due to the unfortunate effect of now being
    unable to write by hand, all children will be forced to
    use computers for all alpha-numeric based communication.
    Parents who at home, allow their children to engage in
    alpha-numeric communication without buying them a
    computer will be subject to prosecution.

    5a) It is understood that the banning of knives will have a
    serious impact on children wishing to eat school meals. It
    will therefore be necessary to ban all such foods requiring
    the use of canteen cutlery. Suitable foods will be items
    such as beefburgers. See also (12).

    6) Children will no longer be allowed to climb stairs
    due to the risk of gravitational accident. Parents
    must either relocate to bungalows (government
    ministers affected by this will be entitled to a
    relocation allowance), reorganise their homes so that
    children no longer need to climb stairs, or install a
    stairlift (see 7).

    7) I intend to make it illegal for children to use
    stairlifts (including enclosed elevators) unless they
    are wearing a suitabale helmet.

    8) Children under the age of 16 may not cross the road
    unsupervised. Walking helmets will be compulsary. Roads
    which are of a width greater than 10m, roads which are a
    designated bus route, and all roads which allow cars to
    travel on them will be completely out of bounds for
    child pedestrians. Children wishing to cross such a road
    must do so in the safety of a motor vehicle (this is
    sometimes know as "doing a three-point-turn).

    9) Children wishing to read books must do so for only 10
    minutes a week in order to prevent eye-strain. Books
    will be replaced by the much preferred television, which
    due to the increased distance of viewing, will reduce in
    much lower eye-strain injuries.

    10) Parents who wish to allow their children to play in
    their own gardens must first of all have their
    premises inspected by Child Recreation Analysis
    Personnel. Dangerous devices such as those relying on
    a fulcrum or simple harmonic motion for pleasure will
    be banned. Gravity-challenge frames will be subject to
    a maximum height of 0.5m

    11) All ball games will be banned due to the risk of head
    injury from an air-filled sphere. The preferrable
    computer simulation will be deemed a safer alternative.

    12) Vegetables will be banned since they grow in the ground
    and are obviously dirty.

    Final note: I understand that the above meausres may seem
    over the top. But we have to think of the children. As a
    financial assistance to the above measures, all parents will
    be issued with 2 rolls of cotton wool per child per year.

    Yours sincerely, Eric Martlew.

    --
    Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

  2. OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a
    bike without a helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you
    trying to say?

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They have
    always worn helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal,
    and it has not put them off. And yes, all three have fallen
    off at times and on at least 4 occasions have had serious
    damage to the helmet.

    From: "Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> Subject:
    Private Members Bill Date: 16 May 2004 10:18

    In a similar vein to the Walking Helmets article in the
    BMJ(?) but even more daft^H^H^H^H vital.

    Pursuant to Section 14.4.5, subsection 12.5, paragraph 14c,
    held within the blah blah waffle waffle safety of children
    act waffle, I hereby declare my intent to present to the
    house a number of child safety initiatives which will be
    effective in promoting th welfare of children in the UK.

    1) Children shall be banned from taking physical exercise
    at school since excessive exercise will make the obese
    children have heart attacks.

    2) Children playing or walking near water will be required
    to be wearing life jackets at all times. This includes
    circumstances when children are in a private garden
    which contains a fish pond. Please note also that it
    will apply when taking a bath or a shower (see 3).

    3) Due to the risk of children slipping in the shower, they
    will be required to sit down (this is sometimes known as
    "having a bath"😉, and shall also be wearing shower-
    helmets. Unfortunately they will be unable to wash their
    hair since I intend to ban ventilation holes in the
    helmets due to the risk of scalp scalds (see 4).

    4) Children shall no longer be able to shower in hot water.
    Shower supplies must be cold water only, and it shall be
    illegal to install a water heater in series with the
    water supply (also known as a "power shower"😉.

    5) Children using sharp implementrs such as knives, craft
    blades, scissors, compasses (compi?), pencils and
    fountain pens will be required to wear protective
    gloves. Due to the unfortunate effect of now being
    unable to write by hand, all children will be forced to
    use computers for all alpha-numeric based communication.
    Parents who at home, allow their children to engage in
    alpha-numeric communication without buying them a
    computer will be subject to prosecution.

    5a) It is understood that the banning of knives will have a
    serious impact on children wishing to eat school meals. It
    will therefore be necessary to ban all such foods requiring
    the use of canteen cutlery. Suitable foods will be items
    such as beefburgers. See also (12).

    6) Children will no longer be allowed to climb stairs
    due to the risk of gravitational accident. Parents
    must either relocate to bungalows (government
    ministers affected by this will be entitled to a
    relocation allowance), reorganise their homes so that
    children no longer need to climb stairs, or install a
    stairlift (see 7).

    7) I intend to make it illegal for children to use
    stairlifts (including enclosed elevators) unless they
    are wearing a suitabale helmet.

    8) Children under the age of 16 may not cross the road
    unsupervised. Walking helmets will be compulsary. Roads
    which are of a width greater than 10m, roads which are a
    designated bus route, and all roads which allow cars to
    travel on them will be completely out of bounds for
    child pedestrians. Children wishing to cross such a road
    must do so in the safety of a motor vehicle (this is
    sometimes know as "doing a three-point-turn).

    9) Children wishing to read books must do so for only 10
    minutes a week in order to prevent eye-strain. Books
    will be replaced by the much preferred television, which
    due to the increased distance of viewing, will reduce in
    much lower eye-strain injuries.

    10) Parents who wish to allow their children to play in
    their own gardens must first of all have their
    premises inspected by Child Recreation Analysis
    Personnel. Dangerous devices such as those relying on
    a fulcrum or simple harmonic motion for pleasure will
    be banned. Gravity-challenge frames will be subject to
    a maximum height of 0.5m

    11) All ball games will be banned due to the risk of head
    injury from an air-filled sphere. The preferrable
    computer simulation will be deemed a safer alternative.

    12) Vegetables will be banned since they grow in the ground
    and are obviously dirty.

    Final note: I understand that the above meausres may seem
    over the top. But we have to think of the children. As a
    financial assistance to the above measures, all parents will
    be issued with 2 rolls of cotton wool per child per year.

    Yours sincerely, Eric Martlew.

    --
    Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

  3. On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:33:35 +0100 someone who may be "Peter Taylor"
    <[email hidden]> top-posted this:-

    Quoted message said:

    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a
    bike without a helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you
    trying to say?

    I think the humour of the original posting is easy enough to
    spot. It was a very good posting.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number
    F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK
    government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  4. Peter Taylor said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They
    have always worn helmets. They just see it as perfectly
    normal, and it has not put them off. And yes, all three
    have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    I don't have kids, but I can remember being one. We used to
    play outside on bikes without helmets; between us I can
    think of several accidents which would probably have been
    helmet-damaging or helmet-destroying (e.g ramp on pavement
    with plank and bricks, brother goes over it too fast,
    applies front brake after leaving the ground) but which
    caused no skull or brain damage, and indeed required no
    professional medical attention.

    Well, I say that. He grew up to be a professional chef, but
    seems otherwise unharmed.

    What happened to the world of Swallows and Amazons? "BETTER
    DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WONT DROWN."

    -dan

    --
    "please make sure that the person is your friend before
    you confirm"

  5. Peter Taylor said:


    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a
    bike without a helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you
    trying to say?

    Well, I do. This afternoon I went out with my 9 and 12 year
    olds and covered about 30 miles. Neither wore helmets and it
    may surprise you taht we returned home unscathed - except
    for some very slight sunburn.

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They
    have always worn helmets. They just see it as perfectly
    normal, and it has not put them off. And yes, all three
    have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    If they fall off so much and also hitting their heads then
    perhaps you should be asking why.

    John B
    PS: I think you may find it that Richard's post was a
    humourous one.

  6. Peter Taylor said:

    OK - do you have children?

    Can't speak for the OP but I do. 5 and 7.

    Quoted message said:

    Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Of course.

    Quoted message said:

    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    I think he was making a very good joke with more than a
    grain of truth, unfortunately.

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes.

    Are we talking poncing about on Sustrans routes here or
    real cycling? If it's the former then the biggest danger
    they'll face is cuts & bruising; a helmet will help prevent
    this. If it's real on road cycling, to and from school for
    instance, the biggest danger is getting hit by a car.
    There's not a helmet made that even the manufacturers claim
    will save them then.

    Quoted message said:

    They have always worn helmets. They just see it as
    perfectly normal, and it has not put them off. And yes, all
    three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions
    have had serious damage to the helmet.

    So?

  7. On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:33:35 +0100, "Peter Taylor"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    OK - do you have children?

    Yes

    Quoted message said:

    Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Yes.

    Next?

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Taylor

    (') said:

    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a
    bike without a helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you
    trying to say?

    For the record, I have no children.

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They
    have always worn helmets. They just see it as perfectly
    normal, and it has not put them off.

    What benefit do you believe this offers them? If you think
    it's protecting them from scratches and bruises, fair
    enough, it probably
    is. If you think it offers more, you're deluding yourself
    and misleading your children - and that might, possibly,
    put them at more risk than they otherwise would be
    (although to be fair children tend to believe they're
    immortal anyway, so it probably makes little
    difference).

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon

    [ This .sig intentionally left blank ]

  9. JohnB said:
    Peter Taylor said:


    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a
    bike without a helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you
    trying to say?

    Well, I do. This afternoon I went out with my 9 and 12
    year olds and covered about 30 miles. Neither wore helmets
    and it may surprise you taht we returned home unscathed -
    except for some very slight sunburn.

    Perhaps they should be wearing cotton sun-hats ? At least
    they offer some protection against a risk which is
    reasonably well understood (skin cancers).

    I went out for about 5 hours riding today; the wide brimmed
    floppy sunhat had its first decent ride of the season.

    Quoted message said:

    John B
    PS: I think you may find it that Richard's post was a
    humourous one.

    Yes, I thought it was funny too.

    - Nigel

    --
    NC - Webmaster for 2mm.org.uk2mm.org.uk Replies to
    newsgroup postings to the newsgroup please.

  10. NC [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps they should be wearing cotton sun-hats ? At least
    they offer some protection against a risk which is
    reasonably well understood (skin cancers).

    A very sensible suggestion. On a whim I rode to North
    Berwick today (47 miles all in). In my usual state of being
    stupendously badly organised I neglected to take food or
    money and had only one water bottle which contained energy
    drink. The outward journey was fast (Tailwind as always) and
    as I began the return, I felt the familiar feelings of
    dropping blood sugar level. Cue a rapid swig of my remaining
    drink and a gentle potter back to Edinburgh. The gorgeous
    sunshine has left me with mild reddening of the arms (Not a
    problem, will be gone by morning) and very mild sunstroke.
    The remainder of the evening was spent attempting to
    rehydrate.

    One day I hope to learn how to plan these routes so that I:

    a) Come home with a tailwind
    b) Take enough water
    c) Don't run out of energy

    Despite this it was a good ride, it's nice to be doing
    some distances again rather than sprinting round town
    all the time!

    Jon

  11. On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:33:35 +0100, "Peter Taylor"
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    OK - do you have children?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    I realise son, that the greatest danger to you while on
    a bike is being hit by a dozy or impatient motor
    vehicle driver.

    I realise that helmets won't help in those situations.

    I also realise that rise in helmet use have been associated
    with clealy identifiable /rises/ in head injuries to
    cyclists in London, the USA and Australia.

    If you're going to fall off your bike a helmet will help
    slightly in such cases. But these falls are almost never a
    cause of serious injury anyway, even unhelmetted.

    --
    Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: gawnsoft.co.srgawnsoft.co.sr
    Symbian/Epoc wiki: html.dnsalias.nethtml.dnsalias.net Smalltalk
    links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk)
    html.dnsalias.netsmalltalk

  12. On Sun, 16 May 2004 19:03:03 +0100, Daniel Barlow <[email hidden]>
    wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Taylor said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They
    have always worn helmets. They just see it as perfectly
    normal, and it has not put them off. And yes, all three
    have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    I don't have kids, but I can remember being one. We used to
    play outside on bikes without helmets; between us I can
    think of several accidents which would probably have been
    helmet-damaging or helmet-destroying (e.g ramp on pavement
    with plank and bricks, brother goes over it too fast,
    applies front brake after leaving the ground) but which
    caused no skull or brain damage, and indeed required no
    professional medical attention.

    I was standing upright on a six foot wall at eh age of
    seven and slipped and fell, forehead first onto a
    hardcored surface.

    I didn't even get stitches.

    --
    Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: gawnsoft.co.srgawnsoft.co.sr
    Symbian/Epoc wiki: html.dnsalias.nethtml.dnsalias.net Smalltalk
    links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk)
    html.dnsalias.netsmalltalk

  13. On Sun, 16 May 2004 10:18:46 +0100, Richard Bates
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Sorry, folks, I didn't mean to start a helmet thread... :-(

    --
    Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

  14. NC said:


    JohnB said:
    Peter Taylor said:


    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a
    bike without a helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you
    trying to say?

    Well, I do. This afternoon I went out with my 9 and 12
    year olds and covered about 30 miles. Neither wore
    helmets and it may surprise you taht we returned home
    unscathed - except for some very slight sunburn.

    Perhaps they should be wearing cotton sun-hats ?

    I'm not sure my daughter would have appreciated a sun-hat
    strapped to each forearm ;-)

    John B

  15. Simon Brooke:

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, I have no children.

    No need for paranoia - I don't think there's anyone from the
    CSA on the ng. ;-)

    d.

  16. JohnB:

    Quoted message said:

    If they fall off so much and also hitting their heads then
    perhaps you should be asking why.

    Back in the day, my mates and I fashioned a kind of BMX
    track up in our local woods and we would spend hours on end
    bombing round with reckless abandon. We used to fall off
    occasionally but I don't recall anyone ever suffering
    anything worse than a few cuts and scrapes, and I certainly
    don't recall a single head injury - shins and ankles came in
    for the most damage, then hands and arms.

    From the evidence, it sounds like the OP is letting his kids
    go out on bikes that are not fit to ride, in which case
    shame on him. Either that or his kids are incompetent
    nitwits who ought to be on trikes. Someone buy that man a
    copy of Cyclecraft.

    d.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Taylor said:

    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike
    without a helmet?

    Yes and yes. Next question.

    Quoted message said:

    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at
    least 4 occasions have had serious damage to the helmet.

    Which is odd, because I suspect that most people here
    present rode bikes as children, and for anyone over thirty
    (twenty?) helmets for children simply didn't exist. Were the
    1960s and 1970s a killing field for children on bikes? Has
    there been a marked decrease in child cycle deaths over the
    past decade?

    ian

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gawnsoft said:

    I was standing upright on a six foot wall at eh age of
    seven and slipped and fell, forehead first onto a
    hardcored surface.

    I didn't even get stitches.

    I fell a similar distance headfirst onto sharp rocks when I
    was about ten. I have a very small scar over one eyebrow,
    thanks to the excellent work with butterfly plaster by a
    Spanish doctor.

    ian

  19. Ian G Batten said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Gawnsoft

    Quoted message said:

    I was standing upright on a six foot wall at eh age of
    seven and slipped and fell, forehead first onto a
    hardcored surface.

    I didn't even get stitches.

    I fell a similar distance headfirst onto sharp rocks when
    I was about ten. I have a very small scar over one
    eyebrow, thanks to the excellent work with butterfly
    plaster by a Spanish doctor.

    I fell (or was pushed) from a 3 foot high wall when I was
    about 6, and fell on my bonce. Fractured my skull. I blame
    my parents and Eric Martlew for not making me wear a
    playing helmet.

    --
    Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeith Generalísimo
    Francisco Franco is still dead

  20. Richard Bates said:

    In a similar vein to the Walking Helmets article in the
    BMJ(?) but even more daft^H^H^H^H vital.

    *snip*

    Fx: applause.

    Don't forget the free isolation suits used to protect
    children in the Great Outdoors from such nastiess as grazed
    knees and biting insects.

    Regards,

    -david

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