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  1. Hey runners,

    I posted several months ago about knee pain, and things haven't
    improved. I've had a lot of pain in both knees for about six months.
    It came on quite suddenly and without warning. I stopped running as
    soon as it started, but that failed to reduce the pain. I've seen
    doctors, orthopedists, and physical therapists. I've rested, I've
    iced, I've medicated. I've been checked for Lyme. The best any of
    them can guess is that it's a patella alignment issue. All of the
    material I've read suggests that this kind of pain will fade within a
    few months with the appropriate rest and strengthening exercises, but
    I'm getting nowhere. Ibuprofen doesn't seem to make any difference.

    Six months of suffering is quite enough, but I don't know what else to
    try. Has anyone else out there had problems with runner's knee that
    they couldn't clear up with physical therapy, etc? Any other
    therapies I might try?

  2. "wannaBe" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I posted several months ago about knee pain, and things haven't
    improved. I've had a lot of pain in both knees for about six months.
    It came on quite suddenly and without warning. I stopped running as
    soon as it started, but that failed to reduce the pain. I've seen
    doctors, orthopedists, and physical therapists.

    Can you give more detail on the pain? Is it achiness all over, are there
    places where it hurts or feels better if you press on it, etc?

    Have you seen a sports podiatriast? I had chronic achiness in my knees when
    I started running, which was cured by orthotics. In my case the cause was
    the foot rolling inward, causing the lower leg to twist more than the
    manufacturer's specifications allow. This puts excessive twisting forces on
    the knee. This caused knee pain and achiness.

    To this day, if I'm on my feet a lot just walking around without my
    orthotics, my knees will start to ache.

    -- Dan

  3. Quoted message said:
    Charlie Pendejo said:

    chiropractors

    Doug said:

    What kind of strengthening exercises are you doing or did they
    prescribe?

    Just so you know, the "CP" who blabbed about pinched nerves and chiros
    is the same petulant eediot who's always whining about pinched nerves
    and chiros.

    Me, I've gone to a chiro once, last year, a guy who came recommended
    but turned out to be a money-grubbing charlatan who was chomping at
    the bit to soak me and my insurer (not that I'm too worried about
    them...) for a commitment to a zillion followup sessions before even
    coming to a diagnosis ("nothing seems amiss but maybe the xrays will
    show something"😉.

  4. D Stumpus said:

    "wannaBe" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I posted several months ago about knee pain, and things haven't
    improved. I've had a lot of pain in both knees for about six months.
    It came on quite suddenly and without warning. I stopped running as
    soon as it started, but that failed to reduce the pain. I've seen
    doctors, orthopedists, and physical therapists.

    Can you give more detail on the pain? Is it achiness all over, are there
    places where it hurts or feels better if you press on it, etc?

    Have you seen a sports podiatriast? I had chronic achiness in my knees when
    I started running, which was cured by orthotics. In my case the cause was
    the foot rolling inward, causing the lower leg to twist more than the
    manufacturer's specifications allow. This puts excessive twisting forces on
    the knee. This caused knee pain and achiness.

    To this day, if I'm on my feet a lot just walking around without my
    orthotics, my knees will start to ache.

    -- Dan

    My pain tends to be located on the front of the knee on either side of
    the kneecap. I've tried some over-the-counter orthotics my PT
    recommended, but didn't find them helpful.

  5. "wannaBe" wrote
    | My pain tends to be located on the front of the knee on either side of
    | the kneecap. I've tried some over-the-counter orthotics my PT
    | recommended, but didn't find them helpful.

    Most likely torn or bruised meniscus.
    I had a mild case of the problem last winter, took a while to heal with
    rest, stationary bike and the help of supplements like glucosamine.
    An other runner on this forum had torn/worn out meniscus that needed
    surgery.

  6. Charlie Pendejo said:

    Me, I've gone to a chiro once, last year, a guy who came recommended
    but turned out to be a money-grubbing charlatan who was chomping at
    the bit to soak me and my insurer (not that I'm too worried about
    them...) for a commitment to a zillion followup sessions before even
    coming to a diagnosis ("nothing seems amiss but maybe the xrays will
    show something"😉.

    Of course I also realize that not all chiros are crooks, and I just
    happened to get a bad one. Smart money (i'm a dumbass) would find an
    older chiro whose been practicing forat least 20 years. My back is
    still a wreck, because I'm too goddam stupid to find one, and because
    there was really nothing wrong with me to begin with, or I'd be in bad
    shape by now. So basically I commited fraud by seeking out a
    chirpractor when I didn't need one, then when I went to a fraud to
    commit my fraud and got no relief from my fake problem, I will now
    whine about how chiros are thiefs.

    -CP

  7. Charlie Pendejo said:
    Charlie Pendejo said:

    Me, I've gone to a chiro once, last year, a guy who came recommended
    but turned out to be a money-grubbing charlatan who was chomping at
    the bit to soak me and my insurer (not that I'm too worried about
    them...) for a commitment to a zillion followup sessions before even
    coming to a diagnosis ("nothing seems amiss but maybe the xrays will
    show something"😉.

    Of course I also realize that not all chiros are crooks, and I just
    happened to get a bad one. Smart money (i'm a dumbass) would find an
    older chiro whose been practicing forat least 20 years. My back is
    still a wreck, because I'm too goddam stupid to find one, and because
    there was really nothing wrong with me to begin with, or I'd be in bad
    shape by now. So basically I commited fraud by seeking out a
    chirpractor when I didn't need one, then when I went to a fraud to
    commit my fraud and got no relief from my fake problem, I will now
    whine about how chiros are thiefs.

    -CP

    Sounds like you are the fraud, not chiros.

    RS

  8. Charlie Pendejo said:
    Charlie Pendejo said:

    Me, I've gone to a chiro once, last year, a guy who came recommended
    but turned out to be a money-grubbing charlatan who was chomping at
    the bit to soak me and my insurer (not that I'm too worried about
    them...) for a commitment to a zillion followup sessions before even
    coming to a diagnosis ("nothing seems amiss but maybe the xrays will
    show something"😉.



    You know this is atypical of ignorant people who talk down
    chiropractors.
    First you went to one when you didn't need to, or you would've kept
    seeking treatrment. Next when you got no relief from the non-problem
    you were having, you waqlk around [censored] about how crappy your
    experience was at the chiro.
    Reminds me of the story about a nurses husband who sought relief from
    his back pain at the chiro instead of getting checked out by a GP
    first. When he died of advanced bone cancer 2 months later, his family
    and friends took great pride in telling everyone they could how that
    eviul chiropractor killed their beloved. Of course the cancer had been
    growing in him for years, and no dr anywhere could've saved him, but
    it was all the chiros fault.
    RS

  9. Charlie Pendejo said:

    My back is still a wreck

    And mine is super.

    Let's see... TBR's back (and we won't even go into the rest of 'im - I
    mean, nothing really needs to be pointed out to even the least
    perceptive wreck.runners, right?) is all f'd up, and he swears by
    chiros. I avoid them like the leprous plague they are, and have
    basically never been troubled by my back. Nor taken for a financial
    ride.

    You be the judge!

    Hey, anyone else remember that Cher song "Chiros, Tramps and Thieves"?

  10. He's just your average imbecile who went to a chiro for nothing, and when
    he got no treatment for his non-existant condition, it must be because the
    chiro is a fraud. Certainly it's not because there's nothing wrong with
    him. You can derail these [censored] by asking them "so, what was wrong with
    your back?", and when they reply like Charlene and say "nothing, i'm in
    GREAT shape", then ask them what imaginary treatment they expect to
    receive for their imaginary problem. Worse part is, this [censored] didn't
    even get treated, but still says chiros are useless.

    --
    Ignorint [censored]-off Man

  11. CP is a jerkoff, ignore him.

    --
    Ignorint [censored]-off Man

  12. Strangely, yes i do.
    --
    Ignorint [censored]-off Man

  13. You like [censored], dontcha?
    --
    Ignorint [censored]-off Man

  14. Yes, in my ass.

    --
    Ignorint [censored]-off Man

  15. in rec.running 'Doug Freese said:

    What kind of strengthening exercises are you doing or did they
    prescribe? I hope by now you know that the knee is held in place
    primarily your quadicept muscles. If you quads(there are three)

    There are four. Hence the name quadriceps (quad is Latin for "four"😉.

    Please, please, do some research before you start to tell everybody
    what's what, and how things are, and how they should be. It'll make
    you seem much more credible.

    live! vicariously!

  16. "joe positive" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    in rec.running 'Doug Freese said:

    What kind of strengthening exercises are you doing or did they
    prescribe? I hope by now you know that the knee is held in place
    primarily your quadicept muscles. If you quads(there are three)

    There are four. Hence the name quadriceps (quad is Latin for "four"😉.

    Please, please, do some research before you start to tell everybody
    what's what, and how things are, and how they should be. It'll make
    you seem much more credible.

    You are correct there are four but and I tend to forget about rectus as
    someone one told me that only three tend to guide the knee. The thigh
    muscle (quadriceps) controls knee motion and keeps the patella on track
    in the patello-femoral groove. If the patella is not aligned correctly
    on the femur, the quadriceps muscle is imbalanced which may cause the
    patella to be pulled to one side as it moves along the patello-femoral
    groove. This will eventually cause damage to the cartilage.
    "The Quadriceps are a group of four muscles that sit on the anterior or
    front aspect of the thigh.
    They are the Vastus Medialis, Intermedius and Lateralis and finally the
    Rectus Femoris.
    The Quadriceps attach to the front of the tibia and originate at the top
    of the femur.
    The exception to this rule is the Rectus Femoris which actually crosses
    the hip joint and originates on the pelvis."

    The rectus femoris is not dominant in knee extension when the hip is
    flexed since it is already shortened and thus suffers from active
    insufficiency.In essence: the action of extending a leg from a seated
    position is primarily driven by the vastus lateralis, vastus medialis,
    and vastus intermedius, and less by the rectus femoris.

    So be it three or four, their function is the keep the patella in the
    grove. When they are not in balance there is pain. I stand by the rest,
    straight leg exercise to get them strengthened and balanced and minimal
    movement to the knee until the pain goes away.

    -Doug

  17. On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:42:28 -0400, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "joe positive" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    in rec.running 'Doug Freese said:

    What kind of strengthening exercises are you doing or did they
    prescribe? I hope by now you know that the knee is held in place
    primarily your quadicept muscles. If you quads(there are three)

    There are four. Hence the name quadriceps (quad is Latin for "four"😉.

    Please, please, do some research before you start to tell everybody
    what's what, and how things are, and how they should be. It'll make
    you seem much more credible.

    You are correct there are four but and I tend to forget about rectus as
    someone one told me that only three tend to guide the knee. The thigh
    muscle (quadriceps) controls knee motion and keeps the patella on track
    in the patello-femoral groove. If the patella is not aligned correctly
    on the femur, the quadriceps muscle is imbalanced which may cause the
    patella to be pulled to one side as it moves along the patello-femoral
    groove. This will eventually cause damage to the cartilage.
    "The Quadriceps are a group of four muscles that sit on the anterior or
    front aspect of the thigh.
    They are the Vastus Medialis, Intermedius and Lateralis and finally the
    Rectus Femoris.
    The Quadriceps attach to the front of the tibia and originate at the top
    of the femur.
    The exception to this rule is the Rectus Femoris which actually crosses
    the hip joint and originates on the pelvis."

    The rectus femoris is not dominant in knee extension when the hip is
    flexed since it is already shortened and thus suffers from active
    insufficiency.In essence: the action of extending a leg from a seated
    position is primarily driven by the vastus lateralis, vastus medialis,
    and vastus intermedius, and less by the rectus femoris.

    So be it three or four, their function is the keep the patella in the
    grove. When they are not in balance there is pain. I stand by the rest,
    straight leg exercise to get them strengthened and balanced and minimal
    movement to the knee until the pain goes away.

    -Doug

  18. wannaBe said:

    Hey runners,

    I posted several months ago about knee pain, and things haven't
    improved.

    Take a look at Healing Back Pain, by Dr. John Sarno.

  19. wannaBe said:

    Hey runners,

    I posted several months ago about knee pain, and things haven't
    improved.

    Take a look at Healing Back Pain, by Dr. John Sarno.

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