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  1. Hi,
    I'm just starting to unicycle. I'm also doing a product design
    engineering project at uni. The focus of my study is protective
    headgear for extreme sports. Therefore, since I have an interest in
    unicycling I have decided to investigate protective headgear within the
    sport.
    Does anyone out there wear a helmet or anything to protect their head?
    Are there specifically designed helmets for unicycling?
    Also could you suggest the areas of the head which are specifically at
    risk when unicycling.

    What sorts of activity are most popular on unicycles? Off-road? Hockey?
    Stunts? Also which is the most dangerous?

    Any suggestions would be very helpful.
    Thanks in advance,

    Euan😕 🙂

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  2. i always wear a helmet. Every time i ride.
    I don't believe there is a helmet specifically made for unicycling.
    Most of us just use bike helmets or skate helmets of some kind.

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  3. 'Here' (http://tinyurl.com/82gxb), 'here' (http://tinyurl.com/bk6hf) and
    'here' (http://tinyurl.com/9rrpd) are just three threads about unicycle
    helmets.

    Hit the 'SEARCH' (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/search.php) with
    terms like ''helmets'
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/search.php?searchid=17482)',
    ''skate-helmets''
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/search.php?searchid=17482),
    _'b*ke-helmets'_ and ''protective gear''
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/search.php?searchid=17484) and you'll
    come up with enough reading for a month of Sundays.

    A lot of the discussion centers around 'should you/shouldn't you' but
    some of it does touch on the technical aspects.
    Between that suggested reading and the discussion that's bound to be in
    this thread, you're likely to get more than enough info.

    I'm not sure if there's a KH UniHelmet in the pipeline, maybe you can
    ask?

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  4. Some additional thoughts on that.
    though I use a skate helmet all the time I was wondering if a kayaking
    helmet will do the job for muni?
    (there seems to be kayak guys around this forum);
    why this?
    the helmets I have seen such 'as that one (the red one)'
    (http://tinyurl.com/ajscx) are used for sports such as beach sailing -a
    fairly dangerous sport-
    pros: good protection , good envelope, + eyeshade (not shown on the
    picture).
    cons: wondering how it fits to your skull (when you are sweating like
    mad)
    any advice?

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  5. I think there should be thin, light weight helmets for trials and
    street, because you aren't ever going faster than running speed, and
    crashes aren't normally bad at all

    As for general muni, skate and bike helmets are fine

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  6. Let's not get into the should you/shouldn't you. That way dissent lies.
    God told me so.

    I think most active unicyclists wear a helmet some of the time. Many
    wear one all of the time. Some perfectly good riders make the choice
    not to.

    As this is such a minority sport, there is no such thing yet as a
    special unicycling helmet.

    A bicycle helmet is often designed for aerodynamics and style. Most
    unicyclists have little need for the aerodynamics, and unicycling is
    stylish enough as it is! A bicycle helmet will protect against most
    but not all normal riding impacts. It is lightish and fairly
    comfortable. There is an argument that a road bike helmet won't
    protect you well if you fall backwards - this is not a typical
    direction of fall for a road bicyclist.

    A BMX or downhill helmet is designed for accidents involving falling
    and rolling, often on an uneven surface in unpredictable directions.
    Generally, they look less well ventilated than road cycle helmets.

    A full face helmet gives greater all round protection (did I mention
    the 7 stitches in my chin🙄 ) but is hot, uncomfortable, and
    restricts your field of view.

    A kayak helmet gives good all round protection, and is designed for
    multiple knocks and bumps. They usually have a deformabe polythene
    shell. Theoretically, a bicycle helmet is "use once and discard".
    Kayak helmets are designed to let water out, so they are reasonably
    well ventilated. The straps can be uncomfortable. They can look a bit
    dorky.

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  7. No, there are no unicycle-specific helmets being manufactured (same goes
    for shoes, pedals, and many other parts).

    But to get into specifics, one must first break down the various types
    of riding to be done. There's a huge difference between Trials or
    riding on broken rocks and hockey, or Freestyle, or road riding.

    So there are two main kinds of helmets people use, bike and skate.
    Skate is the more robust, offering greater coverage and more impacts,
    but at the cost of greater weight and more heat inside. Bike helmets
    are much more comfortable but offer less protection and are often
    compromised after one good blow.

    If the project is to design a unicycle-specific helmet, you will also
    have to first determine to what level of riding it should protect. Why
    doesn't everyone just wear a full-face motorcycle helmet? For obvious
    reasons of comfort, weight, visibility, etc. So a successful helmet
    design has to be as unobtrusive, lightweight and good-looking as
    possible. Those may be marketing concerns, but that's an important part
    of any useable product design.

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  8. I prefer a skate board type of helmet because it (I think) provides
    better protection than a bicycle helmet. However, my helmet is not
    comfortable. I wish I could find a skate board type of helmet with
    better ventilation (at a reasonable price). They are very hot in the
    summer time.

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  9. Mikefule said:

    There is an argument that a road bike helmet won't protect you well if
    you fall backwards - this is not a typical direction of fall for a road
    bicyclist.

    I "tested" my helmet with a hard impact to the back of the head this
    morning. On the way to work (on the road bike) I hit a patch of ice
    and went down VERY suddenly and somehow the back of my head hit the
    road HARD. The helmet has cracked, like they are designed to do, but I
    got away with a sore neck, some nasty bruises and feeling a bit shakey.
    I walked home (I'd only made it 1/4 mile down the road :rolleyes🙂 and
    drove the car to work. I'm sure if I'd not been wearing the helmet I
    would have been knocked out. So it seems road helmets do provide quite
    good protection to the back of the head. I'll be having to buy a new
    helmet now, but I've had it a few years so it's not really that much of
    an expense over that time. I didn't used to wear a helmet for road
    riding until I moved here, where there is more chance of ice and wet
    leaves, but I'm glad I was wearing it this morning - that was just the
    sort of accident that a bike helmet is good at (relatively low speed
    sudden fall onto flat ground, not involving other vehicles).

    I use(d) the same helmet for muni and mountain biking, but I reckon
    there would be more chance of injury in a fall onto uneven rocks. A
    pointy rock could easily hit me on the back of the skull below the
    helmet or in the face. But the alternative would be to wear a fuller
    helmet like a downhill or skate-type helmet, which would get a bit too
    hot (I don't really like wearing the road helmet in the summer, but
    I've got used to it).

    Rob

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  10. rob.northcott said:


    The helmet has cracked, like they are designed to do,

    They are supposed to crush, not crack. Polystyrene cracking is a
    relatively low energy failure mode - it should crush progressively.

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  11. Cheers guys. This info, and any more that may come, will be VERY useful
    for me during this project.

    Thanks again,

    Euan

    PS Do people prefer a larger coverage or more ventilation? Or both?
    Also I plan to include a hard, puncture proof, exterior shell in my
    design. Any ideas what I should use to make this? Would this detract
    from the ventilation side? I would think so..??!😕

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  12. I always wear my helmet. Whether it's fooling around in the back yard,
    or a trail ride...always.

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  13. A majority or riders wear helmets nearly always.

    unless I'm just riding down the street to get the mail or around the
    block for fun I ALWAYS wear a helmet.

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  14. Bike helmets often have aerodynamic considerations in their design.
    For unicycling with its lower speed, that isn't needed. But then
    again, it just looks nice and 'speedy'.

    Ventilation is important, especially with our lower speeds.

    Sometimes people strap things to their helmet:
    - A bright light for night riding is most common.
    - A video camera is sometimes done.
    - I often strap my GPS receiver on top of my helmet (for better
    reception), but I haven't heard of anyone else doing that.
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  15. Klaas Bil said:

    - I often strap my GPS receiver on top of my helmet

    So you -really- know where your head is at?

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  16. First off I wear my helmet sometimes, if I'm doing trials I usually put
    it on and 80% of the time I dont really mind it.

    Normally I dont wear my helmet if I know I'm not doing anything that
    would cause me to fall on my head normally.

    I have 2 lids, one for street that is a skate lid, the other is a giro
    e2 mtb lid. Both have their advantages the mtb lid is really light and
    cool with massive vents, the Skate lid covers my whole head and I can
    throw it around with out worry.

    I feel that almost all skate lids are hot so you just have to put up
    with that if you are going to use one. I personally really like the
    design on the Capix sportcap, I think Jagur still sports it.

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  17. rob.northcott said:

    I "tested" my helmet with a hard impact to the back of the head this
    morning. On the way to work (on the road bike) I hit a patch of ice
    and went down VERY suddenly and somehow the back of my head hit the
    road HARD.

    Wow, Rob, your helmet must have saved your life...😉

    Hope you're OK. Must be the complexity of that extra wheel that threw
    you.😄

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  18. Mikefule said:

    Wow, Rob, your helmet must have saved your life...😉

    Hope you're OK. Must be the complexity of that extra wheel that threw
    you.😄

    Thanks Mike. I seem to be fine apart from a few bruises and a stiff
    neck, which is much better now than it was yesterday evening. Looks
    like I got off lightly - could have been much nastier. I used to be
    pretty anti-helmet, but started wearing one for mountain biking a few
    years ago. Then I started wearing it on the road in the winter in case
    of just that sort of accident. I've got so used to it now that I
    usually wear it in the summer as well even on the road. I still reckon
    that a bike helmet isn't really much use in a lot of cycling accidents,
    but I was certainly glad of it yesterday - I would have had a very
    nasty whack to the back of the head if I hadn't been wearing the
    helmet; I don't think I would have walked home and driven the car to
    work ten minutes later. I think I would have been pretty unlucky to
    have been killed, but a cracked skull, concussion or something equally
    nasty could definitely have happened.
    Anyway, I'm fine. Thanks for the concern 🙂
    What's quite funny in hindsight is I spent Friday muniing across the
    moor in the ice and snow perfectly safely, then fall off my bike 1/4
    mile from home on the way to work :o

    Rob

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  19. 80% off topic

    rob.northcott said:

    I'll be having to buy a new helmet now, but I've had it a few years so
    it's not really that much of an expense over that time.

    Even if you had to change it every other day, it would always be
    cheaper than fixing your skull 😉
    You guys convinced me, I'll be wearing my helmet from now on for
    trials.

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