punchbag Vs weights

Andrzej Rosa said:

Dnia 2005-04-17 JMW napisa³(a):

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Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-04-17, JMW penned:
> "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>Has mfw really decended to this type of training advice? Come on
>>guys, where is the quality training advice? Why don't more people
>>challenge stuff like this?
>
> Because I figured you would. I already explained to her the anatomy
> of spinal flexors and extensors, and the proper exercises for
> developing them.

Does that help the OP learn how to punch without bending his wrists?

I guess it doesn't help any more than telling him to use "good form,"
which might prevent a torsion injury of the wrist joint but won't do
[censored] for the direct shock to his carpals and metacarpals. Only a
good, tight hand wrap, padded with decent bag gloves, will do that...

Or punching with a base of a palm. Quite common practice among bare
knuckles fighters.

Ah, but that changes the parameters.

Yes, palm strikes are good for hard surfaces, like the skull, but
their usefulness is limited. From above, one can use the "lion claw"
(not the same as a "tiger claw"😉. From below, a rising palm strike to
the chin or nose works. Neither of these is particularly easy to
execute, and applications are limited. As much as I like palm strikes
for limiting hand trauma, they aren't nearly as practicable as a fist.
--

JMW
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Dnia 2005-04-20 JMW napisa³(a):

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Andrzej Rosa said:

Dnia 2005-04-17 JMW napisa³(a):

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"Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>On 2005-04-17, JMW penned:
>>
>> Because I figured you would. I already explained to her the anatomy
>> of spinal flexors and extensors, and the proper exercises for
>> developing them.
>
>Does that help the OP learn how to punch without bending his wrists?

I guess it doesn't help any more than telling him to use "good form,"
which might prevent a torsion injury of the wrist joint but won't do
[censored] for the direct shock to his carpals and metacarpals. Only a
good, tight hand wrap, padded with decent bag gloves, will do that...

Or punching with a base of a palm. Quite common practice among bare
knuckles fighters.

Ah, but that changes the parameters.

Yes, palm strikes are good for hard surfaces, like the skull, but
their usefulness is limited. From above, one can use the "lion claw"
(not the same as a "tiger claw"😉.

I'm not familiar with this names, but from above I would use something
like a hammer punch. With a fist or with a side or flat of a palm. It
worked the only time I used it in real fight. I hammered the guy down.

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From below, a rising palm strike to
the chin or nose works. Neither of these is particularly easy to
execute, and applications are limited. As much as I like palm strikes
for limiting hand trauma, they aren't nearly as practicable as a fist.

Fingers do not have to necessarily point upwards. They can point in any
direction form up to down. This increases usefulness of palm strikes.

One more thing - the striking surface is not exactly a base of a palm,
but rather this hard bone which is close to the outside border of a base
of a palm. IMHO it is easier to think about striking with this bone and
not with whole flat of a palm.

Try it this way. IMHO this makes quite a difference in a way one
punches with a flat of a palm.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
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It will give you the desperate need to urinate after you put your
full leathers on and then jam your zippers shut.

Andrzej Rosa said:

Quoted message said:

From below, a rising palm strike to
the chin or nose works. Neither of these is particularly easy to
execute, and applications are limited. As much as I like palm

strikes

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for limiting hand trauma, they aren't nearly as practicable as a

fist.

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Fingers do not have to necessarily point upwards. They can point in

any

Quoted message said:

direction form up to down. This increases usefulness of palm

strikes.

Quoted message said:

One more thing - the striking surface is not exactly a base of a

palm,

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but rather this hard bone which is close to the outside border of a

base

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of a palm. IMHO it is easier to think about striking with this bone

and

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not with whole flat of a palm.

Try it this way. IMHO this makes quite a difference in a way one
punches with a flat of a palm.

I am familiar with that part of my palm, having penetrated a stack of
four pine boards with it. My argument regarding applicability and ease
of execution of such a strike remain unchanged.