Putting kitchen sink in island

kristen said:

My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the next year (I hope!). Right now
we have a galley kitchen. We plan on tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will
open up the kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure og the
dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We would also like to add an island.
We could not have cabinets on the wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...

Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on the end of the shorter wall
and have a stove in the middle of the longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the
island. We could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the standard
mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much space you should allow between
countertops (like from the shorter wall to the island).

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how did that setup work out
for you?

Thanks! Kristen

The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Bob

kristen said:

My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the next year (I hope!). Right now
we have a galley kitchen. We plan on tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will
open up the kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure og the
dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We would also like to add an island.
We could not have cabinets on the wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...

Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on the end of the shorter wall
and have a stove in the middle of the longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the
island. We could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the standard
mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much space you should allow between
countertops (like from the shorter wall to the island).

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how did that setup work out
for you?

Thanks! Kristen

We have an island with a kitchen sink and we love it. It's important to have adequate counterspace
on either side of your sink though. If you only have a 5' wide island and install a sink there, it
won't give you very much counterspace unless you install a very small sink. Most kitchen electrical
codes will require that you have outlets on your island. Also, you'll need to address the location
of your garbage disposer switch. We installed electrical outlets on either side of the sink cabinet
panel. The installed outlets took roughly 6-inches on either side of the sink cabinet so we
installed two slim cabinet doors beneath each outlet. On one side, we've used the narrow space for
storing cutting boards (on end). The other side has a pull out rack to hang wet dishtowels. For our
garbage disposer, we installed an "air switch" on the granite countertop because the standard toggle
switch was not allowed. The switch is designed to be used near water (i.e., for hot tubs etc...). It
installs flush with the countertop. Standard cabinet depth is 24-inches however with an island, you
can make any depth you want. Good luck with your kitchen design. Mickey

We did a similar thing a number of years ago. We had a kitchen with a wall to a small entry way to
our deck that had sliding glass doors. Had a separate dining room but usually ate in the kitchen
When the wall was removed we put the sink in the island and it's so nice not to have to face a wall.
In the kitchen we did in this house, we put the stove top in the island because the sink faces a
window which works well too.

The other thing we did with our latest kitchen was instead of cupboards on the bottom I have 4 huge
pot drawers and 8 small top drawers. I still have normal cupboard under the sink and stove, but
under the wall oven I have 2 more big pot drawers. They work great because I can't get into lower
cupboards because of my back.

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Quoted message said:

My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the next year (I hope!). Right now
we have a galley kitchen. We plan on tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will
open up the kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure og the
dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We would also like to add an island.
We could not have cabinets on the wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...

Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on the end of the shorter wall
and have a stove in the middle of the longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the
island. We could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the standard
mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much space you should allow between
countertops (like from the shorter wall to the island).

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how did that setup work out
for you?

Thanks! Kristen

Quoted message said:

kwright

My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen. We could >probably

have a 5 foot island I think

Quoted message said:

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how did that setup work
out for you?

Don't sinks generally work by supplying water and drain it away... duh

Most major Kitchen & Bath emporiums will send a designer out to your house for a estimate
and consult for free, or for a nominal fee which they'll almost always apply towards the
cost of the job.

Personally I think a 5' kitchen island is way too small for a sink of useful proportion... a 24"
sink (which is a really skimpy size) will afford less than eighteen usable inches per side. I
wouldn't consider a sink of less than 30", nor for accomodating a sink a kitchen island of less than
8' long... and 4' deep. If you're considering one of those teensy bar sinks they're less than a
useless adition in a kitchen... just something to constantly wipe down, take up precious acreage on
your island, and award you a fancy plumbing bill to install... it will rarely get used. Unless you
will have a kitchen large enough to accomodate a legal sized island (capable of supporting a tree,
two bushes, and a hut) I advise investing your coconut money into the mainland.

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kristen said:

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how did that setup work out
for you?

The real trick is venting the drain properly.

No problem if there's a basement/crawlspace... with no basement/crawlspace there's a big problem
with a wasteline, supply lines... then venting is the least of it.

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kristen said:

My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the next year (I hope!). Right
now we have a galley kitchen. We plan on tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that
will open up the kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure og the
dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We would also like to add an island.
We could not have cabinets on the wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...

Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on the end of the shorter
wall and have a stove in the middle of the longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in
the island. We could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the standard
mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much space you should allow between
countertops (like from the shorter wall to the island).

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how did that setup work out
for you?

Thanks! Kristen

The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Bob

Here's a good place to go ask your questions:
ths.gardenweb.comkitchbathOpen ↗

I don't have an island in my kitchen but have been in kitchens where there are islands w/ sinks. I
will tell you this...if you're thinking that you'll put some stools across the island from the sink
for people to put breakfast, or sit and chat with you while you work....be careful. If your island
is flat, and if it's not wide enough, whoever is sitting on the stools may get sprayed with water,
etc. from the sink (human backsplash). This happens at my sister-in-law's house a lot, and at a
friend's house who has a similar setup. Anything they put on the counter near the sink is at risk,
too.....e.g. food for a party, etc. So if you're going to have a sink in your island, remember that.

Another friend has a bi-level island....the sink is several inches lower than the breakfast bar
part, so there's a backsplash. The breakfast bar is deep enough that I didn't get splashed while
eating there (needed a tall stool, though).

Chris

someone said:

We never had a problem with ours.

Then your plumber did a good job.

It is not a problem for the owner using it, it is a problem for the plumber installing it. And
problems of plumbers can get costly. Speedy was right to say have a plumber involved in planning so
that it can ECONOMICALLY be done right.

Just because yours works right (as it is supposed to) doesn't mean that therefore the problem does
not exist. Your ignorance may be bliss, but only because someone more knowledgeable thought it
through. Nobody is saying it can't be done, it just takes extra effort.

-v.

Chris,

Thanks for the tip. We are not planning on putting stools on the opposite side of the island because
the kitchen is too narrow for it I think. The basement door would be right behind the island and
that would interfere with the stools. But thanks for that tip!

Kristen

Quoted message said:

The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Bob

Why is draining a sink in an island any different than when you put the sink up against a wall? I
have no idea.

Thanks!

kristen said:

Quoted message said:

The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Bob

Why is draining a sink in an island any different than when you put the sink up against a wall? I
have no idea.

Thanks!

It's different because there (probably) cannot be a vent pipe dropping down out of the ceiling to
the island. <g> Here is what is required in some parts of this land of ours:
codecheck.compg13 14plumbing.htmlOpen ↗ Scroll down to Fig. P5.

There is also the question of where the drain pipe will run in the floor space under the island.
Do the joists run the "right" way or will it have to hang below the basement ceiling? No basement?
Ooops! Many, many things to consider; that's why it's vital to have the contractor's input from
the start. Jim

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Quoted message said:

We have an island with a kitchen sink and we love it. It's important to have adequate counterspace
on either side of your sink though. If you only have a 5' wide island and install a sink there, it
won't give you very much counterspace unless you install a very small sink. Most kitchen
electrical codes will require that you have outlets on your island. Also, you'll need to address
the location of your garbage disposer switch. We installed electrical outlets on either side of
the sink cabinet panel. The installed outlets took roughly 6-inches on either side of the sink
cabinet so we installed two slim cabinet doors beneath each outlet. On one side, we've used the
narrow space for storing cutting boards (on end). The other side has a pull out rack to hang wet
dishtowels. For our garbage disposer, we installed an "air switch" on the granite countertop
because the standard toggle switch was not allowed. The switch is designed to be used near water
(i.e., for hot tubs etc...). It installs flush with the countertop. Standard cabinet depth is 24-
inches however with an island, you can make any depth you want. Good luck with your kitchen
design. Mickey

Outlets on the front or sides of cabinets are a potential hazard because appliances can be pulled
off the counter by the cords. This is a particular danger with children in the house. It is the
reason countertop appliances come with such annoyingly short cords: so there's no way the cord can
dangle over the edge of the counter.

So, such placement is discouraged by most building codes and by many inspectors, though as I
understand it interpretation and enforcement vary by locale.

Countertop "monuments" are preferred, though designers tend to pout about them. Of course if the
island has a backsplash the outlets should go into it.

Chip C Toronto

zxcvbob said:

The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Do a search on "bow vent". We did it when we renovated a 1908 house, then repeated the design in our
new place. Works fine. A bit contorted, but not hard to do, PVC's easy to work with.

We really like the sink on the island because prep work -- near the sink -- allows us to chat with
our friends on the other side of the island.

I hate cooktops on the island: downdraft venting doesn't work, suspended hoods block views, and --
best of all -- you can splatter your guests with burning fat! (yes, we use butter and oil :-)

Quoted message said:

It's different because there (probably) cannot be a vent pipe dropping down out of the ceiling
to the island. <g> Here is what is required in some parts of this land of ours:
codecheck.compg13 14plumbing.htmlOpen ↗ Scroll down to Fig. P5.

There is also the question of where the drain pipe will run in the floor space under the island.
Do the joists run the "right" way or will it have to hang below the basement ceiling? No
basement? Ooops! Many, many things to consider; that's why it's vital to have the contractor's
input from the start. Jim

Jim,

thanks. I sort of see what your getting at. We do have a basement and the joists run perpedicular
to where the island would be. So that seems like it would be the "right" way. I mentioned this to
my husband so he's aware of the different problems with putting the sink in the island. Thanks for
the input!

Kristen