Question for Will. "Fat Fasts"

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::
:: <snipped>
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::::: So is eating just fat encourages the body to burn more body fat,
::::: but how?
::::: Why does it work better than a total fast?
:::
::: I would not say 'eating fat encourages the body to burn more
::: fat'......but eating mostly fat (like on a FF) means your fuel
::: systems will need to rely more heavily (almost exclusively) on the
::: fat burning pathways....rather than carb burning pathways...once
::: you get shifted over, and you undereat, your body is primed for
::: using fat as fuel. So it attacks bodyfat. This works really well
::: for the IR, though, because those carbs really can screw you up....
::
:: That's kinda what I thought, but was curious about the metabolic
:: mechanisms if you know what I mean, or does anyone really know?
:: I HAVE tried to do some searches but I might not be asking Google
:: the
:: right questions.
::

I don't think anyone other than Atkins has ever recommended the FF. I have
not heard of any research finding on it. Most would not take it seriously,
I don't think. It is rather extreme, if you ask me. But probably no more so
than a PSMF.

:::
::: At least, that's my understanding...go ask over at ASDLC.
::
:: ??? ASDLC ???

Sorry. alt.support.diet.low-carb.

::
:::
::: Oh...I still don't believe the FF works better than straight
::: fasting...even though I'm not disputing your experience...I'm just
::: suggesting it's hard to make conclusive statements from the
::: experiences of one person....
::
:: I won't argue with that... ;-)
::
:: I'm wondering if anyone else has ever fooled with it?

Some over on ASDLC have.

::
:: One major difference I noted between the two is that MOST of the
:: weight
:: lost from a total fast comes back. This did not happen with a fat
:: fast.
:: I imagine that a good part of that was intestinal weight.

?? If you really lose bodyfat, then it won't come back unless you overeat.
I'd never do a total fast for 7 days, though. But I could do 1500 kcals of
LC for 7 days. I think it would work just as well as a FF for that length,
adjusting for calories.

::
:: But again, I'm only one person.
::
:: I doubt that you'd get many volunteers for starvation studies. <G>

If you pay me enough, I might try for 36 hours 🙂

Roger Zoul said:

I don't think anyone other than Atkins has ever recommended the FF.
I have not heard of any research finding on it. Most would not take
it seriously, I don't think. It is rather extreme, if you ask me.
But probably no more so than a PSMF.

Hypocaloric, high-protein diets are nothing new in the world of crash
dieting. Google "stillman diet." During my teens, back in the early
1970s, I lost quite a bit of fat in a short period of time by using
that method.

Kneller's Fat Fast applied a higher percentage of fat than contemplated
by the Stillman Diet, although a higher fat content does tend to sneak
in when consuming nothing but high-protein foods. From my
understanding of it, McDonald's Protein-Sparing Modified Fast adds some
vegetables with only a minor contribution of digestible carbohydrates;
the additional fiber is a good idea, and the insulinogenic response is
likely to be minimal.