Question re Calcium

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Subject: Question re Calcium
From: "Karen Lynn" [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/04 9:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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My question is about calcium and the term 'chelate'. My doc
says I need to take calcium to prevent osteoporosis.

You do need calcium, but it will not prevent osteoporosis,
and your doc has no data to refute my statement.

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He says I need 1200mg per day

Nada.

Ask him or her about magnesium and phosphorus, which are
also needed to build and maintain bones.

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1200mg per day in a vitamin called "Hi Potency Multi''
that contains, it says on the label, Calcium (HVP
Chelate) 125mg.

Well, dividing 1200 by 125, you would need at least 10 of
the pills daily. At 10% absorption, you would need to
swallow 100 of the pills daily to meet your needs.

Is something wrong here????

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How can I translate this to determine if I'm getting the
correct amount?

You are being conned.

DrC PhD

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium
From: [email hidden] (DRCEEPHD)
Date: 5/29/2004 6:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Ask him or her about magnesium and phosphorus, which are
also needed to build and maintain bones.

women over about age 30 do NOT build bones...

calcium..magnesium and vit D ARE needed to prevent
osteoporosis.....

and 1200 mgm of elemental calcium is about right..

don't pay attention to not a doc CEE....

calcium carbonate is the cheapest form....but do
include Vit D

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Well, dividing 1200 by 125, you would need at least 10 of
the pills daily. At 10% absorption, you would ne

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need to swallow 100 of the pills daily to meet your needs.

not true...the 1200 mgm takes into account the absorption..

hawki.....

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calcium carbonate is the cheapest form

Tums?

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium From: [email hidden]
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Ask him or her about magnesium and phosphorus, which are
also needed to

build

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and maintain bones.

women over about age 30 do NOT build bones...

calcium..magnesium and vit D ARE needed to prevent
osteoporosis.....

and 1200 mgm of elemental calcium is about right..

don't pay attention to not a doc CEE....

calcium carbonate is the cheapest form....but do
include Vit D

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Well, dividing 1200 by 125, you would need at least 10 of
the pills

daily.

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At 10% absorption, you would ne

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need to swallow 100 of the pills daily to meet your
needs.

not true...the 1200 mgm takes into account the
absorption..

hawki.....

Pehaps magnesium supplementation would allow these buffoons
to utilize some of their already overloaded calcium intake.

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium From: "Janna"
[email hidden] Date: 5/30/04 12:30 AM
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calcium carbonate is the cheapest form

Tums?

Limestone, CaCO3, is very cheap, one could say "dirt
cheap." Perhaps we

should

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walk around chewing on a piece of limestone all day to get
our Calcium

like a

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cow chewing its cud.

DrC PhD

Hi Have you got any information on the Somatoscope or the
Rife scope (diagrams/schematics/links?) The net sucks - it's
filled with articles how great this mysterious cure was, and
no hard design data. I'm interested in exploring this.. Anth

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I think you could do a simple experiment on this - basically
shred up some diseases tissue, grow it in asparagus medium
then filter through a fine porcelain filter. You could then
transfer some of this filtrate onto a sterile agar plate and
incubate and view the culture under a microscope (if any
culture formed) If you get consistently get visible bacteria
then you have ample proof of pleomorphic organisms. Of
course you would have to do controls and such to minimise
error. I think this is pretty much what Antoine Bechamp did.
This would be cheap enough to do - cheap microscope few
petri's Bunsen burner agar and filter and other misc
equipment (I got a cheap microscope on eBay) Anth

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium From: "Anth"
llsa_is_a_warthog@acupuncture_for_idiots.com Date:
5/30/04 10:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: <RqSdndW8bsAlBSfdRVn-
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Hi Have you got any information on the Somatoscope or the
Rife scope (diagrams/schematics/links?) The net sucks -
it's filled with articles how great this mysterious cure
was, and no hard design data. I'm interested in exploring
this.. Anth

Sorry Anth, I cannot help you with the mechanics of these
microscopes.

What I am hopeful of doing, is to repeat the work of
Bechamp to show that

his

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work is repeatable and go on from there to Enderlein,
Rife, and Nassenes.

Good luck.

DrC PhD

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium From: "Janna"
[email hidden] Date: 5/30/04 12:30 AM
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calcium carbonate is the cheapest form

Tums?

Limestone, CaCO3, is very cheap, one could say "dirt
cheap." Perhaps we should walk around chewing on a piece
of limestone all day to get our Calcium like a cow chewing
its cud.

DrC PhD

I take calcium carbonate tablets and find them the cheapest,
most effective calcium form. Each tablet contains 500 mg of
elemental calcium and I take toughly 2-4 grams a day i.e.,
4-8 tablets. I disagree that calcium carbonate is an
ineffective form of calcium. I've tried different forms and
cc definitely works the best.

Getting back to the organic vs inorganic theory, have you
seen the following theory -

angelfire.comOrgChemOpen ↗

"The History of Organic Chemistry The name organic chemistry
came from the word organism. Prior to 1828, all organic
compounds had been obtained from organisms or their remains.
The scientific philosophy back then was that the synthesis
of organic compounds could only be produced within living
matter while inorganic compounds were synthesized from non-
living matter. A theory known as "Vitalism" stated that a
"vital force" from living organisms was necessary to make an
organic compound. 1828, a German chemist Friedrich Wöhler
(1800-1882) amazed the science community by using the
inorganic compound ammonium cyanate, NH4OCN to synthesize
urea, H2NCONH2, an organic substance found in the urine of
many animals. This led to the disappearance of the
"Vitalism" theory.

Carole austarmetro.com.aucellsalts.htmOpen ↗

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium From: "Janna"
[email hidden] Date: 5/30/04 12:30 AM
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> calcium carbonate is the cheapest form

Tums?

Limestone, CaCO3, is very cheap, one could say "dirt
cheap." Perhaps

we should

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walk around chewing on a piece of limestone all day to
get our Calcium like a cow chewing its cud.

DrC PhD

I take calcium carbonate tablets and find them the
cheapest, most effective calcium form. Each tablet contains
500 mg of elemental calcium and I take toughly 2-4 grams a
day i.e., 4-8 tablets. I disagree that calcium carbonate is
an ineffective form of calcium. I've tried different forms
and cc definitely works the best.

Although I think you're convincing yourself, I second the
idea of calcium carbonate tablets, which are generally a
cheap way to get your calcium. I get mine largely from dairy
products, but that's not an option for some people.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Question re Calcium From:
[email hidden] (Carole) Date: 6/4/04 6:18 PM
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Getting back to the organic vs inorganic theory, have you
seen the following theory -

angelfire.comOrgChemOpen ↗

I was educated as an "organic" chemist to the PhD level. I
am very aware of the theory and the history.

Organic chemistry today is mainly carbon chemistry in all
its various forms. If a compound contains carbon and comes
from a natural souce, it is organic.

The human body expires CO2, which, in water, forms CO3,
and is called carbonic acid, an "inorganic" compound. This
acid can leach Calcium from the soil and form CaCO3, the
source of our limestone and the cave stalagtites and
stalamites. But, that is the way it is.

What I fear is that inorganic calcium cannot be properly
utilized by the human body. If the body is forced to
absorb it, it may form stone (aka stalagmites, or calcium
deposits in the body ) rather than true bone which is an
organic material.

Milk has its cacium tied up in a protein called casein.
Heat the milk ( pasteurization e.g. ) and you destroy this
compound. You now have converted the organic form of
calcium into the inorganic form. Even calves, fed heated
milk, develop to about 300 lb, then sicken and die....from
calcium deficiency!

I am sorry, but I have never seen data to support the
theory that the human body has the enzymes and capacity to
convert inorganic calcium into viable organic calcium
which the body must have for many, many systems in the
body, not just the bone structure.

DrC PhD

Hmm, definitely something to think about. Calcium carbonate
works well for me, and I've been taking it for a long time
without noticeable side effects - although from what you
point out, it may be leaving some residue behind because of
the carbonic acid.

However, because I take the whole range of cell salts
including the ones which neutralise body acids (sodium
phosphate and sulphate, silica), this may not be a concern.
There are a lot of acids in the body which are formed as a
result of body processes of activity and digestion. They all
have a detrimental effect.

See info on body acids at The development of latent
"acidosis" euroamericanhealth.comhow.htmlOpen ↗
"Strong Acids, Weak Acids and Protein The strong acids in
our bodies are those that are formed by the degradation of
protein. These are sulfuric acid, phosphoric acid and nitric
acid. These are strong, like the battery acid in your car.
Strong acids are strong in contradistinction to weak acids
such as vinegar and citrus juices. Weak acids do not ionize
(break apart completely) when in solution whereas strong
acids do. This is why vinegar does not burn holes in your
clothes, or dissolve your bones; it does not break apart
completely into an acid and a base part, it remains partly a
salt. A salt is formed when an acid and a base combine and
neutralized each other."

and "Sulfuric acid or any of the strong acids are excreted
mainly as the salts of sodium, potassium, magnesium or
calcium as these are the main basic minerals of the body,
the ones that are the most plentiful. The sulfur in sulfuric
acid can and does combine with the calcium in your bones for
one and is excreted as the corresponding salt which is
called calcium sulfate. This salt does not harm the kidneys
on its way through them but it does rob the body of the
needed basic calcium."

But I guess the ultimate test to discover if calcium
carbonate was an inferior source of calcium, would be to
switch to the more expensive calcium citrate for a month or
two and see if there was any difference.

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