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  1. I'm planning on running in a 5K at the end of August, so I
    have a couple of months to prepare.

    Right now, I'm running 3 miles about 6 times/week. I run 12
    laps around a 1/4 mile rubberized track, at a 9-10
    minute/mile pace.

    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should train
    in some hilly areas.

    A little more detail...40 years old with a slender build in
    pretty good shape. I started running again a couple of
    months ago. Track running may not be ideal, but I use the
    rubberized track to reduce wear and tear on my legs. I don't
    have a HR monitor, so I use the lap times to help pace
    myself. I have a tendancy to run too fast on the early
    miles, so monitoring the lap times help.

    Thanks,

    Stan

  2. None said:

    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should train
    in some hilly areas.

    Try some speed work on the track. For example,

    4 laps at about 2:15-2:30 per lap warmup

    then do this 4 times: 2 laps fast jog 1 lap very slow (2:30
    or slower)

    then 4 laps at about 2:15-2:30 a lap cooldown

    It will take some trial and error to work out how fast you
    should do the 800m reps. I'd suggest that you do the first
    one in about 4 minutes and try to make each one faster than
    the previous one.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  3. None said:


    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should train
    in some hilly areas.

    The best way to train for hills is to run hills - both up
    and down (unless your race is only up or down). But
    generally no more than once a week, if you've only been
    running flat. (Mountain runners do a lot more, *but* they
    build up to it over years.)

    Here's a link that summarizes some basic info runnersworld.com0,5033,s6 51 0 0
    1063,00.html

    You don't say what "pretty hilly" means. Is it on roads
    (probably <5% slopes, maybe 100 ft uphill/downhill), trails
    (5-20% or greater slopes, few hundred feet change in
    elevation), or mountain running (20% and *much* steeper,
    2000 ft or more change in elevation)? If you're mostly
    training on a track (can you reverse directions occasionally
    to reduce wear/tear on legs?), I'm guessing your 5k is on a
    road with relatively gentle slopes with no climb over 100
    ft. Please correct me if I'm wrong as some places do have
    roads with much hillier routes.

    For starters, I try to find out what the course is like and
    mimic either parts of it or the entire course in my training
    runs. If I'm specifically working on hills, I'll pick hills
    that are either steeper or bigger (more elevation) or longer
    than the course to improve my hill ability. If in the middle
    of a long run, I *try* to run the ups and downs at similar
    effort (easier said than done on 20-30% slopes). The RW link
    describes some ways of doing uphill repeats - hard up, easy
    down. As you get better, you can steepen the hills, increase
    effort level (above LT), increase reps, etc. The steeper the
    hills, the more of a strength workout it is. There's more
    flavors of hill workouts than Baskin-Robbins ice cream 😉

    Unless your course is only uphill, be sure to work on
    downhills. You might run uphills hard / downhills easy (or
    walk) one time; other times focus on downhills and recover
    on the ups - but be careful of the downs. Downhills can hurt
    until you've got the strength for them. Here's a good link
    with downhill info pponline.co.uk0009.htm

    I also find that some drills like step ups, lunges, squats,
    etc. help for the hills in "off"-season, but pay attention
    to total volume (running + other drills) so you don't overdo
    it and injure yourself.

    On a more general note, you might consider adding some
    variety to your regular running - alternating easy / hard
    days. Do some runs longer than 5k at easier effort, do
    shorter runs with fartleks or intervals with the work
    portion at higher intensity. Hills are considered hard and
    can be run like a fartlek or interval if you maintain pace
    (effort will increase on up, decrease on down) or like a
    tempo if you maintain effort (decrease pace uphill, increase
    pace downhill). When increasing distance, generally don't
    increase more than 10% every 1-2 weeks. You don't get better
    by doing the same thing all the time. Just some thoughts.

    Good luck.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
    Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  4. If you can't get hills, then you could do a treadmill
    and just set the incline. Each week, set the incline a
    little more.

    Good luck.

    Kevin

    "None" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm planning on running in a 5K at the end of August, so I
    have a couple of months to prepare.

    Right now, I'm running 3 miles about 6 times/week. I run
    12 laps around a 1/4 mile rubberized track, at a 9-10
    minute/mile pace.

    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should train
    in some hilly areas.

    A little more detail...40 years old with a slender build
    in pretty good shape. I started running again a couple of
    months ago. Track running may not be ideal, but I use the
    rubberized track to reduce wear and tear on my legs. I
    don't have a HR monitor, so I use the lap times to help
    pace myself. I have a tendancy to run too fast on the
    early miles, so monitoring the lap times help.

    Thanks,

    Stan

  5. "None" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm planning on running in a 5K at the end of August, so I
    have a couple of months to prepare.

    Right now, I'm running 3 miles about 6 times/week. I run
    12 laps around a 1/4 mile rubberized track, at a 9-10
    minute/mile pace.

    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should train
    in some hilly areas.

    A little more detail...40 years old with a slender build
    in pretty good shape. I started running again a couple of
    months ago. Track running may not be ideal, but I use the
    rubberized track to reduce wear and tear on my legs. I
    don't have a HR monitor, so I use the lap times to help
    pace myself. I have a tendancy to run too fast on the
    early miles, so monitoring the lap times help.

    Thanks,

    Stan

    Another question this brings to mind - how much need is
    there for Stan to do some training on asphalt (which I
    presume will be the course material), since that harder
    surface will feel much different than the rubberized track?
    Or will it not matter very much, in that he'll only be
    pounding for 5K on a harder surface than he trained on?

    Margaret

  6. Hit the hills. Specificity.

    It will also help you by inducing delayed onset muscle
    soreness (DOMS) so that later the DOMS is less intense (if
    it comes at all).

    "None" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm planning on running in a 5K at the end of August, so I
    have a couple of months to prepare.

    Right now, I'm running 3 miles about 6 times/week. I run
    12 laps around a 1/4 mile rubberized track, at a 9-10
    minute/mile pace.

    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should train
    in some hilly areas.

    A little more detail...40 years old with a slender build
    in pretty good shape. I started running again a couple of
    months ago. Track running may not be ideal, but I use the
    rubberized track to reduce wear and tear on my legs. I
    don't have a HR monitor, so I use the lap times to help
    pace myself. I have a tendancy to run too fast on the
    early miles, so monitoring the lap times help.

    Thanks,

    Stan

  7. PS: You sounded like you might have access to some hilly
    areas, but if not, your track may have a stadium with
    steps that you could train on - or building stairs or
    parking garage ramp. Steps don't simulate the slope of
    regular hills (different foot plant), but that may not
    be that big a deal for a road race.

    Also, for effort monitoring, just run at conversational pace
    for your easy runs. For hard runs or portions thereof where
    you want to get above LT, then you should be breathing hard
    and conversation reduced to phrases or words.

    Also, if your race is on roads, train some on roads to get
    familiar with the footing and effort/pace monitoring.

    And since you've only be running again for a couple months,
    use caution (listen to your body) when doing any significant
    speed or hill work.

  8. "mwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "None" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm planning on running in a 5K at the end of August, so
    I have a couple of months to prepare.

    Right now, I'm running 3 miles about 6 times/week. I run
    12 laps around a 1/4 mile rubberized track, at a 9-10
    minute/mile pace.

    The 5K track is going to be pretty hilly, which I know
    will be MUCH more difficult than a flat course. I'm
    wondering how I could better train for the hills. Either
    techniques I could use on the track, or if I should
    train in some hilly areas.

    A little more detail...40 years old with a slender build
    in pretty good shape. I started running again a couple
    of months ago. Track running may not be ideal, but I use
    the rubberized track to reduce wear and tear on my legs.
    I don't have a HR monitor, so I use the lap times to
    help pace myself. I have a tendancy to run too fast on
    the early miles, so monitoring the lap times help.

    Thanks,

    Stan

    Another question this brings to mind - how much need is
    there for Stan to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    some training on asphalt (which I presume will be the
    course material), since that harder surface will feel much
    different than the rubberized track? Or will it not matter
    very much, in that he'll only be pounding


    for

    Quoted message said:

    5K on a harder surface than he trained on?

    Margaret

    Excellent point! Just had that discussion with a couple of
    folks earlier this AM about people who train for marathons
    entirely on trails or dirt and then have to run on concrete
    or asphalt. However, for a 5K it might not be all that bad.
    It is not all that long so by the time one's legs are
    starting to get beat up, the race is over.

    But you do bring up a good point and again, that word:
    Specificity.

  9. mwright said:

    Another question this brings to mind - how much need is
    there for Stan to do some training on asphalt (which I
    presume will be the course material), since that harder
    surface will feel much different than the rubberized
    track? Or will it not matter very much, in that he'll only
    be pounding for 5K on a harder surface than he trained on?

    Wouldn't worry about it. By the time the shoes are added to
    the equation, the difference between rubberized track and
    road is not all that great. I don't think it's comparable to
    the difference between road and trails for example.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  10. Not much to add to Dot's thoughtful reply.

    If you keep the same cadence up a hill, the mantra is

    The steeper the hill the shorter the step.

    Once you get the feeling of that the image is that you're
    falling through the hill. That is you're using gravity to
    get you up the hill.

    This also a way of being able to maintain the same erect
    postured, forward lean of the body.

    Another image is that you're falling through the hill and
    using the erect postured, forward lean of the body to use
    gravity to get you up the hill...not fighting gravity.

    In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Director, San Diego
    Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Maintainer - rec.running FAQ faqs.orgrunning
    faq/ Mindful Running: mindfulness.commr.asp

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