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  1. Prerace unknowns: unfamiliar course; starting temp 75 but how fast
    would it rise to the forecast 90; how fit am I anyway?

    Guess: 1:33 - 1:36. OK, let's aim for 1:33, or ~7:05 pace. I'm OK
    with erring on the aggresive side today, as my larger 2005 goal
    (sub-1:30) ain't happening yet, so a slightly quick start which may
    cost me 30-60 sec doesn't jeopardize any specific goal.

    I felt pretty good on 2 days rest but 7:05 sounded iffy, and in fact I
    couldn't quite maintain it. Splits:

    14:10 (2 mi, missed mile 1)
    6:47 (must've been downhill; not pushing here)
    7:19
    7:20
    7:15
    7:07
    7:11
    7:09
    7:26
    7:33
    7:16
    8:03 (1.1 mi, let's say 7:23 & :40)
    -----
    1:34:36

    Course had frequent small hills, certainly more than the Brooklyn
    course, maybe a bit more than Queens. Didn't heat up too much until I
    was heading for the subway 2.5 hrs after the start.

    Nobody has ever spoken of the Bronx course with enthusiasm, and I won't
    be the first. It's a bland and boring series of out & backs.

    Moderate discomfort, mile 4-5 maybe, in my back - QL I'm pretty sure -
    when the road's crown forced me to run with right foot higher than left
    for an extended stretch. Note to self: get serious about core strength
    and flexibility, for running and for real life.

    Other than that, I felt I ran a decent race despite slightly positive
    splits. Passed more than I got passed in just about every mile, though
    there are always a few who fly past me in the last .1. Always figure
    they're faster runners who should've beaten me by more if they'd laid
    it all on the line the whole race. Felt I ran the right efforts on
    downs/ups/flats too this time, which generally has me passing on the
    downs and yielding just a bit of ground on the ups.

    In the end the limit on my pace seemed simply that my legs tired. As
    my splits got slightly slower, my effort slightly increased throughout
    until I was really pushing my tired sore muscles those last few miles.
    If I'd had a million bucks on the line, I might have been able to shave
    a bit of time off via more conservative pacing but not 10 seconds via
    additional effort.

    Passed a whole lot of GNY runners the first couple miles - those
    singlets really do stand out - and none that I passed caught back up.
    Most notably I smoked Glover and enjoyed seeing him plodding toward me
    at each turnaround. ;-) Still, 15 of Donovan's teammates finished
    ahead of me including the F winner, phenom Michelle Bleakley.

    Donovan: around mile 9 I was wondering, is there a special contingent
    of your team only for those who live in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, or
    Staten Island? OB-GNY?

    - - -

    This was the third of five 1/2 M's in Grand Prix series.

    Brooklyn: 1:39:12 489/1959 M, 217/743 M3039 (on little 2005 training)
    Queens: 1:36:14 started 10:00 late so places were off
    Bronx: 1:34:36 234/1956 M, 109/684 M3039

    Bronx times were about a minute slower than Queens, so my time today's
    closer to the 3:00 effective improvement I seeked.

    queens bronx
    #1 male 1:09:29 1:10:21
    100 male 1:26:33 1:27:55
    200 male 1:32:39 1:33:34

  2. That was I who punched you in the mouth at the start line.

  3. Charlie Pendejo said:

    Passed a whole lot of GNY runners the first couple miles - those
    singlets really do stand out -

    Yep, glow in the dark.

    Quoted message said:

    and none that I passed caught back up.
    Most notably I smoked Glover and enjoyed seeing him plodding toward me
    at each turnaround. ;-)

    Bob hasn't been able to train as much as he would like the last few
    years. He's kind of nuts attempting that race in his current condition,
    but he's the type of guy who's not going to stop running while he's
    alive.

    Quoted message said:

    Still, 15 of Donovan's teammates finished
    ahead of me including the F winner, phenom Michelle Bleakley.

    Donovan: around mile 9 I was wondering, is there a special contingent
    of your team only for those who live in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, or
    Staten Island? OB-GNY?

    We have a fairly good showing in the team points races. For this one, we
    cobbled together just enough runners to form a competitive mens open team.
    We also had a bunch of people doing the race as a training run.

    If you look at the results, you'll see that the teams generally didn't have
    a very strong turnout.

    Quoted message said:

    This was the third of five 1/2 M's in Grand Prix series.

    Brooklyn: 1:39:12 489/1959 M, 217/743 M3039 (on little 2005 training)
    Queens: 1:36:14 started 10:00 late so places were off
    Bronx: 1:34:36 234/1956 M, 109/684 M3039

    Bronx times were about a minute slower than Queens, so my time today's
    closer to the 3:00 effective improvement I seeked.

    Careful. One race could easily draw a deeper field than the other. Queens is
    a team pointer, usually means very deep field. Though it's hard to tell,
    because the Queens race does get a weak showing by team-points standards.

    FWIW, I think running a reasonably fast time in a summer race is always a good
    thing. It's hard to interpret race times for summer races though, so better
    not to be too "clock oriented".

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  4. Charlie - that's a steady improvement you've got there.
    What are your short and longer term goals?

    Anthony.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Nobody has ever spoken of the Bronx course with enthusiasm, and I won't


    be the first.
    ___

    it's a shame too as the Bronx gets a "bad rap" and you can easily make
    a very nice course there. i thought you had a nice run
    cp.....certainly outperformed my 1:40 or 1:41 of 2 years ago on that
    course.

    mother nature must like you CP.... humidity 55%? Q. do you race in
    the same shoe you train in? you mentioned doing 10 milers in your
    training (before-hand)...what got the best of you...not venturing in
    the 1/2M distance in your preceeding training runs...did you feel like
    you were in "unfamiliar" territory in mile 11, 12, etc.? or did the
    early hills take their toll on you in the latter part of the race? you
    getting hills in your training runs?

  6. Anthony said:

    Charlie - that's a steady improvement you've got there.
    What are your short and longer term goals?

    Thanks Anthony (or for more NYC flavor, Ant'ny). :-)

    In order of shorter-to-longer term:

    - get weekly mileage to 55-60 then add intensity

    - race remaining two 1/2 M's in NYC grand prix series

    - sub-1:30 1/2 M in 2005

    - "decent" 2005 NYC M - my 1st NYC - honestly haven't decided whether
    to race it 100% or enjoy it as a group run (I'll train toward a
    marathon either way). Racing it is obviously appealing especially
    since everything went wrong at my only other marathon (overtrained,
    injured, underdressed, should never have run it) and since it should
    give me a good chance at BQ; but I can also imagine running it :30/mile
    slower, enjoying the hell out of this unique race, recovering much
    quicker, perhaps trying the Knickerbocker 60k end of November and maybe
    the HAT run instead of Boston in the spring 06.

    - maybe Boston or HAT run in spring 06 :-)

    - I turn 40 in Sep 07. I don't forsee contending for masters hardware
    in big NYRRC road races - there's just too much talent in this metro
    area of 20 million - but I'd like to be as far forward in the masters
    pack as possible. And if I'm in a smaller town, who knows? :-)

  7. Quoted message said:

    it's a shame too as the Bronx gets a "bad rap" and you can easily
    make a very nice course there.

    Agreed: I really wanted to like it. Ever since moving to Brooklyn in
    2001 I've become an outer boroughs convert and cheerleader - Manhattan
    is amazing and incomparable and all, but there's endless cool and
    unique stuff in the boroughs too that's ignored by 98% of
    Manhattanites. And the Bronx may even beat out Staten Island as the
    ultimate underdog borough, depending on the criteria and audience, so I
    was pulling for it.

    Quoted message said:

    Q. do you race in the same shoe you train in?

    Yes. I train in about 5 shoes including some minimal flats, and race
    in a couple depending. Sunday I wore the ridiculously named Nike Air
    Streak Vengeance IV, which are replacing my beloved but
    uppers-falling-apart Air Streak Ekidens - shoulda bought every size 8.5
    Eastbay stocked @ $20/pair!

    Quoted message said:

    you mentioned doing 10 milers in your training (before-hand)...what
    got the best of you...not venturing in the 1/2M distance in your
    preceeding training runs...did you feel like you were in "unfamiliar"
    territory in mile 11, 12, etc.? or did the early hills take their
    toll on you in the latter part of the race? you getting hills in
    your training runs?

    Unfamiliar territory? Hell no: aside from racing a couple other 21k's
    this year I've done 13-15 mile longish runs each weekend for months.
    Which I'll start lengthening - but smarter than last year when I ran 20
    on the roads week after week after week.

    Hills? Yep, NYC hills, which might seem pancake-flat to Dot or
    mountainous back where I come from in the Chicago suburbs. My most
    frequent haunt is Prospect Park, and often run the Brooklyn and
    Manhattan Bridges - even done a few sets of "hill" reps on them in
    recent weeks. In fact, here's 10 weeks of my training:
    http://tinyurl.com/acxpt

    I don't feel any one thing "got the best of me". Sure the hills and
    heat throughout, mild as they both were, were a factor; in the end I
    gave what I had and slowed a bit toward the end because I went out a
    hair faster than I could sustain. But I didn't die out there or suffer
    extraordinarily or IMO run a much slower race than I could've. Even in
    the last few miles I felt strong mentally/emotionally, giving whatever
    I had left, accepting the discomfort without resentment. My one
    negative moment was a few hours later, which I'll post separately.

  8. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Anthony said:

    Charlie - that's a steady improvement you've got there.
    What are your short and longer term goals?

    Thanks Anthony (or for more NYC flavor, Ant'ny). :-)

    Yeah - I get that from Doug sometimes...:-)

    Quoted message said:


    In order of shorter-to-longer term:

    - get weekly mileage to 55-60 then add intensity

    Sounds good.

    Quoted message said:

    - race remaining two 1/2 M's in NYC grand prix series

    - sub-1:30 1/2 M in 2005

    Sounds very doable.

    Quoted message said:


    - "decent" 2005 NYC M - my 1st NYC - honestly haven't decided whether
    to race it 100% or enjoy it as a group run (I'll train toward a
    marathon either way). Racing it is obviously appealing especially
    since everything went wrong at my only other marathon (overtrained,
    injured, underdressed, should never have run it) and since it should
    give me a good chance at BQ; but I can also imagine running it :30/mile
    slower, enjoying the hell out of this unique race, recovering much
    quicker, perhaps trying the Knickerbocker 60k end of November and maybe
    the HAT run instead of Boston in the spring 06.

    I would recommend racing the marathon. If you run a sensible marathon and
    pull
    off a goal time - it's a great feeling...The good thing about a marathon is
    that even if
    you're racing you should be able to enjoy the 1st half...

    Quoted message said:


    - maybe Boston or HAT run in spring 06 :-)

    - I turn 40 in Sep 07. I don't forsee contending for masters hardware
    in big NYRRC road races - there's just too much talent in this metro
    area of 20 million - but I'd like to be as far forward in the masters
    pack as possible. And if I'm in a smaller town, who knows? :-)

    If you get sub-1:30 on the 1/2M and continue to improve you should stand a
    chance
    of some hardware in the smaller races.

    Good luck,

    Anthony.

  9. Anthony suggested:

    Quoted message said:

    I would recommend racing the marathon.

    Anthony, I appreciate your advice and encouragement - thanks.

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