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  1. Radial tires have for good reasons, taken over the automotive tire industry. (Radial cords allow
    less squirm of the contact patch, with an attendant reduction in hysteresis losses and better
    steering.)

    With a single track, leaning vehicle such as a bicycle or motorcycle the increased patch stability
    probably has less effect on steering, but radial tires would allow for some reduction of wear and
    rolling resistance, both issues for bicyclists.

    Why have radial tires not been offered to us? I see that many motorcycles have them these days,
    particularly on high performance models. That must mean something to the designers, not just the
    marketers.

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    Ted Bennett Portland OR

  2. You can find the answer at sheldonbrown.comtires.html. Search that page for 'radial'.

    "Ted Bennett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    ... Why have radial tires not been offered to us? ...

  3. Review Boy said:

    You can find the answer at sheldonbrown.comtires.html. Search that page for 'radial'.

    Watch the . at the end of that address.
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    David L. Johnson

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  4. Ted Bennett said:

    Radial tires have for good reasons, taken over the automotive tire industry. (Radial cords allow
    less squirm of the contact patch, with an attendant reduction in hysteresis losses and better
    steering.)

    Quoted message said:

    With a single track, leaning vehicle such as a bicycle or motorcycle the increased patch stability
    probably has less effect on steering, but radial tires would allow for some reduction of wear and
    rolling resistance, both issues for bicyclists.

    Quoted message said:

    Why have radial tires not been offered to us? I see that many motorcycles have them these days,
    particularly on high performance models. That must mean something to the designers, not just the
    marketers.

    Radial tires reduced rolling resistance for cars both through eliminating inter-ply shear almost
    entirely and thereby reducing tread scrub that was so markedly apparent if you pushed a car on a
    shiny slick garage floor. The bias ply would squeal and the radial just rolled... effortlessly.

    Bicycle tires don't experience either of these effects to any large degree but one thing they have
    is a blow-off pressure that is greatly stabilized by constriction of the bias ply with increased
    pressure. I haven't seen any data but I suspect a radial that is otherwise identical to a 45 degree
    bias ply tire would blow off a rim dangerously sooner.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

  5. In article said:

    You can find the answer at sheldonbrown.comtires.html. Search that page for 'radial'.

    "Ted Bennett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    ... Why have radial tires not been offered to us? ...

    Could you be more specific? The only mention of radial tires is the statement that Panasonic made
    the only radial bicycle tire. There is no explanation of any advantages, nor is there any
    explanation of why more radials are offered.

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    Ted Bennett Portland OR

  6. In article said:

    You can find the answer at sheldonbrown.comtires.html. Search that page for 'radial'.

    "Ted Bennett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ... Why have radial tires not been offered to us? ...

    Sorry to post again, but I found the answer according to Sheldon:

    Quoted message said:

    Radial tires have been tried for bicycles, but they tend to be too floppy from side to side.
    This floppiness feels quite unpleasant in actual riding--much like the feel of a grossly
    underinflated tire.

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    Ted Bennett Portland OR

  7. Ted Bennett said:

    Why have radial tires not been offered to us? I see that many motorcycles have them these days,
    particularly on high performance models. That must mean something to the designers, not just the
    marketers.

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    Ted,

    Actually, radial tires were offered on some bikes in the mid-80s--my wife's NOS '86 Miyata 610 came
    with them--but were widely despised and disappeared from the market. (Her bike also came with
    Biopace chainrings, so it was a veritable museum of rejected technology. Sweet bike, though.)

    Trent

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