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  1. I mentioned it above somewhere. I wonder if we are now treating this too much like DIETS of old. On
    a day, off a day, can't quite just do it PERMANENTLY. And yes, I think that while it may be okay to
    "lose" it and enjoy the holiday offerings, it is hard to then give up some of the rich foods that
    are tasty, comforting, etc. 155 may not be something I can hold even if I got there.

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here too. I
    want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to journal,
    then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due more


    to the

    Quoted message said:

    fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been reached, incentive to maintain
    is so much different than incentive to continue in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the losing


    game - as

    Quoted message said:

    far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like you


    though,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better


    habits and

    Quoted message said:

    self control.

    Joyce

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    Control, control......

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Hi Fred,
    >
    >They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't worry about your gain,
    >you're still way under your goal weight. Which I might


    add

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >
    >SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >
    >
    >"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >berlin.de...
    >> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >> >
    >> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >> >
    >> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect
    >> > or just terrible eating on-going)
    >> >
    >> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >> >
    >> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much muscle


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >> >
    >> > Fred
    >> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >>
    >>
    >


  2. Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight keeps dipping? <G> But yes,
    it is hard to move away from those holiday treats and get back into the habit of journaling. I know
    I do better when I journal, almost too good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) -
    but I also know I can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the exercise (or
    lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain ol' laziness on my part. But I am
    working back into it strongly, and happily - and am finding it really does help with the self-
    imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here too. I
    want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to journal,
    then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due more


    to the

    Quoted message said:

    fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been reached, incentive to maintain
    is so much different than incentive to continue in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the losing


    game - as

    Quoted message said:

    far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like you


    though,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better


    habits and

    Quoted message said:

    self control.

    Joyce

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    Control, control......

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Hi Fred,
    >
    >They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't worry about your gain,
    >you're still way under your goal weight. Which I might


    add

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >
    >SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >
    >
    >"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >berlin.de...
    >> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >> >
    >> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >> >
    >> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect
    >> > or just terrible eating on-going)
    >> >
    >> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >> >
    >> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much muscle


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >> >
    >> > Fred
    >> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >>
    >>
    >


  3. Guava, grava, grauva - NOT mango! (G) BUT be warned, Stan did not like my taste in kasha and some
    may find this one odd, too. One friend did like it - another thought it medicinal!

    I have now journaled since Weds. Altho, I really do not know how much gorp or dried fruit I had on
    the hike along with a partial powerbar. And the licorice last night well.............

    Joyce said:

    Why can't I remember that? I get in the store, look for guava - can't find it then figure it must
    have been mango. Of course, high fiber mango isn't there either. <G> I'm writing it on the list
    right now - just to make sure I have it right this time.

    I journaled to 19 yesterday, 20.5 Friday - and have 17.5 so far today (dinner and evening snacks
    are tentatively logged, will adjust after I eat and know actual quantities). Old point range would
    put me at 18-23 if wanting to lose ... and I am sticking with that to try and get off what appears
    to be added since the holidays. Activity points boost those totals - but I fear I'm still not
    coming close enough. But I'm just not hungry! I may go higher this evening though, roasted turkey
    for dinner, along with stuffing, etc ... but so far through lunch I have only eaten 4.5 points.
    <sigh> Exercised before breakfast, which killed the appetite for anything more than fruit. Lunch
    ... sandwich, okra pickles (my current fav munchie) and some ff chips added at the last second
    because the soup I fixed was too horrid to eat.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Actually, it is the grauva that's the high fiber. The mango is not high enough. Journaled to 23
    points yesterday. 25 the day before - oh, I'm using the old journals and not flex points.

    Joyce said:

    Tomorrow I'm back to journaling - meant to today but didn't quite get around to it. But I did
    have a mental journal going - new exactly where I was all day long. I overdid on dinner (made
    beef barley soup, light on beef, heavy on veggies) portions, it tasted so good ... but still
    points were quite a bit under what I should have had for the day. I still can't find that fiber
    laden dried mango. <sigh>

    Joyce

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:08:49 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Yes, I am still maintaining and decided to throttle things in yesterday including journaling.
    >Was okay with a bit too much mango near the end.
    >
    >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:54:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>And yet you still are maintaining, which is what you want to do. Good for you Fred!!! (I think
    >>I'm giving myself a pep talk as well)
    >>
    >>Joyce
    >>
    >>On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:58:49 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >>>
    >>>Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >>>
    >>>UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect or
    >>>just terrible eating on-going)
    >>>
    >>>Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >>>
    >>>Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much muscle or leading to too much
    >>>snacking (G)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Take it away, Texas.......
    >>>
    >>>Fred
    >>>219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

  4. I don't think there IS any more fat on you ...

    I think you are Well Done

    As in impressively ... Okay, quitting now.

    I am journaling today. Even going to put down the 2 chocolate candy pieces I just ate after lunch. 5
    points. Worth every point.

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I mentioned it above somewhere. I wonder if we are now treating this too much like DIETS of old.
    On a day, off a day, can't quite just do it PERMANENTLY. And yes, I think that while it may be
    okay to "lose" it and enjoy the holiday offerings, it is hard to then give up some of the rich
    foods that are tasty, comforting, etc. 155 may not be something I can hold even if I got there.

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here too.
    I want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to
    journal, then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the

    Quoted message said:

    fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to continue


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    game - as

    Quoted message said:

    far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better


    habits and

    Quoted message said:

    self control.

    Joyce

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    >holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    >good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    >Control, control......
    >
    >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Hi Fred,
    >>
    >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    add

    Quoted message said:

    >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >>
    >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >>
    >>
    >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >>berlin.de...
    >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred <[email hidden]>
    >>> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >>> >
    >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >>> >
    >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect
    >>> > or just terrible eating on-going)
    >>> >
    >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >>> >
    >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:

    >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >>> >
    >>> > Fred
    >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >>>
    >>>
    >>

  5. Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks! And I just want to see 155.
    Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would quit with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates
    every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing the
    chocolates when they are gone, that difference alone will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight


    keeps

    Quoted message said:

    dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday treats


    and get

    Quoted message said:

    back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,


    almost too

    Quoted message said:

    good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I also


    know I

    Quoted message said:

    can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain ol'


    laziness

    Quoted message said:

    on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and am


    finding

    Quoted message said:

    it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here too.
    I want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to
    journal, then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the

    Quoted message said:

    fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to continue


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    game - as

    Quoted message said:

    far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better


    habits and

    Quoted message said:

    self control.

    Joyce

    On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    >holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    >good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    >Control, control......
    >
    >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Hi Fred,
    >>
    >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    add

    Quoted message said:

    >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >>
    >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >>
    >>
    >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >>berlin.de...
    >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred <[email hidden]>
    >>> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >>> >
    >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >>> >
    >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect
    >>> > or just terrible eating on-going)
    >>> >
    >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >>> >
    >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:

    >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >>> >
    >>> > Fred
    >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >>>
    >>>
    >>

  6. hehehe - I got it right this time, my local TJ's does not carry any dried guava, grava or grauva. I
    settled for another bag of the dried granny smith apple slices, forgot how much I liked them and a
    nice change of pace. I looked for kasha also, couldn't find it. Is this something you also purchased
    at Trader Joe's? I DID find the oatmeal though, made a batch in the crockpot (now have a huge amount
    in the fridge) and found it absolutely wonderful!

    I've also journaled faithfully since Friday, as well as making the trek to the basement treadmill.
    Water intake has definitely increased as I am making a much more concious effort in that department.
    Yeah for us for doing what we know works. From your most recent weight update, the point has been
    proven ... I have to wait until Friday to be official - but so far the scale has consistently shown
    a downward trend.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Guava, grava, grauva - NOT mango! (G) BUT be warned, Stan did not like my taste in kasha and some
    may find this one odd, too. One friend did like it - another thought it medicinal!

    I have now journaled since Weds. Altho, I really do not know how much gorp or dried fruit I had on
    the hike along with a partial powerbar. And the licorice last night well.............

    Joyce said:

    Why can't I remember that? I get in the store, look for guava - can't find it then figure it must
    have been mango. Of course, high fiber mango isn't there either. <G> I'm writing it on the list
    right now - just to make sure I have it right this time.

    I journaled to 19 yesterday, 20.5 Friday - and have 17.5 so far today (dinner and evening snacks
    are tentatively logged, will adjust after I eat and know actual quantities). Old point range would
    put me at 18-23 if wanting to lose ... and I am sticking with that to try and get off what appears
    to be added since the holidays. Activity points boost those totals - but I fear I'm still not
    coming close enough. But I'm just not hungry! I may go higher this evening though, roasted turkey
    for dinner, along with stuffing, etc ... but so far through lunch I have only eaten 4.5 points.
    <sigh> Exercised before breakfast, which killed the appetite for anything more than fruit. Lunch
    ... sandwich, okra pickles (my current fav munchie) and some ff chips added at the last second
    because the soup I fixed was too horrid to eat.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Actually, it is the grauva that's the high fiber. The mango is not high enough. Journaled to 23
    points yesterday. 25 the day before - oh, I'm using the old journals and not flex points.

    On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:01:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Tomorrow I'm back to journaling - meant to today but didn't quite get around to it. But I did
    >have a mental journal going - new exactly where I was all day long. I overdid on dinner (made
    >beef barley soup, light on beef, heavy on veggies) portions, it tasted so good ... but still
    >points were quite a bit under what I should have had for the day. I still can't find that fiber
    >laden dried mango. <sigh>
    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:08:49 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Yes, I am still maintaining and decided to throttle things in yesterday including journaling.
    >>Was okay with a bit too much mango near the end.
    >>
    >>On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:54:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>And yet you still are maintaining, which is what you want to do. Good for you Fred!!! (I think
    >>>I'm giving myself a pep talk as well)
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:58:49 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >>>>
    >>>>Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >>>>
    >>>>UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect or
    >>>>just terrible eating on-going)
    >>>>
    >>>>Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >>>>
    >>>>Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much muscle or leading to too much
    >>>>snacking (G)
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Take it away, Texas.......
    >>>>
    >>>>Fred
    >>>>219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

  7. On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:27:02 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I don't think there IS any more fat on you ...

    Maybe a tad. I do think that WW does not consider muscle/fat but then again, they don't have the
    facilities to do that. Maybe I should invest in a full fat/muscle checkup besides finally getting
    all of the blood chemistry done - it's been a number of years and nothing since the diet.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you are Well Done

    GGGGGGGG. And thanks. Ah, yes, now cooking with gas (the effects of too much crystalized
    ginger, I think)

    Quoted message said:

    As in impressively ... Okay, quitting now.

    Okay...........

    Quoted message said:

    I am journaling today. Even going to put down the 2 chocolate candy pieces I just ate after lunch.
    5 points. Worth every point.

    I have honey nut cheerios and milk (I was surprised they have less fat then regular cherrios). And
    because of Natalie, MANGO (when I checked the labels for her)

    Quoted message said:

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I mentioned it above somewhere. I wonder if we are now treating this too much like DIETS of old.
    On a day, off a day, can't quite just do it PERMANENTLY. And yes, I think that while it may be
    okay to "lose" it and enjoy the holiday offerings, it is hard to then give up some of the rich
    foods that are tasty, comforting, etc. 155 may not be something I can hold even if I got there.

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    too. I want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to
    journal, then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the
    > fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to continue


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    game - as
    > far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though,
    > I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better
    habits and
    > self control.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    >
    > >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    > >holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    > >good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    > >Control, control......
    > >
    > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Hi Fred,
    > >>
    > >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    add
    > >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >>
    > >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >>berlin.de...
    > >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years
    > >>> > affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or
    > >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >>> >
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Fred
    > >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    >


  8. I'm thankful that most of the holiday treats are in unopened boxes. They will be taken into work
    this week for other students to enjoy.

    "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks!


    And

    Quoted message said:

    I just want to see 155. Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would quit with the choice of eating a
    couple of chocolates every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat ice cream) Every night. Whine.
    I am not replacing the chocolates when they are gone, that difference


    alone

    Quoted message said:

    will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight


    keeps

    Quoted message said:

    dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday treats


    and get

    Quoted message said:

    back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,


    almost too

    Quoted message said:

    good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I also


    know I

    Quoted message said:

    can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain ol'


    laziness

    Quoted message said:

    on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and


    am

    Quoted message said:

    finding

    Quoted message said:

    it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    too. I want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a
    decision to


    journal,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

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    Quoted message said:
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    Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the
    > fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to continue


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    game - as
    > far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though,
    > I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    habits and
    > self control.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    >
    > >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot
    > >lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >Control, control......
    > >
    > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Hi Fred,
    > >>
    > >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    add
    > >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >>
    > >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >>berlin.de...
    > >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years
    > >>> > affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or
    > >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >>> >
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Fred
    > >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    >


  9. Ok. that makes sense and I do understand. I'm warning ya though, once you see it you aren't going to
    be happy unless you can stick around there. I think that's my current problem. I hadn't been unhappy
    in the 130-133 zone ... but after seeing that 129 or below a few times, it is distressing to move
    back to the 130-133's.

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks! And I just want to see 155.
    Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would quit with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates
    every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing
    the chocolates when they are gone, that difference alone will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight


    keeps

    Quoted message said:

    dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday treats


    and get

    Quoted message said:

    back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,


    almost too

    Quoted message said:

    good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I also


    know I

    Quoted message said:

    can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain ol'


    laziness

    Quoted message said:

    on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and am


    finding

    Quoted message said:

    it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    too. I want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to
    journal, then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the
    > fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to continue


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    game - as
    > far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though,
    > I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better
    habits and
    > self control.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    >
    > >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    > >holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    > >good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    > >Control, control......
    > >
    > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Hi Fred,
    > >>
    > >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    add
    > >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >>
    > >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >>berlin.de...
    > >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years
    > >>> > affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or
    > >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >>> >
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Fred
    > >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    >


  10. BUT is giving up some treats what should be done. This last week my leader said to succumb to some
    hankerings otherwise you might drive yourself to distraction. Good luck with 155.

    Lesanne said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks! And I just want to see 155.
    Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would quit with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates
    every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing
    the chocolates when they are gone, that difference alone will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight


    keeps

    Quoted message said:

    dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday treats


    and get

    Quoted message said:

    back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,


    almost too

    Quoted message said:

    good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I also


    know I

    Quoted message said:

    can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain ol'


    laziness

    Quoted message said:

    on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and am


    finding

    Quoted message said:

    it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    too. I want to get to 155, it is definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to
    journal, then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group, and Still.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the
    > fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to continue


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    game - as
    > far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does? Like


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though,
    > I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those better
    habits and
    > self control.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    >
    > >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in mind. I lost over those
    > >holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed this year. But I am still undergoal and felt so
    > >good skiing and biking last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and EAT.
    > >Control, control......
    > >
    > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Hi Fred,
    > >>
    > >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    add
    > >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >>
    > >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >>berlin.de...
    > >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years
    > >>> > affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or
    > >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >>> >
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >>> >
    > >>> > Fred
    > >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    >


  11. Joyce said:

    hehehe - I got it right this time, my local TJ's does not carry any dried guava, grava or grauva. I
    settled for another bag of the dried granny smith apple slices, forgot how much I liked them and a
    nice change of pace. I looked for kasha also, couldn't find it. Is this something you also
    purchased at Trader Joe's? I DID find the oatmeal though, made a batch in the crockpot (now have a
    huge amount in the fridge) and found it absolutely wonderful!

    They do have different items in their different locales. No, kasha can be hand at some local markets
    with rice or couscous or probably health food stores. Also known as buckwheat groats. Glad you liked
    the oatmeal. It is good stuff - sticks to ribs and it heart-healhty. And I eat it with just
    milk/soymilk without any additional sweetening most times. Sometimes raisins.

    Quoted message said:

    I've also journaled faithfully since Friday, as well as making the trek to the basement treadmill.
    Water intake has definitely increased as I am making a much more concious effort in that
    department. Yeah for us for doing what we know works. From your most recent weight update, the
    point has been proven ... I have to wait until Friday to be official - but so far the scale has
    consistently shown a downward trend.

    It works when we work - simple. Tonight I probably reacted to the good results and ate too much
    candy and then some Trader Joe gorp (sigh)

    Quoted message said:

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Guava, grava, grauva - NOT mango! (G) BUT be warned, Stan did not like my taste in kasha and some
    may find this one odd, too. One friend did like it - another thought it medicinal!

    I have now journaled since Weds. Altho, I really do not know how much gorp or dried fruit I had on
    the hike along with a partial powerbar. And the licorice last night well.............

    Joyce said:

    Why can't I remember that? I get in the store, look for guava - can't find it then figure it must
    have been mango. Of course, high fiber mango isn't there either. <G> I'm writing it on the list
    right now - just to make sure I have it right this time.

    I journaled to 19 yesterday, 20.5 Friday - and have 17.5 so far today (dinner and evening snacks
    are tentatively logged, will adjust after I eat and know actual quantities). Old point range
    would put me at 18-23 if wanting to lose ... and I am sticking with that to try and get off what
    appears to be added since the holidays. Activity points boost those totals - but I fear I'm still
    not coming close enough. But I'm just not hungry! I may go higher this evening though, roasted
    turkey for dinner, along with stuffing, etc ... but so far through lunch I have only eaten 4.5
    points. <sigh> Exercised before breakfast, which killed the appetite for anything more than
    fruit. Lunch ... sandwich, okra pickles (my current fav munchie) and some ff chips added at the
    last second because the soup I fixed was too horrid to eat.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:56:45 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Actually, it is the grauva that's the high fiber. The mango is not high enough. Journaled to 23
    >points yesterday. 25 the day before - oh, I'm using the old journals and not flex points.
    >
    >On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:01:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Tomorrow I'm back to journaling - meant to today but didn't quite get around to it. But I did
    >>have a mental journal going - new exactly where I was all day long. I overdid on dinner (made
    >>beef barley soup, light on beef, heavy on veggies) portions, it tasted so good ... but still
    >>points were quite a bit under what I should have had for the day. I still can't find that fiber
    >>laden dried mango. <sigh>
    >>
    >>Joyce
    >>
    >>On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:08:49 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Yes, I am still maintaining and decided to throttle things in yesterday including journaling.
    >>>Was okay with a bit too much mango near the end.
    >>>
    >>>On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:54:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>And yet you still are maintaining, which is what you want to do. Good for you Fred!!! (I
    >>>>think I'm giving myself a pep talk as well)
    >>>>
    >>>>Joyce
    >>>>
    >>>>On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:58:49 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still be Christmas/New Years affect or
    >>>>>just terrible eating on-going)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much muscle or leading to too much
    >>>>>snacking (G)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Take it away, Texas.......
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Fred
    >>>>>219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

  12. I have some muscle. And some extra skin too. But truly I think that when those people on the extreme
    makeovers and such, who had 10 pounds of skin removed, after losses like mine had some fat removed
    with it. Many places on me, the skin is loose, but with no fat under it, or not much, it is very
    very thin, and could not possibly weigh very much. I still have a bit of actual fat on the back of
    my upper arms, and on my hips, and of course on the boobilishous area. I still am top heavy. I can
    take off a few more. Not a lot though. An interesting thing. Before I lost that last bit? I had some
    kind of hangy skin under my chin. When the fat left there the skin is making a valiant effort to
    cling to the tissue under there and the hangy is much less apparent. That is also happening on my
    abdomen. I can actually see hints of stomach muscles on my upper abdomen, under the cute little
    wrinkles (looks like crepe). I decided to think of it as cute, keeps me happy.

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Lesanne said:

    I don't think there IS any more fat on you ...

    Maybe a tad. I do think that WW does not consider muscle/fat but then again, they don't have the
    facilities to do that. Maybe I should invest in a full fat/muscle checkup besides finally getting
    all of the blood chemistry done - it's been a number of years and nothing since the diet.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you are Well Done

    GGGGGGGG. And thanks. Ah, yes, now cooking with gas (the effects of too much crystalized ginger,
    I think)

    Quoted message said:

    As in impressively ... Okay, quitting now.

    Okay...........

    Quoted message said:

    I am journaling today. Even going to put down the 2 chocolate candy


    pieces

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just ate after lunch. 5 points. Worth every point.

    I have honey nut cheerios and milk (I was surprised they have less fat then regular cherrios). And
    because of Natalie, MANGO (when I checked the labels for her)

    Quoted message said:

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I mentioned it above somewhere. I wonder if we are now treating this too much like DIETS of
    old. On a day, off a day, can't quite just do it PERMANENTLY. And yes, I think that while it
    may be okay to "lose" it and enjoy the holiday offerings, it is hard to then give up some of
    the rich foods that are tasty, comforting, etc. 155 may not be something I can hold even if I
    got there.

    On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Still.
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

    Quoted message said:

    >to the
    >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:

    >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    >the
    >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

    Quoted message said:

    >game - as
    >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you

    Quoted message said:

    >though,
    >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >habits and
    >> self control.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >>
    >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I
    >> >cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >Control, control......
    >> >
    >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>Hi Fred,
    >> >>
    >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:

    >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

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    >add
    >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >> >>
    >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >> >>berlin.de...
    >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

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    >or
    >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Fred
    >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
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  13. yeah, I am sure you are right. Not a problem though, I bet I am back to 158 or worse in the
    morning....

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    Ok. that makes sense and I do understand. I'm warning ya though, once you


    see it

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    that's my

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    current problem. I hadn't been unhappy in the 130-133 zone ... but after


    seeing

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    that 129 or below a few times, it is distressing to move back to the


    130-133's.

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    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks!


    And

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    I just want to see 155. Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would


    quit

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    with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat
    ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing the chocolates when they are gone, that
    difference


    alone

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    will take those last 2.5 off me ...

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    Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight


    keeps

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    dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday


    treats

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    Quoted message said:

    and get

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    back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,


    almost too

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    good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I


    also

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    know I

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    can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the


    exercise

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    (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain


    ol'

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    laziness

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    on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and


    am

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    finding

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    it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

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    >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

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    >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

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    >Still.
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

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    >to the
    >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

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    >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

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    in

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    >the
    >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

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    >game - as
    >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

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    you

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    >though,
    >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

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    Quoted message said:
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    >habits and
    >> self control.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >>
    >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

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    Quoted message said:
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    >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

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    >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I
    >> >cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >Control, control......
    >> >
    >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>Hi Fred,
    >> >>
    >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

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    >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

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    >add
    >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >> >>
    >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >> >>berlin.de...
    >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:

    >or
    >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Fred
    >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>
    >>
    >

  14. yeah. SOME treats. Not every day. I just purged the house. Took all the sugary stuff next door.
    Gone. Tomorrow I work on 155.

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    BUT is giving up some treats what should be done. This last week my leader said to succumb to some
    hankerings otherwise you might drive yourself to distraction. Good luck with 155.

    Lesanne said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks!


    And

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just want to see 155. Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would


    quit

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    with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat
    ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing the chocolates when they are gone, that
    difference


    alone

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    will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight


    keeps

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    dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday


    treats

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and get

    Quoted message said:

    back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,


    almost too

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    good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I


    also

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    know I

    Quoted message said:

    can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the


    exercise

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    (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain


    ol'

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    laziness

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    on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and


    am

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    finding

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    it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

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    Quoted message said:
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    >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

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    >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

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    >Still.
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due


    more

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    >to the
    >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been


    reached,

    Quoted message said:

    >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in

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    >the
    >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the


    losing

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    >game - as
    >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

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    Quoted message said:

    you

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    >though,
    >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >habits and
    >> self control.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >>
    >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I
    >> >cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >Control, control......
    >> >
    >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>Hi Fred,
    >> >>
    >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't


    worry

    Quoted message said:

    >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I


    might

    Quoted message said:

    >add
    >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    >> >>
    >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    >> >>berlin.de...
    >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much


    muscle

    Quoted message said:

    >or
    >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    >> >>> >
    >> >>> > Fred
    >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>
    >>
    >

  15. Fred said:
    Joyce said:

    hehehe - I got it right this time, my local TJ's does not carry any dried guava, grava or grauva.
    I settled for another bag of the dried granny smith apple slices, forgot how much I liked them and
    a nice change of pace. I looked for kasha also, couldn't find it. Is this something you also
    purchased at Trader Joe's? I DID find the oatmeal though, made a batch in the crockpot (now have a
    huge amount in the fridge) and found it absolutely wonderful!

    They do have different items in their different locales. No, kasha can be hand at some local
    markets with rice or couscous or probably health food stores. Also known as buckwheat groats. Glad
    you liked the oatmeal. It is good stuff - sticks to ribs and it heart-healhty. And I eat it with
    just milk/soymilk without any additional sweetening most times. Sometimes raisins.

    Ok, I'll look for kasha when I'm in and out of the groceries. I don't have a health food store
    around me - at least not one I'm aware of. I did buy a box of whole wheat couscous the other day -
    lots of fiber in it which should bring the points down ... at least by 1. <G> I don't add any sugar
    to my oatmeal either, but have only eaten those *add water to cup* ones. The McCanns came out to the
    same consistency (which was what I had hoped for). I doubt I would add anything other than a little
    bit of milk, maybe some cinnamon (cuz I love the stuff). Oh - forgot to tell you ... I looked closer
    at the can when at home. On one side it says Steel Cut Oatmeal - with the Oatmeal in huge letters.
    Then when I spun it a little more it says Steel Cut Irish Oatmeal - with the Irish Oatmeal in those
    huge letters. Must be where my confusion came into play the first time at the store. The cans were
    sitting next to each other, but with one displayed differently, I thought they were different
    products. Silly me!

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    I've also journaled faithfully since Friday, as well as making the trek to the basement treadmill.
    Water intake has definitely increased as I am making a much more concious effort in that
    department. Yeah for us for doing what we know works. From your most recent weight update, the
    point has been proven ... I have to wait until Friday to be official - but so far the scale has
    consistently shown a downward trend.

    It works when we work - simple. Tonight I probably reacted to the good results and ate too much
    candy and then some Trader Joe gorp (sigh)

    hehehe - I think we all do that. If we're gonna splurge, it's gonna be AFTER we weigh in. Tonite I'm
    happily munching away on one points worth of dried apple rings. They take me forever to eat. <G>

    Joyce

  16. Crepe, huh (G) Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay (G)

    I "only" lost 60 and had/have less to skin to shrink, I guess. I still have a modest spare tire. But
    I no longer look like I'm in my 18th month!!!!!!! (G) And I have also lost my "boobilishous" look,
    too. My friend, just today, mentioned extreme makeover while biking. I've never watched it - I did
    see an Oprah "results" show a week or so ago.

    I do recall thinking that maybe liposuction would be a good way to get rid of the fat cells which
    still want to be "fed" but who knows.

    At the moment, natural processes appear to be working fine.

    Lesanne said:

    I have some muscle. And some extra skin too. But truly I think that when those people on the
    extreme makeovers and such, who had 10 pounds of skin removed, after losses like mine had some fat
    removed with it. Many places on me, the skin is loose, but with no fat under it, or not much, it is
    very very thin, and could not possibly weigh very much. I still have a bit of actual fat on the
    back of my upper arms, and on my hips, and of course on the boobilishous area. I still am top
    heavy. I can take off a few more. Not a lot though. An interesting thing. Before I lost that last
    bit? I had some kind of hangy skin under my chin. When the fat left there the skin is making a
    valiant effort to cling to the tissue under there and the hangy is much less apparent. That is also
    happening on my abdomen. I can actually see hints of stomach muscles on my upper abdomen, under the
    cute little wrinkles (looks like crepe). I decided to think of it as cute, keeps me happy.

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Lesanne said:

    I don't think there IS any more fat on you ...

    Maybe a tad. I do think that WW does not consider muscle/fat but then again, they don't have the
    facilities to do that. Maybe I should invest in a full fat/muscle checkup besides finally getting
    all of the blood chemistry done - it's been a number of years and nothing since the diet.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you are Well Done

    GGGGGGGG. And thanks. Ah, yes, now cooking with gas (the effects of too much crystalized ginger,
    I think)

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    As in impressively ... Okay, quitting now.

    Okay...........

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    I am journaling today. Even going to put down the 2 chocolate candy


    pieces

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just ate after lunch. 5 points. Worth every point.

    I have honey nut cheerios and milk (I was surprised they have less fat then regular cherrios).
    And because of Natalie, MANGO (when I checked the labels for her)

    Quoted message said:

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I mentioned it above somewhere. I wonder if we are now treating this too much like DIETS of
    > old. On a day, off a day, can't quite just do it PERMANENTLY. And yes, I think that while it
    > may be okay to "lose" it and enjoy the holiday offerings, it is hard to then give up some of
    > the rich foods that are tasty, comforting, etc. 155 may not be something I can hold even if I
    > got there.
    >
    > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    > >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >Still.
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due
    more
    > >to the
    > >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been
    reached,
    > >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in
    > >the
    > >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the
    losing
    > >game - as
    > >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you
    > >though,
    > >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >habits and
    > >> self control.
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    > >wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I
    > >> >cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >Control, control......
    > >> >
    > >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>Hi Fred,
    > >> >>
    > >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't
    worry
    > >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I
    might
    > >add
    > >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >> >>
    > >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >> >>berlin.de...
    > >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much
    muscle
    > >or
    > >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Fred
    > >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >
    >


  17. I like that, its your body and you can think of it any way you like, the
    best thing about getting healthier is it is not just getting physically
    healthy, that part seems to help in the head department, Lee
    Lesanne <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have some muscle. And some extra skin too. But truly I think that when those people on the
    extreme makeovers and such, who had 10 pounds of skin removed, after losses like mine had some
    fat removed with it. Many places on me, the skin is loose, but with no fat under it, or not
    much, it is


    very

    Quoted message said:

    very thin, and could not possibly weigh very much. I still have a bit of actual fat on the back of
    my upper arms, and on my hips, and of course on the boobilishous area. I still am top heavy. I can
    take off a few more. Not a lot though. An interesting thing. Before I lost that last bit? I had
    some kind of hangy skin under my chin. When the fat left there the


    skin

    Quoted message said:

    is making a valiant effort to cling to the tissue under there and the


    hangy

    Quoted message said:

    is much less apparent. That is also happening on my abdomen. I can actually see hints of stomach
    muscles on my upper abdomen, under the cute little wrinkles (looks like crepe). I decided to think
    of it as cute, keeps me happy.

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Lesanne said:

    I don't think there IS any more fat on you ...

    Maybe a tad. I do think that WW does not consider muscle/fat but then again, they don't have
    the facilities to do that. Maybe I should invest in a full fat/muscle checkup besides
    finally getting all of the blood chemistry done - it's been a number of years and nothing
    since the diet.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you are Well Done

    GGGGGGGG. And thanks. Ah, yes, now cooking with gas (the effects of too much crystalized ginger,
    I think)

    Quoted message said:

    As in impressively ... Okay, quitting now.

    Okay...........

    Quoted message said:

    I am journaling today. Even going to put down the 2 chocolate candy


    pieces

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just ate after lunch. 5 points. Worth every point.

    I have honey nut cheerios and milk (I was surprised they have less fat then regular cherrios).
    And because of Natalie, MANGO (when I checked the labels for her)

    Quoted message said:

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I mentioned it above somewhere. I wonder if we are now treating this too much like DIETS of
    > old. On a day, off a day, can't quite just do it PERMANENTLY. And yes, I think that while it
    > may be okay to "lose" it and enjoy the holiday offerings, it is hard to then give up some


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > the rich foods that are tasty, comforting, etc. 155 may not be something I can hold even if I
    > got there.
    >
    > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    > >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

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    > >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

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    > >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling


    group,

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    and

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    > >Still.
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was


    due

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    Quoted message said:
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    more
    > >to the
    > >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been
    reached,
    > >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

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    in
    > >the
    > >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the
    losing
    > >game - as
    > >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

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    you
    > >though,
    > >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

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    > >habits and
    > >> self control.
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > >wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

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    > >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and


    biking

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    Quoted message said:
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    > >> >last weekend that I cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
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    > >> >Control, control......
    > >> >
    > >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>Hi Fred,
    > >> >>
    > >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so


    don't

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    Quoted message said:
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    worry
    > >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which


    I

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    might
    > >add
    > >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >> >>
    > >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >> >>berlin.de...
    > >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

    Quoted message said:
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    > >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much
    muscle
    > >or
    > >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Fred
    > >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >
    >


  18. Fanatic! (G)

    Who lives next door?

    Lesanne said:

    yeah. SOME treats. Not every day. I just purged the house. Took all the sugary stuff next door.
    Gone. Tomorrow I work on 155.

    "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    BUT is giving up some treats what should be done. This last week my leader said to succumb to
    some hankerings otherwise you might drive yourself to distraction. Good luck with 155.

    Lesanne said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks!


    And

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    I just want to see 155. Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would


    quit

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    with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat
    ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing the chocolates when they are gone, that
    difference


    alone

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    will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight
    keeps
    > dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday


    treats

    Quoted message said:
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    and get
    > back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,
    almost too
    > good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I


    also

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    know I
    > can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the
    exercise
    > (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain


    ol'

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    laziness
    > on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and


    am

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    finding
    > it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    > >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

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    Quoted message said:

    > >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

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    > >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

    Quoted message said:
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    > >Still.
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due
    more
    > >to the
    > >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been
    reached,
    > >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in
    > >the
    > >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the
    losing
    > >game - as
    > >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you
    > >though,
    > >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >habits and
    > >> self control.
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    > >wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I
    > >> >cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >Control, control......
    > >> >
    > >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>Hi Fred,
    > >> >>
    > >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't
    worry
    > >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I
    might
    > >add
    > >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >> >>
    > >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >> >>berlin.de...
    > >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much
    muscle
    > >or
    > >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Fred
    > >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >
    >


  19. hehehe, and down again the next day. I swear it's another one of those head games we play with
    ourselves. Admittedly, I am guilty of the same. I'm feeling so much better this week - seeing the
    scale continually move downwards. And today I dragged out a pair of sweatpants from last year, size
    womens medium. They have no elastic waist, are drawstring. Last year they fit great, but I didn't
    have to tie the string to keep them at my waist area (much easier this way when running constantly
    to the potty). Today ... dang things won't stay up. I don't ever remember needing a size small!

    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    yeah, I am sure you are right. Not a problem though, I bet I am back to 158 or worse in the
    morning....

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Ok. that makes sense and I do understand. I'm warning ya though, once you


    see it

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    you aren't going to be happy unless you can stick around there. I think


    that's my

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    current problem. I hadn't been unhappy in the 130-133 zone ... but after


    seeing

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    that 129 or below a few times, it is distressing to move back to the


    130-133's.

    Quoted message said:


    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    Oh, cause it has been (on my average) right around 157.5 for six weeks!


    And

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just want to see 155. Just once. ... . And I could!! if I would


    quit

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with the choice of eating a couple of chocolates every day. Or ice cream (despite being low fat
    ice cream) Every night. Whine. I am not replacing the chocolates when they are gone, that
    difference


    alone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    will take those last 2.5 off me ...

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Now how can you possibly feel like you are struggling when that weight
    keeps
    > dipping? <G> But yes, it is hard to move away from those holiday


    treats

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and get
    > back into the habit of journaling. I know I do better when I journal,
    almost too
    > good (have noticed I tend to not eat enough when I journal) - but I


    also

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    know I
    > can survive if I don't ... kind of double edged sword. I do think the
    exercise
    > (or lack thereof) is what has me a bit off track lately - just plain


    ol'

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    laziness
    > on my part. But I am working back into it strongly, and happily - and


    am

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    finding
    > it really does help with the self-imposed mind games.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > >It is sure hard to get out of that holiday mode right? I feel like I am struggling down here
    > >too. I want to get to 155, it


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >definately possible and achievable for me. I make a decision to


    journal,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >then I don't do it. Dang. I am even a member of a journaling group,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >Still.
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> I also was much better last season, but have wondered if it was due
    more
    > >to the
    > >> fact that I was still on my way to goal. This year goal had been
    reached,
    > >> incentive to maintain is so much different than incentive to


    continue

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in
    > >the
    > >> losing mode. I also wonder if my body then was still used to the
    losing
    > >game - as
    > >> far as probably requiring more calories than it currently does?


    Like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you
    > >though,
    > >> I'm still under goal - just need to get back to practicing those


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >habits and
    > >> self control.
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    > >wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >I guess I was better last season when things were still fresh in


    mind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >I lost over those holidays. And I know that was was overstuffed


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >year. But I am still undergoal and felt so good skiing and biking last weekend that I
    > >> >cannot lose sight of that when I sit down and


    EAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >Control, control......
    > >> >
    > >> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:53:59 GMT, "SPOONS" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>Hi Fred,
    > >> >>
    > >> >>They say the average person gains 7 lbs over the holidays so don't
    worry
    > >> >>about your gain, you're still way under your goal weight. Which I
    might
    > >add
    > >> >>that a 60 lbs loss is AMAZING!!!!
    > >> >>
    > >> >>SPOONS Total Loss: 22 lbs
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    > >> >>berlin.de...
    > >> >>> maybe she will want to assist in your efforts to lose, Lee Fred
    > >> >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >> >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >>> > The stage is Lesanne's!!!! (thunderous applause)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Greek Chorus is cued (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > UP 1.6 (since the last 3 weeks were guesses, this may still


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> >>> > Christmas/New Years affect or just terrible eating on-going)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Current Weight 160.00 (even)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Too much snacking. Or too much exercise leading to too much
    muscle
    > >or
    > >> >>> > leading to too much snacking (G)
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Take it away, Texas.......
    > >> >>> >
    > >> >>> > Fred
    > >> >>> > 219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >
    >


  20. Joyce said:
    Fred said:
    Joyce said:

    hehehe - I got it right this time, my local TJ's does not carry any dried guava, grava or grauva.
    I settled for another bag of the dried granny smith apple slices, forgot how much I liked them
    and a nice change of pace. I looked for kasha also, couldn't find it. Is this something you also
    purchased at Trader Joe's? I DID find the oatmeal though, made a batch in the crockpot (now have
    a huge amount in the fridge) and found it absolutely wonderful!

    Quoted message said:
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    They do have different items in their different locales. No, kasha can be hand at some local
    markets with rice or couscous or probably health food stores. Also known as buckwheat groats. Glad
    you liked the oatmeal. It is good stuff - sticks to ribs and it heart-healhty. And I eat it with
    just milk/soymilk without any additional sweetening most times. Sometimes raisins.

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    Ok, I'll look for kasha when I'm in and out of the groceries. I don't have a health food store
    around me - at least not one I'm aware of. I did buy a box of whole wheat couscous the other day -
    lots of fiber in it which should bring the points down ... at least by 1. <G> I don't add any sugar
    to my oatmeal either, but have only eaten those *add water to cup* ones. The McCanns came out to
    the same consistency (which was what I had hoped for). I doubt I would add anything other than a
    little bit of milk, maybe some cinnamon (cuz I love the stuff). Oh - forgot to tell you ... I
    looked closer at the can when at home. On one side it says Steel Cut Oatmeal - with the Oatmeal in
    huge letters. Then when I spun it a little more it says Steel Cut Irish Oatmeal - with the Irish
    Oatmeal in those huge letters. Must be where my confusion came into play the first time at the
    store. The cans were sitting next to each other, but with one displayed differently, I thought they
    were different products. Silly me!

    I promise nothing with the kasha, it seems it is too strong a flavor for some folks (STAN!!! (G)).
    Yes, I noticed the McCann Can looked fine from both sides but is just different enough.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    I've also journaled faithfully since Friday, as well as making the trek to the basement
    treadmill. Water intake has definitely increased as I am making a much more concious effort in
    that department. Yeah for us for doing what we know works. From your most recent weight update,
    the point has been proven ... I have to wait until Friday to be official - but so far the scale
    has consistently shown a downward trend.

    Quoted message said:
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    It works when we work - simple. Tonight I probably reacted to the good results and ate too much
    candy and then some Trader Joe gorp (sigh)

    Quoted message said:

    hehehe - I think we all do that. If we're gonna splurge, it's gonna be AFTER we weigh in.
    Tonite I'm happily munching away on one points worth of dried apple rings. They take me forever
    to eat. <G>

    Yes, one member of the WW group has free-day after WI. She eats anything and as much as she wants.
    He release mechanism and since she has lost over 90 lbs, I guess it can work.

    Quoted message said:

    Joyce

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