RAFL wk 3/THTP wk 7 - Laura (LJ)



I just avoid bakerys like the plague. Easiest way of avoiding the tempation. At a friends house it
is a lot harder. I find it very hard to eat properly when I am around her. She needs to lose plenty
of weight herself plus she is now a diabetic and should not be having this stuff. I don't think
she'll ever get "IT". Unfortunately she's my social buddy.

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Those kind of cookies use to be a once to twice a week staple. Now, maybe twice in more than a
> year and when a hiking trip is planned. Resist at the bakery is what it takes. Now if they were at
> a friend's house...... that would be harder
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 03:17:21 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Lesanne. Let's hope it works. I did blow it tonight at a friends house. She brought out
> >these huge chocolate chip cookies for us. I have
no
> >clue as to how many points they were. These cookies must have been 6
inches
> >in diameter. But they were soooo good.
> >
> >"Lesanne" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:p[email protected]...
> >> Great week Laura, that is really good, a loss, and Life too :)
> >>
> >> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:EsRQb.12495$6O4.386165@bgtnsc04-
> >> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> > RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> >> >
> >> > I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week
out
> >> good
> >> > and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to
move
> >> > anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily fluctuations
> >> landed
> >> > on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby Tuesdays.
One
> >> > bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has
been
> >> so
> >> > cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I wanted
> >soup
> >> to
> >> > warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up on veggies and added 1/4
> >> > cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
> >> protein.
> >> > For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
> >> Wouldn't
> >> > you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the
soup. I
> >> was
> >> > so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps
> >flush
> >> > the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> >
> >> > My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT
except
> >on
> >> > days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way
to
> >> > properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low and make
> >> better
> >> > choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
September
> >is
> >> > eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3
nights a
> >> > week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
exactly
> >> how
> >> > they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those meal.
> >Truth
> >> > be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks.
So
> >now
> >> I
> >> > am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is
how
> >I
> >> > was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far it
is
> >> > working again.
> >> >
> >> > Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> >
> >> > THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > ~~Laura (LJ)~~
> >> > 245.6/212.5/150
> >> > 216/212.5/205 RAFL started WW 4/21/03
> >> >
> >>
> >
 
Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast track plan worked very well for
you. How long are you planning on sticking with it? I thought it was only a 2 week program, but I
really didn't look overly close at it. My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
that, you could possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your body requires
many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL

Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good luck this week!

Joyce

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:

>RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
>
>I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week out good and dropped the 2.5 lbs
>by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to move anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the
>daily fluctuations landed on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby Tuesdays. One
>bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has been so cold and windy here
>lately with no sign of it letting up so I wanted soup to warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar
>for dinner. I loaded up on veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
>protein. For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding. Wouldn't you know it
>yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the soup. I was so glad to see the 2lbs gone this
>morning. WATER {glug} truly helps flush the extra salt from our bodies.
>
>My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT except on days that I eat out. This
>is part of my WOL so I need to find a way to properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will
>eat low and make better choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since September is
>eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3 nights a week. I'm not very good at
>calculating points when I don't know exactly how they made a dish so I probably under estimated my
>points those meal. Truth be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks. So now
>I am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is how I was doing it last
>summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far it is working again.
>
>Inches: 2.75" (total)
>
>THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
 
It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but not as low as 20 points. I want to
ease back to the old mininum of 24 and switch to the old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days
that I am OP. yesterday was 18 and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT
this is only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather permitting) is Chinese buffet
night. I need to have enough points to cover that. Eating low on all of the other days is what
worked this summer. We'll see how long this works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan
does not seem to fit my life style.

"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast track
plan
> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking with it?
I
> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look overly
close at it.
> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than that, you
could
> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your body
requires
> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
>
> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good luck
this week!
>
> Joyce
>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> >
> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week out
good
> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to move anymore. I did see 211.5
> >one day this week but the daily fluctuations
landed
> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby Tuesdays. One bowl did have the cheese
> >& bread but the second one did not. It has been
so
> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I wanted soup
to
> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up on veggies and added 1/4
> >cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
protein.
> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
Wouldn't
> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the soup. I
was
> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps flush the extra salt from our
> >bodies.
> >
> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT except on days that I eat out.
> >This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way to properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I
> >will eat low and make
better
> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since September is eating my target &
> >Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3 nights a week. I'm not very good at calculating
> >points when I don't know exactly
how
> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those meal.
Truth
> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks. So
now I
> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is how I was doing it last
> >summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far it is working again.
> >
> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >
> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
 
That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also incorporating dining out into the plan,
which sounds to me like maybe this is just an adjusted form of the Wendy plan. So far I haven't
really been able to get the flex plan to work very well for me ... probably just something in my
head that is refusing to kick in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
Having that huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't work for me. So
back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of success!

Joyce

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:

>It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but not as low as 20 points. I want
>to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and switch to the old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on
>days that I am OP. yesterday was 18 and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
>BUT this is only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather permitting) is Chinese
>buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that. Eating low on all of the other days is
>what worked this summer. We'll see how long this works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex
>plan does not seem to fit my life style.
>
>"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast track
>plan
>> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking with it?
>I
>> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look overly
>close at it.
>> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than that, you
>could
>> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your body
>requires
>> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
>>
>> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good luck
>this week!
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
>> >
>> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week out
>good
>> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to move anymore. I did see 211.5
>> >one day this week but the daily fluctuations
>landed
>> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby Tuesdays. One bowl did have the
>> >cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has been
>so
>> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I wanted soup
>to
>> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up on veggies and added 1/4
>> >cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
>protein.
>> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
>Wouldn't
>> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the soup. I
>was
>> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps flush the extra salt from
>> >our bodies.
>> >
>> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT except on days that I eat out.
>> >This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way to properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I
>> >will eat low and make
>better
>> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since September is eating my target &
>> >Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3 nights a week. I'm not very good at calculating
>> >points when I don't know exactly
>how
>> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those meal.
>Truth
>> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks. So
>now I
>> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is how I was doing it last
>> >summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far it is working again.
>> >
>> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
>> >
>> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
 
isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex works even
better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee
Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also incorporating
dining
> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an adjusted
form of
> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex plan to
work
> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is refusing
to kick
> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little. Having
that
> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't work
for me.
> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of success!
>
> Joyce
>
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but not as
low
> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and switch to
the
> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP. yesterday was
18
> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT this
is
> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather permitting) is Chinese buffet night. I
> >need to have enough points to cover that. Eating
low
> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how long
this
> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not seem to
fit
> >my life style.
> >
> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast
track
> >plan
> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking with
it?
> >I
> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look overly
> >close at it.
> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than that, you
> >could
> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your
body
> >requires
> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> >>
> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good luck
> >this week!
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> >> >
> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week out
> >good
> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to
move
> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily fluctuations
> >landed
> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby Tuesdays.
One
> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has
been
> >so
> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I wanted
soup
> >to
> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up on veggies and added 1/4
> >> >cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
> >protein.
> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
> >Wouldn't
> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the soup.
I
> >was
> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps
flush
> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> >
> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT except
on
> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way to properly incorporate it
> >> >into my eating. So...I will eat low and make
> >better
> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since September
is
> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3 nights
a
> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
exactly
> >how
> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those meal.
> >Truth
> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks. So
> >now I
> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is
how I
> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far it
is
> >> >working again.
> >> >
> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> >
> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >
 
I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance - then again, it's probably
just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that there are extra points available is one
thing ... trying to hold tight and having them flaunting themselves in my face is something else
entirely. <G> I think I'm the sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
system works better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off my butt and work
for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I don't mind using the old program at all,
I only wish the online website would allow us to have a choice of which journal to use, instead of
forcing the issue.

Joyce

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette" <[email protected]> wrote:

>isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex works even better than the old
>one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also incorporating
>dining
>> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an adjusted
>form of
>> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex plan to
>work
>> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is refusing
>to kick
>> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little. Having
>that
>> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't work
>for me.
>> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of success!
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but not as
>low
>> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and switch to
>the
>> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP. yesterday was
>18
>> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT this
>is
>> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather permitting) is Chinese buffet night.
>> >I need to have enough points to cover that. Eating
>low
>> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how long
>this
>> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not seem to
>fit
>> >my life style.
>> >
>> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast
>track
>> >plan
>> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking with
>it?
>> >I
>> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look overly
>> >close at it.
>> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than that, you
>> >could
>> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your
>body
>> >requires
>> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
>> >>
>> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good luck
>> >this week!
>> >>
>> >> Joyce
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
>> >> >
>> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week out
>> >good
>> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to
>move
>> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily fluctuations
>> >landed
>> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby Tuesdays.
>One
>> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has
>been
>> >so
>> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I wanted
>soup
>> >to
>> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up on veggies and added 1/4
>> >> >cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
>> >protein.
>> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
>> >Wouldn't
>> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the soup.
>I
>> >was
>> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps
>flush
>> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
>> >> >
>> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT except
>on
>> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way to properly incorporate
>> >> >it into my eating. So...I will eat low and make
>> >better
>> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since September
>is
>> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3 nights
>a
>> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
>exactly
>> >how
>> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those meal.
>> >Truth
>> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks. So
>> >now I
>> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is
>how I
>> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far it
>is
>> >> >working again.
>> >> >
>> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
>> >> >
>> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
>> >>
>
 
I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the journal
one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even different from
the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to get the
extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my
treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex points I
can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end of
the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not support
the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than it
is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with
formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee
Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance - then
again,
> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
there are
> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and having
them
> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I think
I'm the
> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking system
works
> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off my
butt and
> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I don't
mind using
> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us to
have a
> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
>
> Joyce
>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex works
even
> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
incorporating
> >dining
> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
adjusted
> >form of
> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex plan
to
> >work
> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
refusing
> >to kick
> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
Having
> >that
> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't
work
> >for me.
> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
success!
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but not
as
> >low
> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and switch
to
> >the
> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP. yesterday
was
> >18
> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT
this
> >is
> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather permitting)
is
> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
Eating
> >low
> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how
long
> >this
> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not seem
to
> >fit
> >> >my life style.
> >> >
> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast
> >track
> >> >plan
> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking
with
> >it?
> >> >I
> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
overly
> >> >close at it.
> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than that,
you
> >> >could
> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your
> >body
> >> >requires
> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> >> >>
> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good
luck
> >> >this week!
> >> >>
> >> >> Joyce
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week
out
> >> >good
> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to
> >move
> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
fluctuations
> >> >landed
> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
Tuesdays.
> >One
> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has
> >been
> >> >so
> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
wanted
> >soup
> >> >to
> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up
on
> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
> >> >protein.
> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
> >> >Wouldn't
> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the
soup.
> >I
> >> >was
> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps
> >flush
> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT
except
> >on
> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way
to
> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low and
make
> >> >better
> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
September
> >is
> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3
nights
> >a
> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
> >exactly
> >> >how
> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
meal.
> >> >Truth
> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks.
So
> >> >now I
> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is
> >how I
> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far
it
> >is
> >> >> >working again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >> >>
> >>
 
I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either, since they have the older
type journaling available for other countries. WW website does need to get with things a bit. It's
good, but could be soooooo much better. I have never seen the paper journals handed out at the
meetings. What is different about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
differences. Isn't it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with the
flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old system. And eating less is not
necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in my head about the possibility of overeating -
yet the math works out to pretty much the same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what
we should stick with.
<G>

Joyce

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the journal one thing DH pointed out
>is that the on line journal is even different from the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated
>depriving myself to get the extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my
>treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex points I can ignore them for the
>most part and if there are any left at the end of the week I can have a treat. I think it is a
>shame that WW does not support the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
>than it is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
>compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance - then
>again,
>> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
>there are
>> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and having
>them
>> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I think
>I'm the
>> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking system
>works
>> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off my
>butt and
>> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I don't
>mind using
>> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us to
>have a
>> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
><[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex works
>even
>> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
>incorporating
>> >dining
>> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
>adjusted
>> >form of
>> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex plan
>to
>> >work
>> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
>refusing
>> >to kick
>> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
>Having
>> >that
>> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't
>work
>> >for me.
>> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
>success!
>> >>
>> >> Joyce
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but not
>as
>> >low
>> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and switch
>to
>> >the
>> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP. yesterday
>was
>> >18
>> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT
>this
>> >is
>> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather permitting)
>is
>> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
>Eating
>> >low
>> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how
>long
>> >this
>> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not seem
>to
>> >fit
>> >> >my life style.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the fast
>> >track
>> >> >plan
>> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking
>with
>> >it?
>> >> >I
>> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
>overly
>> >> >close at it.
>> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than that,
>you
>> >> >could
>> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where your
>> >body
>> >> >requires
>> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good
>luck
>> >> >this week!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Joyce
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the week
>out
>> >> >good
>> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want to
>> >move
>> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
>fluctuations
>> >> >landed
>> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
>Tuesdays.
>> >One
>> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It has
>> >been
>> >> >so
>> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
>wanted
>> >soup
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded up
>on
>> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese for
>> >> >protein.
>> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate pudding.
>> >> >Wouldn't
>> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the
>soup.
>> >I
>> >> >was
>> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly helps
>> >flush
>> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT
>except
>> >on
>> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a way
>to
>> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low and
>make
>> >> >better
>> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
>September
>> >is
>> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3
>nights
>> >a
>> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
>> >exactly
>> >> >how
>> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
>meal.
>> >> >Truth
>> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those weeks.
>So
>> >> >now I
>> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This is
>> >how I
>> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So far
>it
>> >is
>> >> >> >working again.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
 
Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American Express gift card for xmas so
that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I also bought an exercise tape for days that I can't
make it to curves plus a digital food scale to replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that will
help things along.

Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
those meals as replacement meals for those had at home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think
this summer when we went out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and
husband were always there keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a
lot harder to stay OP. I will have to work on that one.

The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of having the same things for
breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for breakfast. For lunches this
week it will be different everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll add
sandwiches in every once in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus jello
or yogart for dessert. Dinner has always been different each night so that's not a problem. I'm
going to give the Flex plan another try before switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make it a
point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who knows any more.

"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
since they
> have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW website
does
> need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
better. I
> have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What is
different
> about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the differences.
Isn't
> it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with the flexpoint system I
> actually eat less than I did when using the old system.
And
> eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in my
head
> about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
much the
> same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should stick
with.
> <G>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the journal one thing DH pointed
> >out is that the on line journal is even different
from
> >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to get
the
> >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my treat wouldn't work out
> >so I would get gypped. Now with the flex points
I
> >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end of the week I can have a
> >treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
support
> >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than
it
> >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
> >compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance -
then
> >again,
> >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
> >there are
> >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and having
> >them
> >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
think
> >I'm the
> >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
system
> >works
> >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off my
> >butt and
> >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I don't
> >mind using
> >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us
to
> >have a
> >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> ><[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
works
> >even
> >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> >incorporating
> >> >dining
> >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> >adjusted
> >> >form of
> >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex
plan
> >to
> >> >work
> >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> >refusing
> >> >to kick
> >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
> >Having
> >> >that
> >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't
> >work
> >> >for me.
> >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> >success!
> >> >>
> >> >> Joyce
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but
not
> >as
> >> >low
> >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
switch
> >to
> >> >the
> >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
yesterday
> >was
> >> >18
> >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT
> >this
> >> >is
> >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
permitting)
> >is
> >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
> >Eating
> >> >low
> >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how
> >long
> >> >this
> >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not
seem
> >to
> >> >fit
> >> >> >my life style.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the
fast
> >> >track
> >> >> >plan
> >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking
> >with
> >> >it?
> >> >> >I
> >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
> >overly
> >> >> >close at it.
> >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
that,
> >you
> >> >> >could
> >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where
your
> >> >body
> >> >> >requires
> >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good
> >luck
> >> >> >this week!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Joyce
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
<[email protected]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the
week
> >out
> >> >> >good
> >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want
to
> >> >move
> >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> >fluctuations
> >> >> >landed
> >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> >Tuesdays.
> >> >One
> >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It
has
> >> >been
> >> >> >so
> >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
> >wanted
> >> >soup
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded
up
> >on
> >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese
for
> >> >> >protein.
> >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
pudding.
> >> >> >Wouldn't
> >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the
> >soup.
> >> >I
> >> >> >was
> >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly
helps
> >> >flush
> >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT
> >except
> >> >on
> >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a
way
> >to
> >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low and
> >make
> >> >> >better
> >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> >September
> >> >is
> >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3
> >nights
> >> >a
> >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
> >> >exactly
> >> >> >how
> >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
> >meal.
> >> >> >Truth
> >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
weeks.
> >So
> >> >> >now I
> >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This
is
> >> >how I
> >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So
far
> >it
> >> >is
> >> >> >> >working again.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
 
the old paper journal was similar to what is on line now. The newer paper
one is more like a checkbook register, small and compact. Somebody who has
actually looked at it needs to describe it, all I had to hear was checkbook
and my brain switched off. The only good thing about the on line stuff is
that I have for the most part been able to do it by myself without a lot of
help from DH. It is weird how our brains work and even though we know we
need to adapt the program to fit our needs and they tell us that at meetings
it would be nice to see more practice of it, Lee
Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
since they
> have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW website
does
> need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
better. I
> have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What is
different
> about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the differences.
Isn't
> it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with the flexpoint system I
> actually eat less than I did when using the old system.
And
> eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in my
head
> about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
much the
> same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should stick
with.
> <G>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the journal one thing DH pointed
> >out is that the on line journal is even different
from
> >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to get
the
> >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my treat wouldn't work out
> >so I would get gypped. Now with the flex points
I
> >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end of the week I can have a
> >treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
support
> >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than
it
> >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
> >compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance -
then
> >again,
> >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
> >there are
> >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and having
> >them
> >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
think
> >I'm the
> >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
system
> >works
> >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off my
> >butt and
> >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I don't
> >mind using
> >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us
to
> >have a
> >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> ><[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
works
> >even
> >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> >incorporating
> >> >dining
> >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> >adjusted
> >> >form of
> >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex
plan
> >to
> >> >work
> >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> >refusing
> >> >to kick
> >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
> >Having
> >> >that
> >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't
> >work
> >> >for me.
> >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> >success!
> >> >>
> >> >> Joyce
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but
not
> >as
> >> >low
> >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
switch
> >to
> >> >the
> >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
yesterday
> >was
> >> >18
> >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT
> >this
> >> >is
> >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
permitting)
> >is
> >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
> >Eating
> >> >low
> >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how
> >long
> >> >this
> >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not
seem
> >to
> >> >fit
> >> >> >my life style.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the
fast
> >> >track
> >> >> >plan
> >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking
> >with
> >> >it?
> >> >> >I
> >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
> >overly
> >> >> >close at it.
> >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
that,
> >you
> >> >> >could
> >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where
your
> >> >body
> >> >> >requires
> >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good
> >luck
> >> >> >this week!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Joyce
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
<[email protected]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the
week
> >out
> >> >> >good
> >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want
to
> >> >move
> >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> >fluctuations
> >> >> >landed
> >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> >Tuesdays.
> >> >One
> >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It
has
> >> >been
> >> >> >so
> >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
> >wanted
> >> >soup
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded
up
> >on
> >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese
for
> >> >> >protein.
> >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
pudding.
> >> >> >Wouldn't
> >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the
> >soup.
> >> >I
> >> >> >was
> >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly
helps
> >> >flush
> >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT
> >except
> >> >on
> >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a
way
> >to
> >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low and
> >make
> >> >> >better
> >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> >September
> >> >is
> >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3
> >nights
> >> >a
> >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
> >> >exactly
> >> >> >how
> >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
> >meal.
> >> >> >Truth
> >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
weeks.
> >So
> >> >> >now I
> >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This
is
> >> >how I
> >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So
far
> >it
> >> >is
> >> >> >> >working again.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
 
You are going to be doing great, says she who cannot do it without her
meeting :):). .. ..

"Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
Express
> gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I also bought an exercise tape
> for days that I can't make it to curves plus a digital food scale to replace my 20 year old manual
> scale. Maybe that will help things along.
>
> Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
> those meals as replacement meals for those had at home. No splurging or over sized portions. I
> think this summer when we
went
> out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always there
> keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to stay OP. I
> will have to
work
> on that one.
>
> The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of having the same things for
> breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for breakfast. For lunches
> this week it will be different everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll
> add sandwiches in every once in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus
> jello or yogart for dessert. Dinner has always
been
> different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the Flex plan another try before
> switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make it
a
> point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
> watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who knows any more.
>
> "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
> since they
> > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
website
> does
> > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
> better. I
> > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What is
> different
> > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
differences.
> Isn't
> > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
the
> > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
system.
> And
> > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in
my
> head
> > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
> much the
> > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
stick
> with.
> > <G>
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
journal
> > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even different
> from
> > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
get
> the
> > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my treat wouldn't work out
> > >so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
points
> I
> > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end
of
> > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
> support
> > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than
> it
> > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
> > >compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance -
> then
> > >again,
> > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
> > >there are
> > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
having
> > >them
> > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
> think
> > >I'm the
> > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
> system
> > >works
> > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
my
> > >butt and
> > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
don't
> > >mind using
> > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us
> to
> > >have a
> > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> > >>
> > >> Joyce
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
> works
> > >even
> > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> > >incorporating
> > >> >dining
> > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> > >adjusted
> > >> >form of
> > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex
> plan
> > >to
> > >> >work
> > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> > >refusing
> > >> >to kick
> > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
> > >Having
> > >> >that
> > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
doesn't
> > >work
> > >> >for me.
> > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> > >success!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Joyce
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
> > >wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but
> not
> > >as
> > >> >low
> > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
> switch
> > >to
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> yesterday
> > >was
> > >> >18
> > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
BUT
> > >this
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> permitting)
> > >is
> > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
> > >Eating
> > >> >low
> > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
how
> > >long
> > >> >this
> > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not
> seem
> > >to
> > >> >fit
> > >> >> >my life style.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the
> fast
> > >> >track
> > >> >> >plan
> > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
sticking
> > >with
> > >> >it?
> > >> >> >I
> > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
> > >overly
> > >> >> >close at it.
> > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
> that,
> > >you
> > >> >> >could
> > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where
> your
> > >> >body
> > >> >> >requires
> > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
good
> > >luck
> > >> >> >this week!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Joyce
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> <[email protected]>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the
> week
> > >out
> > >> >> >good
> > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
want
> to
> > >> >move
> > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> > >fluctuations
> > >> >> >landed
> > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> > >Tuesdays.
> > >> >One
> > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
It
> has
> > >> >been
> > >> >> >so
> > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
> > >wanted
> > >> >soup
> > >> >> >to
> > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
loaded
> up
> > >on
> > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
cheese
> for
> > >> >> >protein.
> > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
> pudding.
> > >> >> >Wouldn't
> > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
the
> > >soup.
> > >> >I
> > >> >> >was
> > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly
> helps
> > >> >flush
> > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
FT
> > >except
> > >> >on
> > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find
a
> way
> > >to
> > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
and
> > >make
> > >> >> >better
> > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> > >September
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
2-3
> > >nights
> > >> >a
> > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
know
> > >> >exactly
> > >> >> >how
> > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
> > >meal.
> > >> >> >Truth
> > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
> weeks.
> > >So
> > >> >> >now I
> > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
This
> is
> > >> >how I
> > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So
> far
> > >it
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >> >working again.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
 
On the few rare occasions when I have had ice cream out, I have asked for half a scoop and the
response has been that's not enough and I've had to emphasize that was all I wanted and I would pay
for the larger quantity but did not want it in the cup or on the cone. Yup, portion control.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:54:32 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Thanks Lesanne. I'm trying really hard. I did discover tonight what I thought was a 1/2 cup of
>sherbet was the kiddie size and not the small as we have been getting. oops. When DH and DD went
>out to the ice cream store (we know the owner) I said "tell jane 1/2 cup serving". I was getting
>too many points for my dessert. oops. Portion control...portion control....
>
>"Lesanne" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> You are going to be doing great, says she who cannot do it without her meeting :):). .. ..
>>
>> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
>> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> > Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
>> Express
>> > gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I
>also
>> > bought an exercise tape for days that I can't make it to curves plus a digital food scale to
>> > replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that
>will
>> > help things along.
>> >
>> > Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to
>> > treat those meals as replacement meals for those had
>at
>> > home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think this summer when we
>> went
>> > out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always there
>> > keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to stay
>> > OP. I will have to
>> work
>> > on that one.
>> >
>> > The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of
>having
>> > the same things for breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for
>> > breakfast. For lunches this week it will be
>different
>> > everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll add sandwiches in every once
>> > in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus jello or yogart for
>> > dessert. Dinner has always
>> been
>> > different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the Flex plan another try
>> > before switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make
>it
>> a
>> > point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
>> > watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who
>knows
>> > any more.
>> >
>> > "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> > > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
>> > since they
>> > > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
>> website
>> > does
>> > > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
>> > better. I
>> > > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What
>is
>> > different
>> > > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
>> differences.
>> > Isn't
>> > > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
>> the
>> > > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
>> system.
>> > And
>> > > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something
>in
>> my
>> > head
>> > > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
>> > much the
>> > > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
>> stick
>> > with.
>> > > <G>
>> > >
>> > > Joyce
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
>> > <[email protected]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
>> journal
>> > > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even
>different
>> > from
>> > > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
>> get
>> > the
>> > > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried
>my
>> > > >treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
>> points
>> > I
>> > > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the
>end
>> of
>> > > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
>> > support
>> > > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
>than
>> > it
>> > > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help
>with
>> > > >formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > >news:[email protected]...
>> > > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around
>maintenance -
>> > then
>> > > >again,
>> > > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing
>that
>> > > >there are
>> > > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
>> having
>> > > >them
>> > > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
>> > think
>> > > >I'm the
>> > > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
>> > system
>> > > >works
>> > > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
>> my
>> > > >butt and
>> > > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
>> don't
>> > > >mind using
>> > > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow
>us
>> > to
>> > > >have a
>> > > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Joyce
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
>> > > ><[email protected]>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
>> > works
>> > > >even
>> > > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > > >> >message news:[email protected]...
>> > > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
>> > > >incorporating
>> > > >> >dining
>> > > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
>> > > >adjusted
>> > > >> >form of
>> > > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the
>flex
>> > plan
>> > > >to
>> > > >> >work
>> > > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
>> > > >refusing
>> > > >> >to kick
>> > > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too
>little.
>> > > >Having
>> > > >> >that
>> > > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
>> doesn't
>> > > >work
>> > > >> >for me.
>> > > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
>> > > >success!
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Joyce
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura"
><[email protected]>
>> > > >wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer
>but
>> > not
>> > > >as
>> > > >> >low
>> > > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
>> > switch
>> > > >to
>> > > >> >the
>> > > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
>> > yesterday
>> > > >was
>> > > >> >18
>> > > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
>> BUT
>> > > >this
>> > > >> >is
>> > > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
>> > permitting)
>> > > >is
>> > > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover
>that.
>> > > >Eating
>> > > >> >low
>> > > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
>> how
>> > > >long
>> > > >> >this
>> > > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does
>not
>> > seem
>> > > >to
>> > > >> >fit
>> > > >> >> >my life style.
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> > > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like
>the
>> > fast
>> > > >> >track
>> > > >> >> >plan
>> > > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
>> sticking
>> > > >with
>> > > >> >it?
>> > > >> >> >I
>> > > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't
>look
>> > > >overly
>> > > >> >> >close at it.
>> > > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
>> > that,
>> > > >you
>> > > >> >> >could
>> > > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range
>where
>> > your
>> > > >> >body
>> > > >> >> >requires
>> > > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
>> > > >> >> >>
>> > > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
>> good
>> > > >luck
>> > > >> >> >this week!
>> > > >> >> >>
>> > > >> >> >> Joyce
>> > > >> >> >>
>> > > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
>> > <[email protected]>
>> > > >> >wrote:
>> > > >> >> >>
>> > > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1
>lbs.
>> > > >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started
>the
>> > week
>> > > >out
>> > > >> >> >good
>> > > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
>> want
>> > to
>> > > >> >move
>> > > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
>> > > >fluctuations
>> > > >> >> >landed
>> > > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
>> > > >Tuesdays.
>> > > >> >One
>> > > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
>> It
>> > has
>> > > >> >been
>> > > >> >> >so
>> > > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so
>I
>> > > >wanted
>> > > >> >soup
>> > > >> >> >to
>> > > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
>> loaded
>> > up
>> > > >on
>> > > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
>> cheese
>> > for
>> > > >> >> >protein.
>> > > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
>> > pudding.
>> > > >> >> >Wouldn't
>> > > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
>> the
>> > > >soup.
>> > > >> >I
>> > > >> >> >was
>> > > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug}
>truly
>> > helps
>> > > >> >flush
>> > > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
>> > > >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
>> FT
>> > > >except
>> > > >> >on
>> > > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to
>find
>> a
>> > way
>> > > >to
>> > > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
>> and
>> > > >make
>> > > >> >> >better
>> > > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
>> > > >September
>> > > >> >is
>> > > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
>> 2-3
>> > > >nights
>> > > >> >a
>> > > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
>> know
>> > > >> >exactly
>> > > >> >> >how
>> > > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points
>those
>> > > >meal.
>> > > >> >> >Truth
>> > > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
>> > weeks.
>> > > >So
>> > > >> >> >now I
>> > > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
>> This
>> > is
>> > > >> >how I
>> > > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked.
>So
>> > far
>> > > >it
>> > > >> >is
>> > > >> >> >> >working again.
>> > > >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
>> > > >> >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
>> > > >> >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>
 
I think you have made a great start. Let us know how it works. I admit I
do eat out a bunch and the reason it works for me is that I try and keep the
same eating pattern. When I want something that comes in a huge portion I
just get a to go box and put half in to start with so I am not tempted to
"just finish it off"... Good luck, Lee
Laura <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
Express
> gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I also bought an exercise tape
> for days that I can't make it to curves plus a digital food scale to replace my 20 year old manual
> scale. Maybe that will help things along.
>
> Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
> those meals as replacement meals for those had at home. No splurging or over sized portions. I
> think this summer when we
went
> out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always there
> keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to stay OP. I
> will have to
work
> on that one.
>
> The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of having the same things for
> breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for breakfast. For lunches
> this week it will be different everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll
> add sandwiches in every once in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus
> jello or yogart for dessert. Dinner has always
been
> different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the Flex plan another try before
> switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make it
a
> point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
> watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who knows any more.
>
> "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
> since they
> > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
website
> does
> > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
> better. I
> > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What is
> different
> > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
differences.
> Isn't
> > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
the
> > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
system.
> And
> > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in
my
> head
> > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
> much the
> > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
stick
> with.
> > <G>
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
journal
> > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even different
> from
> > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
get
> the
> > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my treat wouldn't work out
> > >so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
points
> I
> > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end
of
> > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
> support
> > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than
> it
> > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
> > >compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance -
> then
> > >again,
> > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
> > >there are
> > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
having
> > >them
> > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
> think
> > >I'm the
> > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
> system
> > >works
> > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
my
> > >butt and
> > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
don't
> > >mind using
> > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us
> to
> > >have a
> > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> > >>
> > >> Joyce
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
> works
> > >even
> > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> > >incorporating
> > >> >dining
> > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> > >adjusted
> > >> >form of
> > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex
> plan
> > >to
> > >> >work
> > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> > >refusing
> > >> >to kick
> > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
> > >Having
> > >> >that
> > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
doesn't
> > >work
> > >> >for me.
> > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> > >success!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Joyce
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
> > >wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but
> not
> > >as
> > >> >low
> > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
> switch
> > >to
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> yesterday
> > >was
> > >> >18
> > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
BUT
> > >this
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> permitting)
> > >is
> > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
> > >Eating
> > >> >low
> > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
how
> > >long
> > >> >this
> > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not
> seem
> > >to
> > >> >fit
> > >> >> >my life style.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the
> fast
> > >> >track
> > >> >> >plan
> > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
sticking
> > >with
> > >> >it?
> > >> >> >I
> > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
> > >overly
> > >> >> >close at it.
> > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
> that,
> > >you
> > >> >> >could
> > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where
> your
> > >> >body
> > >> >> >requires
> > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
good
> > >luck
> > >> >> >this week!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Joyce
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> <[email protected]>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the
> week
> > >out
> > >> >> >good
> > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
want
> to
> > >> >move
> > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> > >fluctuations
> > >> >> >landed
> > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> > >Tuesdays.
> > >> >One
> > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
It
> has
> > >> >been
> > >> >> >so
> > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
> > >wanted
> > >> >soup
> > >> >> >to
> > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
loaded
> up
> > >on
> > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
cheese
> for
> > >> >> >protein.
> > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
> pudding.
> > >> >> >Wouldn't
> > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
the
> > >soup.
> > >> >I
> > >> >> >was
> > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly
> helps
> > >> >flush
> > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
FT
> > >except
> > >> >on
> > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find
a
> way
> > >to
> > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
and
> > >make
> > >> >> >better
> > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> > >September
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
2-3
> > >nights
> > >> >a
> > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
know
> > >> >exactly
> > >> >> >how
> > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
> > >meal.
> > >> >> >Truth
> > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
> weeks.
> > >So
> > >> >> >now I
> > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
This
> is
> > >> >how I
> > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So
> far
> > >it
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >> >working again.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
 
I got the check book version for the first time yesterday. I'll be sticking with my excel
spreadsheet as I don't like not seeing how many total points I have eaten for the day or how many
flex points are left at the same time.

"Miss Violette" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
berlin.de...
> the old paper journal was similar to what is on line now. The newer paper one is more like a
> checkbook register, small and compact. Somebody who
has
> actually looked at it needs to describe it, all I had to hear was
checkbook
> and my brain switched off. The only good thing about the on line stuff is that I have for the most
> part been able to do it by myself without a lot
of
> help from DH. It is weird how our brains work and even though we know we need to adapt the program
> to fit our needs and they tell us that at
meetings
> it would be nice to see more practice of it, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
> since they
> > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
website
> does
> > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
> better. I
> > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What is
> different
> > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
differences.
> Isn't
> > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
the
> > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
system.
> And
> > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in
my
> head
> > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
> much the
> > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
stick
> with.
> > <G>
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
journal
> > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even different
> from
> > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
get
> the
> > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my treat wouldn't work out
> > >so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
points
> I
> > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end
of
> > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
> support
> > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than
> it
> > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
> > >compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance -
> then
> > >again,
> > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
> > >there are
> > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
having
> > >them
> > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
> think
> > >I'm the
> > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
> system
> > >works
> > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
my
> > >butt and
> > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
don't
> > >mind using
> > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us
> to
> > >have a
> > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> > >>
> > >> Joyce
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
> works
> > >even
> > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> > >incorporating
> > >> >dining
> > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> > >adjusted
> > >> >form of
> > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex
> plan
> > >to
> > >> >work
> > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> > >refusing
> > >> >to kick
> > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
> > >Having
> > >> >that
> > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
doesn't
> > >work
> > >> >for me.
> > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> > >success!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Joyce
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
> > >wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but
> not
> > >as
> > >> >low
> > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
> switch
> > >to
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> yesterday
> > >was
> > >> >18
> > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
BUT
> > >this
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> permitting)
> > >is
> > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
> > >Eating
> > >> >low
> > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
how
> > >long
> > >> >this
> > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not
> seem
> > >to
> > >> >fit
> > >> >> >my life style.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the
> fast
> > >> >track
> > >> >> >plan
> > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
sticking
> > >with
> > >> >it?
> > >> >> >I
> > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
> > >overly
> > >> >> >close at it.
> > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
> that,
> > >you
> > >> >> >could
> > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where
> your
> > >> >body
> > >> >> >requires
> > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
good
> > >luck
> > >> >> >this week!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Joyce
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> <[email protected]>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the
> week
> > >out
> > >> >> >good
> > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
want
> to
> > >> >move
> > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> > >fluctuations
> > >> >> >landed
> > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> > >Tuesdays.
> > >> >One
> > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
It
> has
> > >> >been
> > >> >> >so
> > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
> > >wanted
> > >> >soup
> > >> >> >to
> > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
loaded
> up
> > >on
> > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
cheese
> for
> > >> >> >protein.
> > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
> pudding.
> > >> >> >Wouldn't
> > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
the
> > >soup.
> > >> >I
> > >> >> >was
> > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly
> helps
> > >> >flush
> > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
FT
> > >except
> > >> >on
> > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find
a
> way
> > >to
> > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
and
> > >make
> > >> >> >better
> > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> > >September
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
2-3
> > >nights
> > >> >a
> > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
know
> > >> >exactly
> > >> >> >how
> > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
> > >meal.
> > >> >> >Truth
> > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
> weeks.
> > >So
> > >> >> >now I
> > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
This
> is
> > >> >how I
> > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So
> far
> > >it
> > >> >is
> > >> >> >> >working again.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
>
 
It certainly can be a guessing game when we hit a stall for a lengthy period of time. Sounds like
you have a good plan of attack in place, and maybe officially rejoining will get you back in step.
You may have been doing something as easily as overestimating portions or guessing at those *out*
meals - very easy to do but can put us out of sync. I never did vary breakfast or lunch very much -
kind of went in spurts. I'd buy a box of cereal, eat it til it's gone then move on to something
different. Have you thought about moving away from the heavier carb breakfasts, maybe? I notice you
said you bought a different cereal and waffles ... what about making some eggs or fruit for a change
of pace? And do be careful with those quickie boxed lunches ... lots of sodium there (if it affects
you) ... remember to push that water. <G>

Here's hoping that a loss will greet you this next week!

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:05:37 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American Express gift card for xmas so
>that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I also bought an exercise tape for days that I can't
>make it to curves plus a digital food scale to replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that will
>help things along.
>
>Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
>those meals as replacement meals for those had at home. No splurging or over sized portions. I
>think this summer when we went out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother
>and husband were always there keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it
>is a lot harder to stay OP. I will have to work on that one.
>
>The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of having the same things for
>breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for breakfast. For lunches
>this week it will be different everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll
>add sandwiches in every once in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus
>jello or yogart for dessert. Dinner has always been different each night so that's not a problem.
>I'm going to give the Flex plan another try before switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make
>it a point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more
>eyes watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who knows any more.
>
>"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
>since they
>> have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW website
>does
>> need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
>better. I
>> have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What is
>different
>> about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the differences.
>Isn't
>> it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with the flexpoint system I
>> actually eat less than I did when using the old system.
>And
>> eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something in my
>head
>> about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
>much the
>> same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should stick
>with.
>> <G>
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
><[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the journal one thing DH pointed
>> >out is that the on line journal is even different
>from
>> >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to get
>the
>> >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried my treat wouldn't work out
>> >so I would get gypped. Now with the flex points
>I
>> >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the end of the week I can have a
>> >treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
>support
>> >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more than
>it
>> >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help with formatting and speech
>> >compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around maintenance -
>then
>> >again,
>> >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing that
>> >there are
>> >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and having
>> >them
>> >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
>think
>> >I'm the
>> >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
>system
>> >works
>> >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off my
>> >butt and
>> >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I don't
>> >mind using
>> >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow us
>to
>> >have a
>> >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
>> >>
>> >> Joyce
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
>> ><[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
>works
>> >even
>> >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
>> >incorporating
>> >> >dining
>> >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
>> >adjusted
>> >> >form of
>> >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the flex
>plan
>> >to
>> >> >work
>> >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
>> >refusing
>> >> >to kick
>> >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too little.
>> >Having
>> >> >that
>> >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary - doesn't
>> >work
>> >> >for me.
>> >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
>> >success!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Joyce
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer but
>not
>> >as
>> >> >low
>> >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
>switch
>> >to
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
>yesterday
>> >was
>> >> >18
>> >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed. BUT
>> >this
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
>permitting)
>> >is
>> >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover that.
>> >Eating
>> >> >low
>> >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see how
>> >long
>> >> >this
>> >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does not
>seem
>> >to
>> >> >fit
>> >> >> >my life style.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like the
>fast
>> >> >track
>> >> >> >plan
>> >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on sticking
>> >with
>> >> >it?
>> >> >> >I
>> >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't look
>> >overly
>> >> >> >close at it.
>> >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
>that,
>> >you
>> >> >> >could
>> >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range where
>your
>> >> >body
>> >> >> >requires
>> >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And good
>> >luck
>> >> >> >this week!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Joyce
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
><[email protected]>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1 lbs.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started the
>week
>> >out
>> >> >> >good
>> >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not want
>to
>> >> >move
>> >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
>> >fluctuations
>> >> >> >landed
>> >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
>> >Tuesdays.
>> >> >One
>> >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not. It
>has
>> >> >been
>> >> >> >so
>> >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so I
>> >wanted
>> >> >soup
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I loaded
>up
>> >on
>> >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage cheese
>for
>> >> >> >protein.
>> >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
>pudding.
>> >> >> >Wouldn't
>> >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in the
>> >soup.
>> >> >I
>> >> >> >was
>> >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug} truly
>helps
>> >> >flush
>> >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the FT
>> >except
>> >> >on
>> >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to find a
>way
>> >to
>> >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low and
>> >make
>> >> >> >better
>> >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
>> >September
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out 2-3
>> >nights
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't know
>> >> >exactly
>> >> >> >how
>> >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points those
>> >meal.
>> >> >> >Truth
>> >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
>weeks.
>> >So
>> >> >> >now I
>> >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out. This
>is
>> >> >how I
>> >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked. So
>far
>> >it
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >> >working again.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
 
Thanks Lesanne. I'm trying really hard. I did discover tonight what I thought was a 1/2 cup of
sherbet was the kiddie size and not the small as we have been getting. oops. When DH and DD went out
to the ice cream store (we know the owner) I said "tell jane 1/2 cup serving". I was getting too
many points for my dessert. oops. Portion control...portion control....

"Lesanne" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> You are going to be doing great, says she who cannot do it without her meeting :):). .. ..
>
> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
> Express
> > gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I
also
> > bought an exercise tape for days that I can't make it to curves plus a digital food scale to
> > replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that
will
> > help things along.
> >
> > Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
> > those meals as replacement meals for those had
at
> > home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think this summer when we
> went
> > out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always there
> > keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to stay OP.
> > I will have to
> work
> > on that one.
> >
> > The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of
having
> > the same things for breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for
> > breakfast. For lunches this week it will be
different
> > everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll add sandwiches in every once
> > in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus jello or yogart for
> > dessert. Dinner has always
> been
> > different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the Flex plan another try before
> > switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make
it
> a
> > point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
> > watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who
knows
> > any more.
> >
> > "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
> > since they
> > > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
> website
> > does
> > > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
> > better. I
> > > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What
is
> > different
> > > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
> differences.
> > Isn't
> > > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
> the
> > > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
> system.
> > And
> > > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something
in
> my
> > head
> > > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
> > much the
> > > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
> stick
> > with.
> > > <G>
> > >
> > > Joyce
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
> journal
> > > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even
different
> > from
> > > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
> get
> > the
> > > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried
my
> > > >treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
> points
> > I
> > > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the
end
> of
> > > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
> > support
> > > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
than
> > it
> > > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help
with
> > > >formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[email protected]...
> > > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around
maintenance -
> > then
> > > >again,
> > > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing
that
> > > >there are
> > > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
> having
> > > >them
> > > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
> > think
> > > >I'm the
> > > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
> > system
> > > >works
> > > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
> my
> > > >butt and
> > > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
> don't
> > > >mind using
> > > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow
us
> > to
> > > >have a
> > > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> > > >>
> > > >> Joyce
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > > ><[email protected]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
> > works
> > > >even
> > > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > >> >message news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> > > >incorporating
> > > >> >dining
> > > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> > > >adjusted
> > > >> >form of
> > > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the
flex
> > plan
> > > >to
> > > >> >work
> > > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> > > >refusing
> > > >> >to kick
> > > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too
little.
> > > >Having
> > > >> >that
> > > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
> doesn't
> > > >work
> > > >> >for me.
> > > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> > > >success!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Joyce
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura"
<[email protected]>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer
but
> > not
> > > >as
> > > >> >low
> > > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
> > switch
> > > >to
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> > yesterday
> > > >was
> > > >> >18
> > > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
> BUT
> > > >this
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> > permitting)
> > > >is
> > > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover
that.
> > > >Eating
> > > >> >low
> > > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
> how
> > > >long
> > > >> >this
> > > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does
not
> > seem
> > > >to
> > > >> >fit
> > > >> >> >my life style.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like
the
> > fast
> > > >> >track
> > > >> >> >plan
> > > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
> sticking
> > > >with
> > > >> >it?
> > > >> >> >I
> > > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't
look
> > > >overly
> > > >> >> >close at it.
> > > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
> > that,
> > > >you
> > > >> >> >could
> > > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range
where
> > your
> > > >> >body
> > > >> >> >requires
> > > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
> good
> > > >luck
> > > >> >> >this week!
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Joyce
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> > <[email protected]>
> > > >> >wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1
lbs.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started
the
> > week
> > > >out
> > > >> >> >good
> > > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
> want
> > to
> > > >> >move
> > > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> > > >fluctuations
> > > >> >> >landed
> > > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> > > >Tuesdays.
> > > >> >One
> > > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
> It
> > has
> > > >> >been
> > > >> >> >so
> > > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so
I
> > > >wanted
> > > >> >soup
> > > >> >> >to
> > > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
> loaded
> > up
> > > >on
> > > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
> cheese
> > for
> > > >> >> >protein.
> > > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
> > pudding.
> > > >> >> >Wouldn't
> > > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
> the
> > > >soup.
> > > >> >I
> > > >> >> >was
> > > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug}
truly
> > helps
> > > >> >flush
> > > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
> FT
> > > >except
> > > >> >on
> > > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to
find
> a
> > way
> > > >to
> > > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
> and
> > > >make
> > > >> >> >better
> > > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> > > >September
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
> 2-3
> > > >nights
> > > >> >a
> > > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
> know
> > > >> >exactly
> > > >> >> >how
> > > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points
those
> > > >meal.
> > > >> >> >Truth
> > > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
> > weeks.
> > > >So
> > > >> >> >now I
> > > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
> This
> > is
> > > >> >how I
> > > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked.
So
> > far
> > > >it
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >> >working again.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
 
yeah, what you said. Why do you suppose we always get arguments?

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On the few rare occasions when I have had ice cream out, I have asked for half a scoop and the
> response has been that's not enough and I've had to emphasize that was all I wanted and I would
> pay for the larger quantity but did not want it in the cup or on the cone. Yup, portion control.
>
> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:54:32 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Lesanne. I'm trying really hard. I did discover tonight what I thought was a 1/2 cup of
> >sherbet was the kiddie size and not the small as
we
> >have been getting. oops. When DH and DD went out to the ice cream store
(we
> >know the owner) I said "tell jane 1/2 cup serving". I was getting too
many
> >points for my dessert. oops. Portion control...portion control....
> >
> >"Lesanne" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> You are going to be doing great, says she who cannot do it without her meeting :):). .. ..
> >>
> >> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
> >> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> > Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
> >> Express
> >> > gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I
> >also
> >> > bought an exercise tape for days that I can't make it to curves plus
a
> >> > digital food scale to replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that
> >will
> >> > help things along.
> >> >
> >> > Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is
the
> >> > culprit. I need to treat those meals as replacement meals for those
had
> >at
> >> > home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think this summer when
we
> >> went
> >> > out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always
> >> > there keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to
> >> > stay OP. I will have
to
> >> work
> >> > on that one.
> >> >
> >> > The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of
> >having
> >> > the same things for breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and
another
> >> > brand of cereal for breakfast. For lunches this week it will be
> >different
> >> > everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll
add
> >> > sandwiches in every once in a while. I'll add a salad or
celery/carrot
> >> > sticks to the meal plus jello or yogart for dessert. Dinner has
always
> >> been
> >> > different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the
Flex
> >> > plan another try before switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll
make
> >it
> >> a
> >> > point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a
loss.
> >> > Maybe having more eyes watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who
> >knows
> >> > any more.
> >> >
> >> > "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> > > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult
either,
> >> > since they
> >> > > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
> >> website
> >> > does
> >> > > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo
much
> >> > better. I
> >> > > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings.
What
> >is
> >> > different
> >> > > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
> >> differences.
> >> > Isn't
> >> > > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that
with
> >> the
> >> > > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
> >> system.
> >> > And
> >> > > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is
something
> >in
> >> my
> >> > head
> >> > > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to
pretty
> >> > much the
> >> > > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we
should
> >> stick
> >> > with.
> >> > > <G>
> >> > >
> >> > > Joyce
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> >> > <[email protected]>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
> >> journal
> >> > > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even
> >different
> >> > from
> >> > > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself
to
> >> get
> >> > the
> >> > > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I
worried
> >my
> >> > > >treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
> >> points
> >> > I
> >> > > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the
> >end
> >> of
> >> > > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does
not
> >> > support
> >> > > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
> >than
> >> > it
> >> > > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help
> >with
> >> > > >formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > > >news:[email protected]...
> >> > > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around
> >maintenance -
> >> > then
> >> > > >again,
> >> > > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing
> >that
> >> > > >there are
> >> > > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
> >> having
> >> > > >them
> >> > > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G>
I
> >> > think
> >> > > >I'm the
> >> > > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the
banking
> >> > system
> >> > > >works
> >> > > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get
off
> >> my
> >> > > >butt and
> >> > > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
> >> don't
> >> > > >mind using
> >> > > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would
allow
> >us
> >> > to
> >> > > >have a
> >> > > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Joyce
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> >> > > ><[email protected]>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people,
flex
> >> > works
> >> > > >even
> >> > > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> > > >> >message news:[email protected]...
> >> > > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> >> > > >incorporating
> >> > > >> >dining
> >> > > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just
an
> >> > > >adjusted
> >> > > >> >form of
> >> > > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the
> >flex
> >> > plan
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >work
> >> > > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that
is
> >> > > >refusing
> >> > > >> >to kick
> >> > > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too
> >little.
> >> > > >Having
> >> > > >> >that
> >> > > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
> >> doesn't
> >> > > >work
> >> > > >> >for me.
> >> > > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots
of
> >> > > >success!
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> Joyce
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura"
> ><[email protected]>
> >> > > >wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while
longer
> >but
> >> > not
> >> > > >as
> >> > > >> >low
> >> > > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24
and
> >> > switch
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >the
> >> > > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> >> > yesterday
> >> > > >was
> >> > > >> >18
> >> > > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before
bed.
> >> BUT
> >> > > >this
> >> > > >> >is
> >> > > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> >> > permitting)
> >> > > >is
> >> > > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover
> >that.
> >> > > >Eating
> >> > > >> >low
> >> > > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll
see
> >> how
> >> > > >long
> >> > > >> >this
> >> > > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does
> >not
> >> > seem
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >fit
> >> > > >> >> >my life style.
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> > > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks
like
> >the
> >> > fast
> >> > > >> >track
> >> > > >> >> >plan
> >> > > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
> >> sticking
> >> > > >with
> >> > > >> >it?
> >> > > >> >> >I
> >> > > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't
> >look
> >> > > >overly
> >> > > >> >> >close at it.
> >> > > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer
than
> >> > that,
> >> > > >you
> >> > > >> >> >could
> >> > > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range
> >where
> >> > your
> >> > > >> >body
> >> > > >> >> >requires
> >> > > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura.
And
> >> good
> >> > > >luck
> >> > > >> >> >this week!
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Joyce
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> >> > <[email protected]>
> >> > > >> >wrote:
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1
> >lbs.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started
> >the
> >> > week
> >> > > >out
> >> > > >> >> >good
> >> > > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did
not
> >> want
> >> > to
> >> > > >> >move
> >> > > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> >> > > >fluctuations
> >> > > >> >> >landed
> >> > > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at
Ruby
> >> > > >Tuesdays.
> >> > > >> >One
> >> > > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did
not.
> >> It
> >> > has
> >> > > >> >been
> >> > > >> >> >so
> >> > > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up
so
> >I
> >> > > >wanted
> >> > > >> >soup
> >> > > >> >> >to
> >> > > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
> >> loaded
> >> > up
> >> > > >on
> >> > > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
> >> cheese
> >> > for
> >> > > >> >> >protein.
> >> > > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of
chocolate
> >> > pudding.
> >> > > >> >> >Wouldn't
> >> > > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt
in
> >> the
> >> > > >soup.
> >> > > >> >I
> >> > > >> >> >was
> >> > > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug}
> >truly
> >> > helps
> >> > > >> >flush
> >> > > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following
the
> >> FT
> >> > > >except
> >> > > >> >on
> >> > > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to
> >find
> >> a
> >> > way
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat
low
> >> and
> >> > > >make
> >> > > >> >> >better
> >> > > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong
since
> >> > > >September
> >> > > >> >is
> >> > > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating
out
> >> 2-3
> >> > > >nights
> >> > > >> >a
> >> > > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I
don't
> >> know
> >> > > >> >exactly
> >> > > >> >> >how
> >> > > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points
> >those
> >> > > >meal.
> >> > > >> >> >Truth
> >> > > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over
those
> >> > weeks.
> >> > > >So
> >> > > >> >> >now I
> >> > > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat
out.
> >> This
> >> > is
> >> > > >> >how I
> >> > > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it
worked.
> >So
> >> > far
> >> > > >it
> >> > > >> >is
> >> > > >> >> >> >working again.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
 
I have been at Charlie Brown's and asked for 1 small scoop and I got it. I did not bother to check
the bill to see what they charged me for it. I didn't care. I just did not want the temptation of it
in front of me. I am a firm believer in "out of site, out of mind" when it comes to food.

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On the few rare occasions when I have had ice cream out, I have asked for half a scoop and the
> response has been that's not enough and I've had to emphasize that was all I wanted and I would
> pay for the larger quantity but did not want it in the cup or on the cone. Yup, portion control.
>
> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:54:32 GMT, "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Lesanne. I'm trying really hard. I did discover tonight what I thought was a 1/2 cup of
> >sherbet was the kiddie size and not the small as
we
> >have been getting. oops. When DH and DD went out to the ice cream store
(we
> >know the owner) I said "tell jane 1/2 cup serving". I was getting too
many
> >points for my dessert. oops. Portion control...portion control....
> >
> >"Lesanne" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> You are going to be doing great, says she who cannot do it without her meeting :):). .. ..
> >>
> >> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
> >> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> > Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
> >> Express
> >> > gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I
> >also
> >> > bought an exercise tape for days that I can't make it to curves plus
a
> >> > digital food scale to replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that
> >will
> >> > help things along.
> >> >
> >> > Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is
the
> >> > culprit. I need to treat those meals as replacement meals for those
had
> >at
> >> > home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think this summer when
we
> >> went
> >> > out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always
> >> > there keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to
> >> > stay OP. I will have
to
> >> work
> >> > on that one.
> >> >
> >> > The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of
> >having
> >> > the same things for breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and
another
> >> > brand of cereal for breakfast. For lunches this week it will be
> >different
> >> > everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll
add
> >> > sandwiches in every once in a while. I'll add a salad or
celery/carrot
> >> > sticks to the meal plus jello or yogart for dessert. Dinner has
always
> >> been
> >> > different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the
Flex
> >> > plan another try before switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll
make
> >it
> >> a
> >> > point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a
loss.
> >> > Maybe having more eyes watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who
> >knows
> >> > any more.
> >> >
> >> > "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> > > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult
either,
> >> > since they
> >> > > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
> >> website
> >> > does
> >> > > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo
much
> >> > better. I
> >> > > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings.
What
> >is
> >> > different
> >> > > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
> >> differences.
> >> > Isn't
> >> > > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that
with
> >> the
> >> > > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
> >> system.
> >> > And
> >> > > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is
something
> >in
> >> my
> >> > head
> >> > > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to
pretty
> >> > much the
> >> > > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we
should
> >> stick
> >> > with.
> >> > > <G>
> >> > >
> >> > > Joyce
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> >> > <[email protected]>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
> >> journal
> >> > > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even
> >different
> >> > from
> >> > > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself
to
> >> get
> >> > the
> >> > > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I
worried
> >my
> >> > > >treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
> >> points
> >> > I
> >> > > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the
> >end
> >> of
> >> > > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does
not
> >> > support
> >> > > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
> >than
> >> > it
> >> > > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help
> >with
> >> > > >formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > > >news:[email protected]...
> >> > > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around
> >maintenance -
> >> > then
> >> > > >again,
> >> > > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing
> >that
> >> > > >there are
> >> > > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
> >> having
> >> > > >them
> >> > > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G>
I
> >> > think
> >> > > >I'm the
> >> > > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the
banking
> >> > system
> >> > > >works
> >> > > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get
off
> >> my
> >> > > >butt and
> >> > > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
> >> don't
> >> > > >mind using
> >> > > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would
allow
> >us
> >> > to
> >> > > >have a
> >> > > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Joyce
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> >> > > ><[email protected]>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people,
flex
> >> > works
> >> > > >even
> >> > > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> > > >> >message news:[email protected]...
> >> > > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> >> > > >incorporating
> >> > > >> >dining
> >> > > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just
an
> >> > > >adjusted
> >> > > >> >form of
> >> > > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the
> >flex
> >> > plan
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >work
> >> > > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that
is
> >> > > >refusing
> >> > > >> >to kick
> >> > > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too
> >little.
> >> > > >Having
> >> > > >> >that
> >> > > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
> >> doesn't
> >> > > >work
> >> > > >> >for me.
> >> > > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots
of
> >> > > >success!
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> Joyce
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura"
> ><[email protected]>
> >> > > >wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while
longer
> >but
> >> > not
> >> > > >as
> >> > > >> >low
> >> > > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24
and
> >> > switch
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >the
> >> > > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> >> > yesterday
> >> > > >was
> >> > > >> >18
> >> > > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before
bed.
> >> BUT
> >> > > >this
> >> > > >> >is
> >> > > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> >> > permitting)
> >> > > >is
> >> > > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover
> >that.
> >> > > >Eating
> >> > > >> >low
> >> > > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll
see
> >> how
> >> > > >long
> >> > > >> >this
> >> > > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does
> >not
> >> > seem
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >fit
> >> > > >> >> >my life style.
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> > > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks
like
> >the
> >> > fast
> >> > > >> >track
> >> > > >> >> >plan
> >> > > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
> >> sticking
> >> > > >with
> >> > > >> >it?
> >> > > >> >> >I
> >> > > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't
> >look
> >> > > >overly
> >> > > >> >> >close at it.
> >> > > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer
than
> >> > that,
> >> > > >you
> >> > > >> >> >could
> >> > > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range
> >where
> >> > your
> >> > > >> >body
> >> > > >> >> >requires
> >> > > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura.
And
> >> good
> >> > > >luck
> >> > > >> >> >this week!
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Joyce
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> >> > <[email protected]>
> >> > > >> >wrote:
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1
> >lbs.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started
> >the
> >> > week
> >> > > >out
> >> > > >> >> >good
> >> > > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did
not
> >> want
> >> > to
> >> > > >> >move
> >> > > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> >> > > >fluctuations
> >> > > >> >> >landed
> >> > > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at
Ruby
> >> > > >Tuesdays.
> >> > > >> >One
> >> > > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did
not.
> >> It
> >> > has
> >> > > >> >been
> >> > > >> >> >so
> >> > > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up
so
> >I
> >> > > >wanted
> >> > > >> >soup
> >> > > >> >> >to
> >> > > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
> >> loaded
> >> > up
> >> > > >on
> >> > > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
> >> cheese
> >> > for
> >> > > >> >> >protein.
> >> > > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of
chocolate
> >> > pudding.
> >> > > >> >> >Wouldn't
> >> > > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt
in
> >> the
> >> > > >soup.
> >> > > >> >I
> >> > > >> >> >was
> >> > > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug}
> >truly
> >> > helps
> >> > > >> >flush
> >> > > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following
the
> >> FT
> >> > > >except
> >> > > >> >on
> >> > > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to
> >find
> >> a
> >> > way
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat
low
> >> and
> >> > > >make
> >> > > >> >> >better
> >> > > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong
since
> >> > > >September
> >> > > >> >is
> >> > > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating
out
> >> 2-3
> >> > > >nights
> >> > > >> >a
> >> > > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I
don't
> >> know
> >> > > >> >exactly
> >> > > >> >> >how
> >> > > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points
> >those
> >> > > >meal.
> >> > > >> >> >Truth
> >> > > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over
those
> >> > weeks.
> >> > > >So
> >> > > >> >> >now I
> >> > > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat
out.
> >> This
> >> > is
> >> > > >> >how I
> >> > > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it
worked.
> >So
> >> > far
> >> > > >it
> >> > > >> >is
> >> > > >> >> >> >working again.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
 
I too must have the meeting, Lee
Lesanne <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You are going to be doing great, says she who cannot do it without her meeting :):). .. ..
>
> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
> Express
> > gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I
also
> > bought an exercise tape for days that I can't make it to curves plus a digital food scale to
> > replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that
will
> > help things along.
> >
> > Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
> > those meals as replacement meals for those had
at
> > home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think this summer when we
> went
> > out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always there
> > keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to stay OP.
> > I will have to
> work
> > on that one.
> >
> > The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of
having
> > the same things for breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for
> > breakfast. For lunches this week it will be
different
> > everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll add sandwiches in every once
> > in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus jello or yogart for
> > dessert. Dinner has always
> been
> > different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the Flex plan another try before
> > switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make
it
> a
> > point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
> > watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who
knows
> > any more.
> >
> > "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
> > since they
> > > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
> website
> > does
> > > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
> > better. I
> > > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What
is
> > different
> > > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
> differences.
> > Isn't
> > > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
> the
> > > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
> system.
> > And
> > > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something
in
> my
> > head
> > > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
> > much the
> > > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
> stick
> > with.
> > > <G>
> > >
> > > Joyce
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
> journal
> > > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even
different
> > from
> > > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
> get
> > the
> > > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried
my
> > > >treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
> points
> > I
> > > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the
end
> of
> > > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
> > support
> > > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
than
> > it
> > > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help
with
> > > >formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[email protected]...
> > > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around
maintenance -
> > then
> > > >again,
> > > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing
that
> > > >there are
> > > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
> having
> > > >them
> > > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
> > think
> > > >I'm the
> > > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
> > system
> > > >works
> > > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
> my
> > > >butt and
> > > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
> don't
> > > >mind using
> > > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow
us
> > to
> > > >have a
> > > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> > > >>
> > > >> Joyce
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > > ><[email protected]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
> > works
> > > >even
> > > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > >> >message news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> > > >incorporating
> > > >> >dining
> > > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> > > >adjusted
> > > >> >form of
> > > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the
flex
> > plan
> > > >to
> > > >> >work
> > > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> > > >refusing
> > > >> >to kick
> > > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too
little.
> > > >Having
> > > >> >that
> > > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
> doesn't
> > > >work
> > > >> >for me.
> > > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> > > >success!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Joyce
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura"
<[email protected]>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer
but
> > not
> > > >as
> > > >> >low
> > > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
> > switch
> > > >to
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> > yesterday
> > > >was
> > > >> >18
> > > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
> BUT
> > > >this
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> > permitting)
> > > >is
> > > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover
that.
> > > >Eating
> > > >> >low
> > > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
> how
> > > >long
> > > >> >this
> > > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does
not
> > seem
> > > >to
> > > >> >fit
> > > >> >> >my life style.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like
the
> > fast
> > > >> >track
> > > >> >> >plan
> > > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
> sticking
> > > >with
> > > >> >it?
> > > >> >> >I
> > > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't
look
> > > >overly
> > > >> >> >close at it.
> > > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
> > that,
> > > >you
> > > >> >> >could
> > > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range
where
> > your
> > > >> >body
> > > >> >> >requires
> > > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
> good
> > > >luck
> > > >> >> >this week!
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Joyce
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> > <[email protected]>
> > > >> >wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1
lbs.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started
the
> > week
> > > >out
> > > >> >> >good
> > > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
> want
> > to
> > > >> >move
> > > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> > > >fluctuations
> > > >> >> >landed
> > > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> > > >Tuesdays.
> > > >> >One
> > > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
> It
> > has
> > > >> >been
> > > >> >> >so
> > > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so
I
> > > >wanted
> > > >> >soup
> > > >> >> >to
> > > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
> loaded
> > up
> > > >on
> > > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
> cheese
> > for
> > > >> >> >protein.
> > > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
> > pudding.
> > > >> >> >Wouldn't
> > > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
> the
> > > >soup.
> > > >> >I
> > > >> >> >was
> > > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug}
truly
> > helps
> > > >> >flush
> > > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
> FT
> > > >except
> > > >> >on
> > > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to
find
> a
> > way
> > > >to
> > > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
> and
> > > >make
> > > >> >> >better
> > > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> > > >September
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
> 2-3
> > > >nights
> > > >> >a
> > > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
> know
> > > >> >exactly
> > > >> >> >how
> > > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points
those
> > > >meal.
> > > >> >> >Truth
> > > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
> > weeks.
> > > >So
> > > >> >> >now I
> > > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
> This
> > is
> > > >> >how I
> > > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked.
So
> > far
> > > >it
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >> >working again.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
 
Thanks Lee. I am planning on doing that except for when I get the Applebee's LF meals. They are low
enough in points that I can eat the whole meal. Tonight will be Subway. Thank god I can order a 6"
sub and not worry about a ton of points.

"Miss Violette" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
berlin.de...
> I think you have made a great start. Let us know how it works. I admit I do eat out a bunch and
> the reason it works for me is that I try and keep
the
> same eating pattern. When I want something that comes in a huge portion I just get a to go box and
> put half in to start with so I am not tempted to "just finish it off"... Good luck, Lee Laura
> <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5xWSb.150671$6y6.2948083@bgtnsc05-
> news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Well I bit the bullet today and rejoined WW. Mom gave me a American
> Express
> > gift card for xmas so that's how I am going to spend a chunk of it. I
also
> > bought an exercise tape for days that I can't make it to curves plus a digital food scale to
> > replace my 20 year old manual scale. Maybe that
will
> > help things along.
> >
> > Based on my preliminary discussion with the leader my eating out is the culprit. I need to treat
> > those meals as replacement meals for those had
at
> > home. No splurging or over sized portions. I think this summer when we
> went
> > out I did better at portion control and choices because my mother and husband were always there
> > keeping my honest. Now I eat out with my <overweight> neighbor so it is a lot harder to stay OP.
> > I will have to
> work
> > on that one.
> >
> > The other thing I have been doing wrong is falling into the rut of
having
> > the same things for breakfast and lunch. So I bought waffles and another brand of cereal for
> > breakfast. For lunches this week it will be
different
> > everyday as I bought 5 Lean Cuisines that were on sale. Maybe I'll add sandwiches in every once
> > in a while. I'll add a salad or celery/carrot sticks to the meal plus jello or yogart for
> > dessert. Dinner has always
> been
> > different each night so that's not a problem. I'm going to give the Flex plan another try before
> > switching back to the old plan. Maybe I'll make
it
> a
> > point to have my leader check my journals each week I don't have a loss. Maybe having more eyes
> > watch what I am doing helped this summer. Who
knows
> > any more.
> >
> > "Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > I don't think the choice of journals would be overly difficult either,
> > since they
> > > have the older type journaling available for other countries. WW
> website
> > does
> > > need to get with things a bit. It's good, but could be soooooo much
> > better. I
> > > have never seen the paper journals handed out at the meetings. What
is
> > different
> > > about them? I would definitely be interested in hearing the
> differences.
> > Isn't
> > > it funny how people's minds work so differently? I've found that with
> the
> > > flexpoint system I actually eat less than I did when using the old
> system.
> > And
> > > eating less is not necessarily a good thing! I know it is something
in
> my
> > head
> > > about the possibility of overeating - yet the math works out to pretty
> > much the
> > > same. Oh well, whatever works for us individually is what we should
> stick
> > with.
> > > <G>
> > >
> > > Joyce
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I was actually wondering about that and when I was looking at the
> journal
> > > >one thing DH pointed out is that the on line journal is even
different
> > from
> > > >the paper one they give us at meetings. I hated depriving myself to
> get
> > the
> > > >extra I always felt anxiety about saving enough points and I worried
my
> > > >treat wouldn't work out so I would get gypped. Now with the flex
> points
> > I
> > > >can ignore them for the most part and if there are any left at the
end
> of
> > > >the week I can have a treat. I think it is a shame that WW does not
> > support
> > > >the other journal as well, but then the site could be so much more
than
> > it
> > > >is. I think they are in great need of a designer that could help
with
> > > >formatting and speech compatibility for sure. Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[email protected]...
> > > >> I'm still thinking the flex is difficult to work around
maintenance -
> > then
> > > >again,
> > > >> it's probably just something in my own head. Losing and knowing
that
> > > >there are
> > > >> extra points available is one thing ... trying to hold tight and
> having
> > > >them
> > > >> flaunting themselves in my face is something else entirely. <G> I
> > think
> > > >I'm the
> > > >> sort that has to have the incentive to *work* - hence the banking
> > system
> > > >works
> > > >> better for me. If I WANT to indulge, then I know I HAVE to get off
> my
> > > >butt and
> > > >> work for it - balance things out, give and take so to speak. I
> don't
> > > >mind using
> > > >> the old program at all, I only wish the online website would allow
us
> > to
> > > >have a
> > > >> choice of which journal to use, instead of forcing the issue.
> > > >>
> > > >> Joyce
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:46 -0600, "Miss Violette"
> > > ><[email protected]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >isn't it odd how different things work for different people, flex
> > works
> > > >even
> > > >> >better than the old one and that one worked fine, Lee Joyce <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > >> >message news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >> That sounds like a very reasonable plan, Laura. You're also
> > > >incorporating
> > > >> >dining
> > > >> >> out into the plan, which sounds to me like maybe this is just an
> > > >adjusted
> > > >> >form of
> > > >> >> the Wendy plan. So far I haven't really been able to get the
flex
> > plan
> > > >to
> > > >> >work
> > > >> >> very well for me ... probably just something in my head that is
> > > >refusing
> > > >> >to kick
> > > >> >> in. I tend to horde points on the flex plan, and eat too
little.
> > > >Having
> > > >> >that
> > > >> >> huge number looking at me all the time is just plain scary -
> doesn't
> > > >work
> > > >> >for me.
> > > >> >> So back to the old program for me also. I'm wishing you lots of
> > > >success!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Joyce
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:04 GMT, "Laura"
<[email protected]>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >It is a 2 week program. I'm going to do it for a while longer
but
> > not
> > > >as
> > > >> >low
> > > >> >> >as 20 points. I want to ease back to the old mininum of 24 and
> > switch
> > > >to
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >> >old plan. I tend to eat low by nature on days that I am OP.
> > yesterday
> > > >was
> > > >> >18
> > > >> >> >and that was only because I had a bag of soy crisps before bed.
> BUT
> > > >this
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >only to BANK for the days that I eat out. Tonight (weather
> > permitting)
> > > >is
> > > >> >> >Chinese buffet night. I need to have enough points to cover
that.
> > > >Eating
> > > >> >low
> > > >> >> >on all of the other days is what worked this summer. We'll see
> how
> > > >long
> > > >> >this
> > > >> >> >works for but it is worth a shot. The regular Flex plan does
not
> > seem
> > > >to
> > > >> >fit
> > > >> >> >my life style.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >"Joyce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >> >> >news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >> >> Way to go on the fantastic loss this week! Sure looks like
the
> > fast
> > > >> >track
> > > >> >> >plan
> > > >> >> >> worked very well for you. How long are you planning on
> sticking
> > > >with
> > > >> >it?
> > > >> >> >I
> > > >> >> >> thought it was only a 2 week program, but I really didn't
look
> > > >overly
> > > >> >> >close at it.
> > > >> >> >> My fear would be that if you stay on it for much longer than
> > that,
> > > >you
> > > >> >> >could
> > > >> >> >> possibly mess up your metabolism - if you are in a range
where
> > your
> > > >> >body
> > > >> >> >requires
> > > >> >> >> many more calories. Then again, what do I know! LOL
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Glad you are back on the losing end of the game, Laura. And
> good
> > > >luck
> > > >> >> >this week!
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Joyce
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:41:24 GMT, "Laura"
> > <[email protected]>
> > > >> >wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >RAFL wk 3: down 2.5 to 212.5. Total loss to date is 33.1
lbs.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >I decided to try the Fast Track plan this week. I started
the
> > week
> > > >out
> > > >> >> >good
> > > >> >> >> >and dropped the 2.5 lbs by Tuesday. Then the scale did not
> want
> > to
> > > >> >move
> > > >> >> >> >anymore. I did see 211.5 one day this week but the daily
> > > >fluctuations
> > > >> >> >landed
> > > >> >> >> >on 212.5. I OD'd on French Onion soup Friday night at Ruby
> > > >Tuesdays.
> > > >> >One
> > > >> >> >> >bowl did have the cheese & bread but the second one did not.
> It
> > has
> > > >> >been
> > > >> >> >so
> > > >> >> >> >cold and windy here lately with no sign of it letting up so
I
> > > >wanted
> > > >> >soup
> > > >> >> >to
> > > >> >> >> >warm me up. I had their soup and salad bar for dinner. I
> loaded
> > up
> > > >on
> > > >> >> >> >veggies and added 1/4 cupfuls of cheese, ham and cottage
> cheese
> > for
> > > >> >> >protein.
> > > >> >> >> >For dessert I had some fruit and a little bit of chocolate
> > pudding.
> > > >> >> >Wouldn't
> > > >> >> >> >you know it yesterday morning I was up 2lbs from the salt in
> the
> > > >soup.
> > > >> >I
> > > >> >> >was
> > > >> >> >> >so glad to see the 2lbs gone this morning. WATER {glug}
truly
> > helps
> > > >> >flush
> > > >> >> >> >the extra salt from our bodies.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >My game plan at this point is to continue with following the
> FT
> > > >except
> > > >> >on
> > > >> >> >> >days that I eat out. This is part of my WOL so I need to
find
> a
> > way
> > > >to
> > > >> >> >> >properly incorporate it into my eating. So...I will eat low
> and
> > > >make
> > > >> >> >better
> > > >> >> >> >choices when I eat out. I think what I was doing wrong since
> > > >September
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >> >eating my target & Activity points each day plus eating out
> 2-3
> > > >nights
> > > >> >a
> > > >> >> >> >week. I'm not very good at calculating points when I don't
> know
> > > >> >exactly
> > > >> >> >how
> > > >> >> >> >they made a dish so I probably under estimated my points
those
> > > >meal.
> > > >> >> >Truth
> > > >> >> >> >be told, I probably ate my Flexpoints a few times over those
> > weeks.
> > > >So
> > > >> >> >now I
> > > >> >> >> >am back to eating low to bank for the times that I eat out.
> This
> > is
> > > >> >how I
> > > >> >> >> >was doing it last summer at my mothers house and it worked.
So
> > far
> > > >it
> > > >> >is
> > > >> >> >> >working again.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Inches: 2.75" (total)
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >THTP wk 7: 4 Curves sessions
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
 
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