Re: Ace down

The Older Gentleman said:

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I also like the congestion charge,

Except that it's now metamorphosing into an emissions charge, and then
bikes won't be exempt any more.

Colour me surprised. I guess they'll also find that your average bike
may kick out more in the way of emissions than a cat'd car so they can
bump up the charge for those nasty bikers that dare not filling Ken's
coffers.

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Response to The Older Gentleman:

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Well, well, a whingeing troll. And whose problem is that, exactly? :-D

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The Older Gentleman said:

Quoted message said:

I also *like* the congestion charge,

Except that it's now metamorphosing into an emissions charge, and then
bikes won't be exempt any more.

Might as well charge cyclists, as well, in view of the amount they fart.
All that microbiotic 'healthy' muesli. Make the buggers have compulsory
insurance, too - at least that's on the horizon, too.

The problem with farting is that it the gasses contain methane, a far
more powerful greenhouse gas than mere carbon dioxide.

i forget how many tons of methane are farted by cows, but it is a
significant amount; perhaps dairy farmers ought to pay an emissions
tax too.

So to level the playing field, perhaps cyclists should be taxed at a
higher rate than vehicles.....;-)

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:20:56 +0100, Kim Bolton <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The Older Gentleman said:

Quoted message said:

I also *like* the congestion charge,

Except that it's now metamorphosing into an emissions charge, and then
bikes won't be exempt any more.

Might as well charge cyclists, as well, in view of the amount they fart.
All that microbiotic 'healthy' muesli. Make the buggers have compulsory
insurance, too - at least that's on the horizon, too.

The problem with farting is that it the gasses contain methane, a far
more powerful greenhouse gas than mere carbon dioxide.

i forget how many tons of methane are farted by cows, but it is a
significant amount; perhaps dairy farmers ought to pay an emissions
tax too.

"...an average cow in a barn produce 542 liters of methane a day, and
600 liters when out in a field (Adam, 2000).

These estimates were made using a trace gas (sulphur hexofluoride)
that was released at known points within a barn containing 90 cattle.
Levels of this trace gas and CO2 are then measured 30 metres downwind
of the shed and thus they can estimate how much CO2 is released per
cow per day. All this methane can add up to a significant amount.
Australia's 140 million sheep and cattle are estimated to produce one
seventh of the nation's total greenhouse gas emissions"

Source: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~wolfman/Essays/Cow.html
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The Older Gentleman said:

Quoted message said:

I also *like* the congestion charge,

Except that it's now metamorphosing into an emissions charge, and then
bikes won't be exempt any more.

Might as well charge cyclists, as well, in view of the amount they fart.
All that microbiotic 'healthy' muesli. Make the buggers have compulsory
insurance, too - at least that's on the horizon, too.

Bored, are you? 🙂

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The Older Gentleman said:

Quoted message said:

I also *like* the congestion charge,

Except that it's now metamorphosing into an emissions charge, and then
bikes won't be exempt any more.

Errm, I think you will find the low emissions zone will apply to
trucks and buses. There's nothing like letting a good moan get in the
way of facts is there?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/low-emission-zone/proposal.asp
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:20:56 +0100, Kim Bolton <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The Older Gentleman said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:

> I also *like* the congestion charge,

Except that it's now metamorphosing into an emissions charge, and then
bikes won't be exempt any more.

Might as well charge cyclists, as well, in view of the amount they fart.
All that microbiotic 'healthy' muesli. Make the buggers have compulsory
insurance, too - at least that's on the horizon, too.

The problem with farting is that it the gasses contain methane, a far
more powerful greenhouse gas than mere carbon dioxide.

i forget how many tons of methane are farted by cows, but it is a
significant amount; perhaps dairy farmers ought to pay an emissions
tax too.

"...an average cow in a barn produce 542 liters of methane a day, and
600 liters when out in a field (Adam, 2000).

These estimates were made using a trace gas (sulphur hexofluoride)
that was released at known points within a barn containing 90 cattle.
Levels of this trace gas and CO2 are then measured 30 metres downwind
of the shed and thus they can estimate how much CO2 is released per
cow per day. All this methane can add up to a significant amount.
Australia's 140 million sheep and cattle are estimated to produce one
seventh of the nation's total greenhouse gas emissions"

Source: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~wolfman/Essays/Cow.html

Were they igniting the farts to produce the CO2 then? Methane is CH4. Of
course, the cows also produce CO2 during respiration so perhaps your quote
refers to this?

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Phil Cook said:

Errm, I think you will find the low emissions zone will apply to
trucks and buses. There's nothing like letting a good moan get in the
way of facts is there?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/low-emission-zone/proposal.asp

I wasn't thinking of that.

"The £8-a-day congestion charge in London is to rise to £25 for cars
such as 4x4s - "Chelsea tractors" - that emit high levels of carbon
dioxide.

Ken Livingstone, the mayor, said yesterday that the proposed rise would
apply to vehicles in Band G, the top road tax rate. It would be "a
painful regime" aimed at tackling "catastrophic climate change".

The £25 charge would apply to vehicles which emit 374 grams of carbon
dioxide per kilometre

Mr Livingstone wants to introduce the new charge by 2009. If successful,
a London-wide emissions charge could come in by 2012.
When changes to Band G were announced in Gordon Brown's March Budget, it
became clear that it covered more than 800 models, including ordinary
family estates, as well as bankers' limousines and "Chelsea tractors".
It applies to any vehicle that puts out more than 225 grams of carbon
dioxide per kilometre. The £25 charge would apply to vehicles such as
the Range Rover Sport, which emit 374 grams per kilometre, as well as
the Ford Mondeo 16V auto, which emits 227."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=S0ZQSVIQ3VLRDQFIQM
GCFGGAVCBQUIV0?menuId=1570&menuItemId=-1&view=SUMMARY&grid=P9&targetRule
=15

Feeling silly now, are we?

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catman said:

Bored, are you? 🙂

Nah. Just [censored] because I encountered another dippy cyclist coming
the wrong way round a blind bend on a one-way lane I take to get home.

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The Older Gentleman said:

catman said:

Bored, are you? 🙂

Nah. Just [censored] because I encountered another dippy cyclist coming
the wrong way round a blind bend on a one-way lane I take to get home.

Did he live?

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:11:25 GMT, wessie <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"...an average cow in a barn produce 542 liters of methane a day, and
600 liters when out in a field (Adam, 2000).

These estimates were made using a trace gas (sulphur hexofluoride)
that was released at known points within a barn containing 90 cattle.
Levels of this trace gas and CO2 are then measured 30 metres downwind
of the shed and thus they can estimate how much CO2 is released per
cow per day. All this methane can add up to a significant amount.
Australia's 140 million sheep and cattle are estimated to produce one
seventh of the nation's total greenhouse gas emissions"

Source: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~wolfman/Essays/Cow.html

Were they igniting the farts to produce the CO2 then? Methane is CH4. Of
course, the cows also produce CO2 during respiration so perhaps your quote
refers to this?

I'm not qualified to make that judgement. If I was I wouldn't be a
travel agent and I would be in Australia measuring methane cow guffs.
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The Older Gentleman said:

Phil Cook said:

Errm, I think you will find the low emissions zone will apply to
trucks and buses. There's nothing like letting a good moan get in the
way of facts is there?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/low-emission-zone/proposal.asp

I wasn't thinking of that.

"The £8-a-day congestion charge in London is to rise to £25 for cars
such as 4x4s - "Chelsea tractors" - that emit high levels of carbon
dioxide.

Ken Livingstone, the mayor, said yesterday that the proposed rise would
apply to vehicles in Band G, the top road tax rate. It would be "a
painful regime" aimed at tackling "catastrophic climate change".

The £25 charge would apply to vehicles which emit 374 grams of carbon
dioxide per kilometre

Quoted message said:

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=S0ZQSVIQ3VLRDQFIQMGCFGGAVCBQUIV0?menuId=1570&menuItemId=-1&view=SUMMARY&grid=P9&targetRule=15)

I think the Telegraph requires registration.

Quoted message said:

Feeling silly now, are we?

If you had said that in the first place we'd have known what you were
thinking, we're not mindreaders you know. And it doesn't say anything
about motorbikes, or ancient ice cream vans - you should have seen and
smelt the muck one of those was putting out as I followed it on my way
home yesterday.
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Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I think the Telegraph requires registration.

Didn't for me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Feeling silly now, are we?

If you had said that in the first place we'd have known what you were
thinking, we're not mindreaders you know.

Ah, that old excuse to cover the "I jumped to conclusions" error. :-))

Hard to see how I could have made it any plainer, actually. Congestion
charge changing into emissions charge was what I said.

Quoted message said:

And it doesn't say anything
about motorbikes,

So it doesn't require registration to read it, then?

Quoted message said:

or ancient ice cream vans - you should have seen and
smelt the muck one of those was putting out as I followed it on my way
home yesterday.

Yeah, 99 Flakes damage the ozone layer something chronic.

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Quoted message said:

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or ancient ice cream vans - you should have seen and
smelt the muck one of those was putting out as I followed it on my way
home yesterday.

Yeah, 99 Flakes damage the ozone layer something chronic.

I think it's more to do with, "When did you last see a *new* ice cream
van?". Every one I ever see looks like it was on it's last legs 20 years
ago!

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Dan White said:

"The Older Gentleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or ancient ice cream vans - you should have seen and
smelt the muck one of those was putting out as I followed it on my way
home yesterday.

Yeah, 99 Flakes damage the ozone layer something chronic.

I think it's more to do with, "When did you last see a *new* ice cream
van?". Every one I ever see looks like it was on it's last legs 20 years
ago!

That's true, isn't it? They're all ancient Bedford or Commer things.

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The Older Gentleman said:

Dan White said:

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Quoted message said:

>or ancient ice cream vans - you should have seen and
>smelt the muck one of those was putting out as I followed it on my way
>home yesterday.

Yeah, 99 Flakes damage the ozone layer something chronic.

I think it's more to do with, "When did you last see a *new* ice cream
van?". Every one I ever see looks like it was on it's last legs 20 years
ago!

That's true, isn't it? They're all ancient Bedford or Commer things.

New ones are bloody expensive. £40k IIRC

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catman said:

The Older Gentleman said:

Dan White said:

"The Older Gentleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>or ancient ice cream vans - you should have seen and
>>smelt the muck one of those was putting out as I followed it on my way
>>home yesterday.
>
>Yeah, 99 Flakes damage the ozone layer something chronic.

I think it's more to do with, "When did you last see a *new* ice cream
van?". Every one I ever see looks like it was on it's last legs 20 years
ago!

That's true, isn't it? They're all ancient Bedford or Commer things.

New ones are bloody expensive. £40k IIRC

Strewth.

Mind you, I've seen those little Piaggio Ape 50cc trikes, kitted out for
coffee making, offered for £6k.

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Dan White wrote on 28/08/2006 14:23:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, 99 Flakes damage the ozone layer something chronic.

I think it's more to do with, "When did you last see a *new* ice cream
van?". Every one I ever see looks like it was on it's last legs 20 years
ago!

There was an 06 plated one in the car park by the castle in Caernarfon
last Thursday... I remember noticing it and thinking it was suitably
spangly. Prices were no different to normal though...!

Peter

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The Older Gentleman said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I think it's more to do with, "When did you last see a *new* ice cream
>van?". Every one I ever see looks like it was on it's last legs 20 years
>ago!

New ones are bloody expensive. £40k IIRC

Strewth.

Mind you, I've seen those little Piaggio Ape 50cc trikes, kitted out for
coffee making, offered for £6k.

They are double that new, and there's one on ebay at the moment for £20k (but it
does have a pitch).

John B